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YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS I mean ya, it's funny...but I'd reckon that someone would have a serious fuckin' problem if they were to take this shit too seriously... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I think a transgender male has a better chance at being the first female president... Kaitlin for President...she can be the POTUS and first lady. It's amazing how some candidates can be so delusional as to "stay the course" as if they can actually win...it kinda makes me wanna vote for Rick Perry in a stupid fuckhead voter kinda way... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

lol....we don't even understand Christianity. I'll bring up the basis of Christianity and it's like a foreign subject here...but I understand. I was an alter server for 8 years in the catholic church and still didn't understand who the fuck Jesus was and why he died until my buddy explained it to me at the bar when I was like 22 years old and drunk enough to listen...wtf, right? Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Just curious what the resolution was. I know it has improved, and I don't want to bash one of the coolest technological features we have these days, but there is room for much improvement... *Edit* Good shit tho...most of us didn't even have cell phones back then, right? Amazing... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

What, exactly, is that difference? Well let's be honest...it's doubtful she actually comprehended the offense in the first place. But yes...it's not so much the "shitty engineering" as it is the act of God to give us the choice to engineer shittingly, if we choose...and apparently, we chose... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Then: Something a defense attorney for Hillary Clinton might say? https://youtu.be/VccqavRP6gE?t=6 Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Man, you guys sure have some interesting stories. I was sleeping... I awoke to a barrage of voicemails..."Corey, where are you!" "Corey, where's Sean." "Corey, where's my son!" "Corey Goddammit, you better have not taken him to work with you. (to the Renaissance Center, Detroit...) Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Perhaps in your religion it is the 4th commandment...who cares? Sin is sin and I wouldn't have beaten you over the head in some type of half-assed ignorant attempt to "embarrass" you on a public forum just because you didn't answer my PM... My bible shows it as the 5th...so if you're catholic or something, then that's your problem, not mine... If any one should be embarrassed, it's you... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

What happens if your parent tells you to break one of the other commandments? For example, if they tell you steal something and give it to them, or to lie to cover for them because they did something bad? I guess you're just screwed then, you get stoned to death and go to hell if you do what they ask, and you get the same thing if you refuse? What is a good Christian to do if your father or mother choose a spouse for you that you can't stand? If they choose a career for you that you absolutely hate? Does being a good Christian mean you get no say in how you live your life, unless you are so fortunate as to have parents who allow you to make your own choices? Don The Jews back in biblical times along with several others in this thread had similar problems...kinda sad much hasn't changed. They'd ask questions like, what about this, what about that...they'd try to test Christ with questions about divorce, or try to trap him with questions about God vs Caesar, or whatever...nothing new, you know. The Jews were certainly preoccupied with having lists of rules which subsequently lead to the development of the Mishnah which is basically like a dreaded 6000 page "humanistic" extension of laws upon laws upon laws of the Torah. Christ described it best - "They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden." Judaism along with practically every other religion, including Christianity/Catholicism is an external facade that allows one to ignore the internal condition of their own heart, soul, or whatever you want to call it. One of my favorite examples of external religion vs internal reflection, is when Christ said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So ya...maybe they didn't physically commit adultery, but maybe they wanted to...maybe they just imagined it...but that's the problem - We are fundamentally flawed - much like your question....which is why the parents in said question would dare force their will onto their children and ask them to lie, cheat and steal in the first place... Futhermore: Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

The specific quotes I listed do not need any interpretation - they are pretty specific. Probably for money...but that hasn't really been much of an issue. All the translations I've compared don't show much variation and still convey the same message. I'm particular to the ESV. It's been compared as more of a poetic version of the NASB which is probably the most accurate literal translation. Dynamic equivalency translations like the NIV are primarily useful for more in-depth study. The earliest transcripts for revelation date back to around 250 A.D, but please note that that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't copied from an earlier document. Scribes were charged with the responsibility of preserving scripture - which back then meant rewriting it over and over. I do believe however that old testament scribes were probably more formal and meticulous in their method than those rewriting new testament scripture. 5). Do you really condone putting a child to death for cursing their parents? Please note that the people Christ was speaking to were not children. They were adults that refused to help their parents. (v.5) Honoring your father and mother is the 5th commandment. It is part of the Law. If one breaks any one part of the law at any one time, it is as if he breaks the entire law and is therefore condemned. This is pretty much the basis for Christianity. We seek life by the grace of God that is found through Jesus Christ, rather than death through the Law. Ok, so, say me . . . Cursing my father . . . You are saying that I should be put to death. So who's gonna put you to death - another sinner who is equally condemned by the same sin, if not another? It kinda goes back to the whole idea of whoever is without sin, cast the first stone...and then everyone walks away - just as they should. From a Christian perspective, the wage of sin is death, and we all shall surely "die the death" - unless maybe you're without sin - but as far as I know, there has only been one without sin, and even He died. Now, I don't mean to be such a downer, but I've already shared the upside, and you don't seem to be too interested that. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I must admit however, that when I see how economically dependent we have become on the rest of the world, I can't help but to think how we're headed in a direction that's more favorable to the idea of a universal government/currency that would then be more susceptible to the extremes we see represented in revelation, as apposed to...um...say, a United States who's economic and social structures were more autonomous. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Figures. What exactly is that supposed to mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQSO0RbmHBI Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

The specific quotes I listed do not need any interpretation - they are pretty specific. Probably for money...but that hasn't really been much of an issue. All the translations I've compared don't show much variation and still convey the same message. I'm particular to the ESV. It's been compared as more of a poetic version of the NASB which is probably the most accurate literal translation. Dynamic equivalency translations like the NIV are primarily useful for more in-depth study. The earliest transcripts for revelation date back to around 250 A.D, but please note that that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't copied from an earlier document. Scribes were charged with the responsibility of preserving scripture - which back then meant rewriting it over and over. I do believe however that old testament scribes were probably more formal and meticulous in their method than those rewriting new testament scripture. 5). Do you really condone putting a child to death for cursing their parents? Please note that the people Christ was speaking to were not children. They were adults that refused to help their parents. (v.5) Honoring your father and mother is the 5th commandment. It is part of the Law. If one breaks any one part of the law at any one time, it is as if he breaks the entire law and is therefore condemned. This is pretty much the basis for Christianity. We seek life by the grace of God that is found through Jesus Christ, rather than death through the Law. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Yeah, totally clear. One small question though, um, what the fuck are you talking about? You said that it was kinda pointless to look for indicators, and I agree to a certain extent. Some felt that the roman attack on Jerusalem was the end times...some felt that Hitler was the Antichrist. I just decided to let the text speak for itself...when it happens it happens. Personally I think things will have to get much worse in order for the world to accept the type of government depicted in revelation, so if looking for indicators would help forego or at least help someone prepare for such a government, then so be it. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Stop blaming me... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Or without consideration to what it means. 'Born in the USA' for example... ...but I thought we were talking about the evil conservative warmongering republicans. Perhaps they're just gloating... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

In most cases the rights are owned by corporations/music labels that only care about profitable licensing. If the artists don't like it, then perhaps they should be more careful when making deals with the devil... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Modern interpretations say that there will be a World order functioning under a universal currency.... Recent events seem to support that direction. Really? Modern 'interpretations' mirror things that are (kinda) happening in the modern world? Wow! That's quite amazing. Fine...funny enough. I suppose there is no need for modern interpretation. The text written nearly 2000 years ago is clear enough. Revelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation... Revelation 13:16-17 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

ok, ok...that was pretty good. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

What if I just give my boyfriend a handjob? Or he just sucks my dick? Is that cool? If you're not a christian, then what business is it of mine? ...but if you were, then perhaps I'd ask if you could acknowledge your faith and recognize the sexual immorality of such behavior, and then suggest moving in a direction away from that type of lifestyle. It would be very difficult and challenging - as it is when dealing with all types of sin - but close groups of believers can help you through it, especially during times of failure. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

with the exception of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, I deliberately left out any direct references to homosexuality to illustrate that sexual immorality is still sexual immorality whether it's heterosexual or homosexual in nature... If I were to say my sexual immorality was okay, then I'd be no different than christian homosexuals that say "hey, I was born this way...I can't help myself, so to hell with what God and my bible actually say about it...it's okay." Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

what about history then ? I see your point, but I still don't think it would be as susceptible to biased manipulation as religion can be. Besides, I don't think any of us would ever agree to remove history from the curriculum - It's bad enough as it is - some kids don't even know who Hitler was. How are they ever supposed to learn the art of a good Godwin? Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Holy agreement batman! We agree on something! Please note however that I strongly support and even encourage the public expression of faith at some point in a believer's life. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Then let's kill it right here... If Obama didn't qualify, then Hillary damn well sure would've made it known... *edit* Not the best logic, but i'm sure it'll stick... Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Oh, btw....wtf is THAT about? It's amazing that Paul still gets attacked even today. ...as they say, the devil isn't very creative. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour