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It's still a hell of an outlier. 5'8 for Cooper seems unlikely.

Yes, I prefer actual data.

I'm not completely convinced Gregory was in 17 (more likely Spreckel was in 17C or 16C) for the same reason you are saying. If Gregory didn't move up when the passengers asked, then he's not in 16 either. It appears that everyone behind row 14 was asked to move up if Flo went and stood at row 15. They said they moved the closest four rows up. So he's not in 17 or 16, and we know for damn sure he wasn't in 18. So the closest he was sitting is row 15. Nevertheless, what other "elderly" man was sitting anywhere near Bill? And perhaps he was no longer drunk by the time they landed. Saying he had to go pee isn't evidence that he was still drunk. If it wasn't for Bill saying "elderly", I might still stick with Labisonniere. His 302 sounds a bit more drunk and off than Gregory's. And it's only "wild speculation" when you disagree with it. It's deduction. Wild speculation is inventing out of whole cloth a Cossey statement to the FBI that never happened because you want your own invented narrative on something to work.

Seems like Tina would have mentioned him taking his overcoat off if he did. But maybe not. I guess if you are sitting a certain way it would expose the lapels, particularly if you are slouching. Odd that Gregory doesn't mention the overcoat though.

My question would be this: How was Gregory able to see how wide the lapels of his suit jacket were whilst Cooper was wearing an overcoat? And Gregory doesn't even mention an overcoat, yet seemingly goes into great detail about Cooper's clothing. So I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

FWIW, I've ID'd everyone in this photo for my book. Some mistakes in that one that you posted.

Bill would have probably seen it first. In his 302 he makes reference to seeing it. He was moved up to the front by the time Nancy saw Cooper coming out of the lav. Unclear when Tina would have seen it first, but it shows up near the end of her 302, so possibly she didn’t see it til later on. No one else is recorded seeing it other than those three.

yes, this is just so basic. It's apples to oranges. The Boeing test is not really relevant. Hell, I think the only reason the Boeing test is even in the FBI files at all is because they did a cursory investigation of all of the participants.

What in the world….Come on, Doc! https://x.com/drbobedwards1/status/1891967792745795974?s=46&t=v6IVB5UOGWvDOSAlnUpnxQ

You're projecting. You know that your research is agenda driven for the purpose of confirming your Hahneman stuff, so you assume everyone else must be using the same approach. It's the same reason your "joke" about the 1 inch high hair wasn't a joke. You were trying to come up with a way to make Hahneman seem taller to fit better with the height description. I don't have a "bizarre fixation" about Comp A. I don't need to have a suspect to use simple logic. When all of our main witnesses have little problem with it just three days later, then why SHOULD I have a problem with it? I wasn't there. I never saw Cooper. They did. Besides, I still maintain that Cooper was probably somewhere in the middle of Bing and Cary since the main witnesses seemed to like both. Claiming I have a bizarre fixation on it is totally false. If someone asked you to describe someone you had light interaction with three days ago or someone you had light interaction with 9 months ago, your recall three days later will be better than 9 months later. It's really not complicated.

So you think that was a joke...a guy who has never made a joke on this forum makes a "joke" and when he's called out on it he doesn't immediately mention that it was a joke, he'd rather everyone think he was an idiot and then runs off for almost a month. C'mon, be honest. You can't possibly think that was a joke based off his reaction to that.

A joke? Literally NO ONE here will believe that. You don't make jokes. You're the least affable person in the history of the Vortex. You are devoid of humor on this website. If it was a joke you'd have said that at the time instead of not even responding and exiling yourself for three weeks. Again, debate tactics of an eight year old. Children get called out and embarrassed for saying something stupid and instead of being mature enough to laugh it off or admit to being wrong, they claim they were just joking as a way to save face.

I repeat: your suspect is WILLIAM FREDERICK HAHNEMAN. You have devoted an enormous amount of time investing in one of the most obviously terrible suspects ever in the Vortex. You are the rank amateur here. If you gathered the top 100 people who studied this case and asked them if he's a good suspect, you're the only who would say yes. He's a joke to literally everyone else. When you're the ONLY person who thinks something, it's not because you're the smartest guy in the room, it's because you're wrong. This is like Ulis and his WFP nonsense. No one believes it and it's not because you guys are right. And yes, yes: "If WE only knew what YOU know, everyone would believe." Sure, and if my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle. You say you can't eliminate him...what would POSSIBLY cause you to eliminate him at this point? I bet you could find a photo from November 24th 1971 where he had a unicorn's horn sticking out of his head and you'd make up an excuse or claim that you had access to a document where Tina said the hijacker had a unicorn's horn coming from his head. You have a pathological issue where you can't be wrong. Everyone on this forum knows it. You literally cannot admit to being wrong when plain English demonstrable evidence to the contrary is shoved right in your face. And when you have no way to spin out of admitting you were mistaken, you run away for weeks or months at a time out of shame, instead of just acting like a normal person and going "oh, I'll be damned, guess I was wrong." You've literally NEVER done that. Case in point, you thinking that for some reason they would communicate to the outside world that the hijacker had 1 inch high hair. R99 immediately pointed out that this was saying "about 6'1 inches high". Did you post something to just laugh it off like a normal person? No, you never responded to it and didn't post again for damn near a month. It would have been the easiest thing to do in that situation to just laugh it off because everyone has brain farts sometimes, but you're not capable of that. So if you act that way over a single post, there is ZERO chance you will ever move on from Hahneman whom you've invested years of your life into.

That wouldn't help a suspect if a family member said that. Cooper was a dickhead. The man HIJACKED a plane and threatened to murder people for personal profit. Sure, in very rare circumstances you have individuals doing criminal acts where their families would be shocked by it, but that's an extremely rare exception for a crime of this magnitude. He's not shoplifting a screwdriver at Home Depot, he's threatening people's lives. Cooper was either mentally unbalanced and hid it well, an asshole, or both.

A legit researcher who isn't suffering from the world's worst case of confirmation bias would know how totally ridiculous this is. Spin it however you want, but literally EVERYONE else who sees this knows how absurd this would be.

lol, again, you're expecting me to have perfect recall of Bill Hahneman's FBI file? So you're saying that I KNEW for 100% fact that his FBI file said he was missing upper teeth and that I decided to claim ON PURPOSE that he was missing upper and lower? Get a grip on yourself. You're so rustled. It's comical at this point.

This is LITERALLY what mine is. Just a series of things that I think make sense. You can get plus or minus points or just a neutral. For example, I don't know if Cooper was actually a pilot or not, so I wouldn't dock a point for not being a pilot, but it doesn't hurt to be a pilot, so I'll give you a point for pilot training. Smoker? Drinker? Aviation Background? 727 knowledge? Parachute training? Olive/Dark complexion? Neutral Accent? Age 40-50? Pilot? Opportunity? Familiar with PNW? Would know McChord? Any reason for odd chemicals to be on your clothing? Demolition training? Height 5'10 to 6'? That's literally it. About as basic as it gets. Claiming to have a 200 item matrix is preposterous on a topic where none of us really know shit. How could there even be 200 things on a matrix for this topic?? He's lying and will continue to hide behind the lie to try and provide the illusion of superiority. Anyways, when I plug the named suspects into those, the top 5 are Hall, Braden, Leigh Seller, Langseth, and Rackstraw (gross). Braden only lost to Hall because he lost a point for falling out of the FBI's official height range (spare me your bottom range stuff, Fly, no need to repeat it), he had neutral points for complexion, and neutral points for not having a realistic explanation for chemicals on his clothing. So it's hardly some sort of bias for Hall when he happens to check every box. It just is what it is. And Dave, please note that only ONE of us between Flyjack and myself is actually willing to open himself up for criticism when it comes to this sort of stuff. Flyjack is being intellectually cowardly by goading someone into showing THEIR matrix while at the same time hiding behind excuses for not revealing HIS matrix. So I'll post my matrix and open myself up to HIS criticism, because I'm a grownup, but he won't dare do it because he's actually afraid of criticism. And again, who tries to win arguments by saying "well, you don't know what I know!" That's what a fifth grader would say to try and win an argument.

You know... repeating a thing doesn't make it true. A misstatement in the middle of talking for three hours straight or while responding to someone on Reddit isn't a lie if I genuinely believe it to be true. So please do forgive me sire for saying that Mr. Magoo was missing teeth in his upper and lower mouth when he was only missing visible teeth in his upper mouth (because that makes it so much better...) or for mistakenly saying that he was from Allentown when he was from like 10 miles away from there (huge difference of course...)

Dude, you think WILLIAM FREDERICK HAHNEMAN was D.B. Cooper....

Well, I actually meant to say that mine has 792 items... I'm going to guess some of yours are: Wore Mr. Magoo glasses - +5 points Had no thick lower lip - +25 points Had a square head - +82 points Had a fat nose - + 17 points Told the crew information about his family - +8 points Missing noticeable teeth - +7 points Let's passengers go out the aft stairs - +10 points Tells hostages who his most recent employer was - +25 points Wore gloves some of the time but not all the time - +15 points Had noticeable growth on nose - +27 points Used a pistol - +72 points Smoked Benson and Hedges, not Raleighs - +15 points Told crew that his identity would be found in his baggage after he left - +14 points Asked for newspapers to read about himself - +18 points Crew describes hijacker as mentally unbalanced - +25 points My own suspect - + 8,427 points I mean, really, Flyjack, I think you've got it man. It really is JUST LIKE COOPER

Let's try it without your poor parlor trick. It's uncanny...truly. How many times are you going to fail in one day?

So you eliminate Hall because of severe forehead wrinkles when he raises his eyebrows and "severe eye wrinkles" and a small mole, but won't eliminate your suspect who doesn't have Cooper's only real notable feature and doesn't even remotely have the same head shape. Nobody even needs to get to forehead wrinkles to eliminate Bill. And hell, I don't see any wrinkles AT ALL on Hahneman, yet Cooper definitely had some, or is that something you've conveniently overlooked? Skip's forehead is actually a damn sight better than Botox Bill's.

Well, for one thing, my matrix doesn't value near-sightedness and bird lips. And sorry, I can't reveal the matrix...it's uhhh top secret for ummm, a project that I'll be working on for.... infinity...so I can't reveal it. But I'll just say you don't know what's on there because if you did, you'd be singing a different tune. Everyone out there just needs to trust me, all these other posters don't crap because they don't have what I have. Just trust me...and stuff.

My dude...throw in the towel. This is embarrassing.

will you please shut up about "you don't know what I've got." You're like a 12 year old trying to win a debate. Either present the evidence or don't bring it up at all. Yawn. Your dude six months after NORJAK hijacking STILL doesn't look like any sketch or any consistent description EVER GIVEN of Cooper's facial features. Your guy is LITERALLY called "thin lipped" by a Newspaper. One of the witness descriptions in the paper call him having thin lips, because he does! He has objectively thin lips. You're attacking Skip Hall for freaking "severe eye wrinkles" when your guy has a fat nose, a symmetrically square head that isn't oblong at all, and has little bird lips. Plus he was a ranting and rambling fool. The guy apparently told people on the plane his most recent employer. Does any of this sound like D.B. Cooper to ANYONE on earth except someone suffering for history's worst case of Sunken Cost Fallacy. Didn't you say his weight fluctuated? Wasn't that an excuse of yours? Well these are all photos of him after being on the run in Honduras for a month. Doubt he was visiting buffets.