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The Facebook Group is essentially the only place (aside from a few random things on the DZ) where actual Cooper research is being posted and discussed.

I honestly can’t believe how anyone could possibly think that “bank type bands” means rubber bands.

…………nice work!

Possibly, but I think it still fits within the parameter of a single bundle being there, especially as they were described by Grinnell: 5 packet bundles. Ingram's found 3 packets. It's possible that these fragments and clumps were from the other two packets with that bundle.

I'm with you. Concrete evidence that there was more than $5800 found would be pretty damn important.

Couple of articles mention finding additional fragments/money

The Tena Bar 302's are virtually unusable they are so redacted. Here are all the ones I've been able to collect in the Vault. Might be missing one or two. TenaBar302s.pdf

Thanks for pointing this out to him. I’m sure he’s never seen those transcripts before. they’re on my website too. https://norjak.org/files/

Agreed. I doubt he offered Tina a full bundle. Probably pulled a packet or two out of a bundle and handed that to her.

Again, Grinnell has offered a possible explanation of 3 packet bundles existing. But I’ll let Chaucer explain that.

Chaucer has had multiple interviews with Grinnell now and has some thoughts about the randomized bundles. I’ll let him tell it since it’s his research. Grinnell will be at CC this year.

The Cooper money looked exactly like this according to multiple conversations with Bill Grinnell. 5 packet bundles.

Cini's ransom

And I continue to be amazed how a pilot like yourself somehow thinks the most watched aircraft on Earth on Nov 24, 1971 was actually 10 miles away from where every shred of evidence available places it.

I'm unclear how any actual research on the topic could lead you or anyone to conclude that no one jumped off the plane.

Mac tried to order 100 copies in bulk and asked for a discounted rate and the publishing company refused, haha.

I’m not saying he didn’t say it, per se, just that he probably said it to the other guys (and gal) in the cockpit…or he said it to dead air.

Yes I’m aware he has said it other times. But who did he allegedly say this to? ATC? Why would he have something like that to them? Read the transcripts. He never says anything to ATC other than boring routine technical stuff.

Yes I’m very much aware of what Rat CLAIMED he said, haha.

I'm not sure what Fly believes about it, but I don't believe Rat made that quote. He essentially tells the FBI that he regrets not doing so. If Rat actually said something about the pressure bump, he said it to the rest of the crew, not over the air.

How many times does this have to be spelled out for you? The redactions are about OTHER AIRCRAFT.

Mac had goggles and was able to see forward. I specifically asked him about this point. He said he looked all around him including forward.

My belief is that Cooper was winging his drop zone. Having spoken extensively to an individual who in fact winged his own DZ (McNally), I think it makes perfect sense for Cooper to have jumped in the Battle Ground to Orchards area. It’s a sweet spot. He’s close enough to civilization to make an easy escape but not so close that he risks landing on top of a police car. Despite it being cloudy, Cooper would have been able to see that blob of light in the distance and would have known that was Portland/Vancouver. From speaking to Jim McClellan recently (pilot of the infamous “light aircraft”), he said that, in general, the combined glow would have started to be visible from 10,000 feet in cloudy conditions roughly around the Battle Ground area. He also indicated that La Center gave off no light footprint whatsoever through the clouds. He said flying over La Center back then above the clouds was just darkness beneath you. He said BG and Orchards would have given off enough light to penetrate the clouds in those days. So if Cooper jumps as soon as he sees Portland lights and with some lights beneath him (so he knows he isn’t jumping into a lake or super heavy woods) then BG to Orchards is really ideal and fits with what I was told by a pilot who flew every day in that area. According to McClellan, Cooper would have been jumping totally blind to what was beneath him if he jumped near the Lewis River, plus that was too early to have seen lights of Portland from 10,000 feet in the clouds. I believe Cooper first starts going down the stairs just based off of dead reckoning. He knows that they must be approaching Portland by that time.

Put not Portland ATC? I suppose the controller who told the FBI that 305 was about a mile east of the center line of V-23 as it approached Portland was just full of crap.

So much of this depends on whether he had an accomplice or not. If he had an accomplice waiting for him in the Portland area he'd just need to stash the loot and get to a phone somehow. If he was solo he'd need to get back to his vehicle somehow (assuming he didn't fly into Portland).