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You should probably wait for FlyJack to tell you all about it, but if I may be so bold to offer something, this is what Tina had to say about why she never saw him head on. It is odd though because did she not see his face when she was bringing the chutes and money on? Or what about when she joked about having some of the money and he handed her a bundle?

I've contributed more to the average person's understanding of this case than anything you've ever done, which is apparently just arguing with people non-stop on a message board. I also managed to remove all uses of the word "wilderness" from the wiki page except for Larry Carr's nonsense...but I'm working on getting that expunged. So now when someone visits the Wiki page, which is the first thing any lay person does when they have an interest in the case, they will see in the header that Cooper "parachuted into the night over southwestern Washington" when in the previous FIVE years it said "parachuted into the remote wilderness of Washington". I've also successfully added a counter argument on the wiki page to all of the FBI's nonsense about Cooper dying or having a dummy chute. I added the entire section on there about the sketches, which the lay person is constantly confused by. They even had him sitting on the wrong side of the plane before I took over! That complete misinformation has been read by millions and millions of people. That might not be as cool as arguing with strangers online or hoarding "80%" of my research, but it is far more impactful for the public and to me there is nothing greater than being able to impact public perception of this case. My contributions have reached millions. And ya, I already know what you're going to say in rebuttal, so you can save your fingers from typing the insults and diminishing my contributions i.e. " I don't care what the public thinks or what they read on the stupid Wiki, I just care about the research" yada yada.

Good enough to be the first person in the Vortex to find out that her name is Alyce Gorley Hancock and not Alice Garley Hancock. Good enough researcher to be the first to find the other Dan Cooper action hero. Good enough researcher to have seized control of the Wiki from the idiots and to have added over 100 references to the 302's on the Wiki page and adding this particular paragraph I wrote to the page, which should please you thoroughly: The FBI relied heavily on the testimony of University of Oregon student Bill Mitchell, who sat across from Cooper during the three hours between take off in Portland and landing in Seattle, repeatedly interviewing him for what would become known as Composite Sketch B.[167] His descriptions of Cooper were mostly the same as those of the flight attendants, except that he described Cooper as being somewhat smaller, stating that he thought Cooper was 5 feet 9 inches (1.75 m) to 5 feet 10 inches (1.78 m) and that at 6 feet 2 inches (1.88 m) he was "way bigger" than Cooper and even referring to him as "slight".[168][169] Robert Gregory, one of the only other passengers besides Mitchell who provided the FBI with a full description of Cooper, also provided a shorter impression of Cooper, describing him as 5 feet 9 inches (1.75 m). Gregory stated that he believed Cooper to be of Mexican-American or American Indian descent.[170]

lol, you'd think I just said something about your mother. Get a grip. It's fine.

Well dang, if he had only pointed a gun at her like the little Honduran nutcase did to his stewardesses, then maybe she'd have seen his face better. Congrats on winning the internet today!

"not a good lawyer". Sounds like a personal attack you hit me with first. I've been a member here for seven years following this thread and have been reading you stump for this little Honduran nutcase for about 3 years now with confirmation bias rivaling the Rackstraw idiots. Was also there when you ran yourself off Shutter's page like 5 years ago. I'm not a newb. Dude hijacks a plane at his local airport (yet for NORJAK he hijacks a plane on the other side of the country). Dude is pointing his pistol at passengers and is shoving a pistol in passengers guts and telling them he'd blow their heads off. Dude is pacing up and down the aisles with his pistol and described as "edgy" and "nervous." Dude made them turn the plane around because he wasn't satisfied with his ransom being in $100's, he wanted $500's and $1,000's. Dude asked for two jump suits and multiple (plural) helmets. Dude put a noose around the Captain's neck when they change airplanes. Yes, that's Cooper...

you're neurotic. Stick to finding musical instruments. Cooper wasn't a 5'8 Honduran with glasses.

HAHAHA. No one is believing your explanation. It's ok to be wrong sometimes dude. "Some of the stews" clearly implies MORE than ONE i.e. MULTIPLE.

Like you stating that multiple stews never saw him head on?

So you're saying that when Flo was lifting the money bag at Cooper's request to feel how heavy it was she didn't get a straight on view of him? Or when he was ordering his drink? Or when he turned around as she sat in the jump seat and spoke to her? Or when she went to the back to get her purse? Or when she was talking to him about destinations they might be going to? Or that Alice didn't see him straight on when she walked over to him and asked him about the parachute? Or when Alice asked him if they could leave? And neither Alice and Flo got a good look at him when he tried to give them tips out of his own wallet? Tina is the one who said she never saw him straight on which sounds impossible given her interactions with him on the ground in Seattle. I don't really believe Tina when she says that. If you read through her 302's regarding the sketches she clearly doesn't want to participate. So her stating that she never got a good look at him sounds like she just wants to not be bothered anymore. I'm going to stick with witness descriptions from people who actually interacted with the man and spoke with him over a guy who says he only got a few looks over his shoulder at him and once when he went to take a piss.

It means he's making crap up. He implies that the stew sitting next to Cooper said this to him. Why would a stew (presumably Tina) say something like that to a passenger? It would have only served to alert a passenger that something was wrong. I call BS on that happening. That's fine if you want to put a lot of stock into his testimony, but let's not forget that he also pegged Cooper at 35 and during his work on the sketches he described him as having greasy hair like Nixon and none of that is describing Hahneman (if that's who you think still did this)

I’m also not sure why any Cooperite would give any credibility to anything Gregory says. His testimony is so full of factual errors he may as well have been drunk on the plane and may as well he describing a different person altogether. - says he was closest person to Cooper other than the stewardess - says dark haired stew sat by Cooper the whole time - says Stew told him not to look at Cooper - says he sat in Row 18 I don’t doubt that Cooper was swarthy (the term “olive” comes up several times in eyewitness statements), but the person who spent the most time around him didn’t say anything about him being a Mexican or Latino nor did Mitchell.

So why didn’t he wait til closer to Reno to jump?

U.S Currency is very law "enforcementy". I see it quite often. This is from a current client of mine's indictment:

You'll need to explain to me how you reached this conclusion. I understand the whole "go to Mexico City or anywhere in Mexico" bit. But to go from "I legitimately want to go to Mexico City" to "I'm going to jump out of this aircraft north of Portland" seems quite incongruent.

Here's one issue I've got with it. There's no indication that he said anything about "American/U.S. currency" to Flo. She just wrote down what he said, which was "$200,000 in cash", and walked it to the cockpit. So to go from "$200,000 in cash" to "American/U.S. currency" means that at some point Cooper must have turned to Tina and said something like "oh I forgot to mention that I want this money in circulated U.S. currency, call up to the cockpit and tell them that." Did that happen? Maybe. Maybe not. As an attorney I'm pretty good at arguing both sides of an argument. I could easily argue FlyJack's side on this as well. This isn't an opinion I'm married to. It just seems like an odd thing to say. Seems to me that there would be no need to specify the nationality of the currency unless you were asking for something different from the country you are in i.e. the scenario of a Cuban hijacking an American plane in American airspace and asking for pesos. It seems like an unnecessary qualifier for Cooper to make and to me almost sounds like Rat being ultra-specific. I think anyone who has seen Rat interviewed could see him doing that.

This deserves a deep dive. ATC logs 3:07: "wants money in negotiable American currency, denomination of bills not important." Crew notes written by Flo: Page 1: "man with briefcase with a bomb - request $200,000 by 1700" (no qualifier) Page 4: "wants money in negotiable currency." (perhaps just writing down what she heard Bill say) Page 5: "he request fuel truck, $200,000" (no qualifier) Flo's 11/24/71 statement: "She said that the man dictated the following request to her: "I want $200,000 by 5:00 PM in cash." Tina 11/24/71: 1) "The note further indicated that he had a bomb and wanted $200,000.00" (no qualifier) 2) Schaffner at that time on a plain envelope wrote out the demands of the hijacker, listening that he wanted four parachutes including two back packs and two chest packs, $200,000 in cash in small bills and he wanted this all by five o'clock." Alice 11/24/71: "She stated that the hijacker handed another stewardess on board the flight by the name of Florence a ransom note demanding $200,000 in cash." Rataczak 11/24/71: "Hostess Florence Schaffner brought a note on what appeared to be a standard 6 x 9 tablet written with a felt pen as well as an envelope that had notations also containing the figure $200,000." (no qualifier) Tina 12/1/71: "He later told Tina that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency." My take: I found many different instances in the 302's where the phrase "U.S. currency" was used by the FBI to describe money they found in a car or seized as evidence in a case or money they were sending for lab tests. There is a possibility that the "U.S. currency" used in the 302 of Tina's 12/1/71 is just FBI lingo. Given the number of hijackings that were occurring in the previous few years where hijackers were wanting to be taken overseas, perhaps Bill was just being specific when he said "American currency". All indications are that the ransom note simply said "$200,000 in cash". Seeing the term "cash" on the note, I think it's possible that Bill understood that he was dealing with someone who wanted dollars and not Cuban pesos or whatever. Personally I think there is too much variation in terminology to determine what Cooper actually said. The only agreement at all between any of these statements is that the note apparently said "$200,000 in cash". To me it's akin to people wanting to claim he was a pilot or flight attendant because the term "crew meals" appears in the 302's. Bill also uses the term "meals" in the ATC transcript.

He's literally the worst suspect that has ever been given a shred of publicity.

Why the hell would a 22 year old stewardess give a crap about what exit he jumped out of? When did this conversation take place? There is not a single shred of evidence anywhere that this conversation occurred. You don't get to just make stuff up. While they were on the ground in Seattle and after Flo and Alice left, Cooper and Tina had a conversation about the Beatles while they smoked a joint together. He asked her who her favorite Beatle was. She said she liked George because he was the quiet one and all the other girls loved Paul and John. Cooper said he was more a Rolling Stones guy. Don't ask me where I learned about this conversation, but it totally, totally happened.

Cooper McCoy McNally LaPoint Hahneman Heady - The sled tests in January 72 - Boeing did multiple tests with the stairs down in 1963 and 1964 - Air America did it many times in SE Asia (sometimes stairs were removed, sometimes not) in the late 60's and early 70's - The last American plane out of Da Nang in 1975 was a 727 and it took off with the aft stairs down and about six people clinging onto it. They fell to their deaths eventually. There is a YouTube video of this from inside the plane. - When filming "Pursuit of D.B. Cooper" they filmed at least one or two jumps from the aft stairs.

I highly doubt that. There wouldn’t be any need to go to that much effort. You’d just have an Air Force crewman back there to lower and raise the rear stairs.

Why did the FBI release his sketch with sunglasses off if so many had seen him with them on?

He wasn't wearing them in the airport nor when he boarded the plane. Also, according to Schaffner's testimony, he wasn't wearing them the whole time when they were on the ground in Seattle. It sounds like he took them off for a while once the passengers left. Schaffner makes reference to him putting the sunglasses (back) on during her conversation with Cooper when she was asking if she could leave the plane.

Tina said "brown ankle length pebble grained shoes, not tie type shoes" He was likely wearing something like this, which is a 1971 Allen Edmonds slip-on

Cooper also brainfarted and thought a 727 could act like a C-130 because he told Tina that the pilots could lower the stairs from the cockpit once they were airborne. C-130's could drop their rear hatch from the cockpit but obviously 727's could not. Throw in the fact that he had to be shown how to actually lower the stairs and that tells me that he had an intellectual knowledge of aircraft but not a practical knowledge of them.