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Seriously - I've beenn sitting here for like 5-10 minutes staring at the screen waiting for my heart rate to come back down, and I still don't know wtf to say. . . I try not to let shit get to me anymore, but this is ridiculous. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

hmmm, I can't say that I've ever met anyone like that - you probably haven't either. That's interesting because just several hours ago in post #10, you were going on about how "it is completely pointless to tell such people (believers) that they are wrong" - and that "both sides in this argument just need to accept each other." - and how "these oldest of mankind's stories contain a lot of wisdom and lessons for today." That's gotta be some kind of a record time flip flop or something. I guess words don't mean what they used to. . . Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Life has been sustainable, of course. As for various lifestyles? - not so much. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I agree that society in general has outgrown a sense of loyalty and self sacrifice - and I would never force that on anyone - not even a society that has given way to hedonism, greed, self-righteous humanism and a materialistic sense of entitlement that's simply not sustainable. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Damn, I didn't realize I was performing directly inside the peanut gallery. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

It's believed that God's word was written in a different language, so there is a need for translation if you don't understand that language - I thought that much was obvious. You're entitled to your beliefs. To me it's actually much more than that, but I wouldn't expect you to even try to understand anything beyond your own perspective. What does that have to do with me? If you ask questions, I'm gonna offer my perspective - big deal. ...and just because I may voice differing opinions does not mean that I'm bending others to my will. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

There are a lot of translations but they all pretty much say the same thing, right? If you can provide the same verse from two different translations that appear to contradict each other, then I'll do my best to explain which one I believe is correct and why. How would you know for sure? Here are some examples.Verses are generally omitted in some translations because they are not found in the earliest manuscripts. Even versions that include the verses make a footnote of that. These verses typically are not used in doctrine unless the idea of any one of those particular verses is found elsewhere in scripture. When I study scripture I use a variety of translations including an interlinear bible in the original language. I may look at the 1984 version of the NIV and see that God hates divorce. The practical application to that would be to not get a divorce, which is the idea being conveyed in the 2011 version. It doesn't say anything about God no longer hating divorce, like the the author suggests. Furthermore, the NIV is not marketed as a literal translation but considered what is called a "dynamic equivalency" that is typically used for study and life application. It's usually recommended as an accompaniment to a literal translation. As we obtain more knowledge about the historical, cultural and circumstantial context behind biblical lifestyles, it can lead to more insight into how the original languages should be translated and/or interpreted. Well certainly language changes overtime, and the way things were written centuries ago may not be perceived the same way today. . . .but to your point, yes - I believe that some translations are softened to make more money and appeal to more people. I remember reading one translation - I forget which one - but ultimately, the passage as I had understood it was about addressing your own sin, but the translation omitted everything in that verse about sin, thus missing the entire point of the message. Some translations are so bad that they're not even considered a Bible, but rather a commentary. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Fine, go ahead, please, continue - blame, blame, blame away. . . . . .and don't forget to throw in a few more PAs for dramatic effect. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I'm guessing you deleted your post due to quade's request. I'll either send you a PM or start a new thread addressing your problem. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

There are a lot of translations but they all pretty much say the same thing, right? If you can provide the same verse from two different translations that appear to contradict each other, then I'll do my best to explain which one I believe is correct and why. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I think that is part of his plan. Given that he makes his plan up as he goes, you're probably right. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

...but, but, the people have spoken - the voters have chosen another path! Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

They do it because it's more comfortable to listen to lies you agree with than truths lies that you disagree with. IMO I'd even go a bit further and replace "lies/truth" with "spin" - neither side has a monopoly on that. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

***Sir, you are delusional about many things. grow a pair. And he continues like a bully with the pot shots with my hands tied behind my back, less he ban be for another month. Must be nice when the rules don't apply to you, eh? ***You entered this conversation without any regard whatsoever for what was being said. You simply wanted to be a contrarian to whatever position I was taking. Nonsense. I posted 5 words and you got all into your own head about it and became defensive. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

No, its the hypocrisy. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

It's the divisiveness of condescending blowhards that get off on calling people wimps that lead to this, like Trump. ...people like you. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

You singled out Rush Limbo and Fox News while intentionally ignoring the content of everything else. Content is what matters here, not capitalistic owners that couldn't care less about the content as long as it brings them a buck. You're being disingenuous, as usual. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Please name the "liberal" CEOs or owners of "everything else." Go ahead. I'll wait. Please show me the conservative content of "everything else" since thats what actually matters. Go ahead. I'll wait. What a wimp. Can't even back up your bogus claims and resorts to simply parroting. So sad. Nonsense - you changed the goal posts and started talking about the owners, when this discussion was about the content. I never made a claim about the owners. Then you resort to ad hom PAs, as usual. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Please name the "liberal" CEOs or owners of "everything else." Go ahead. I'll wait. Please show me the conservative content of "everything else" since thats what actually matters. Go ahead. I'll wait. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Biased, as usual, as well. . . You guys bitch about Fox News, Fox News, Fox News - and then there's everything else, which is practically liberal. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Liberal media, TV, movies, Hollywood, advertising, etc. . . You're being utterly biased - as usual. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Damn, free speech strikes again. . . Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

I believe that question is meant for Hindus to see if they may already be covered under a policy from another life. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

You're entitled to your religious beliefs, but I wouldn't say that just because something is unique and fragile that it means nothing. That's just some BS you heard on the internet. Oh, I see - so you just want everyone to live by YOUR stupid rules - your morality, and your ridiculous anti-vaxxer nonsense. Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

Ya that tends to happen when all else fails. You are a man of GREAT faith! Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour