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i was talking about a t-10 and that was over 20 years ago for me...we use to pump the risers to try to manuver them with a rucsack hanging and your wepon strapped to your leg... ..if it did release... you just wabbeled around... trying not to land on top of each other. We had 6 malfuctions in my airborne class...i forget the broken legs and backs but none where walking fo a long time and 3 got discharged. My Halo school got canceled as a butter bar went in on jump # 4 i think it was.... During my tour i think i can remember at least 2 or so every deployment that went bad...They evn had a guy on a deployment to Alaska who streamered in and lived....allot of snow i think it was that saved his ass... All i remember that i hated when they were below 1000 ft and the idiot jumpmaster put us out after or before the intended dropzone...Thank god i was very young and stupid to make it threw that in one piece... What unit where you in? In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I have a stupid question for you Tom.... Is the reason you use a PCA for ... if the studident has total brain lock and does not throw his pilot chute..?? I.E.... brain lock... ground rush... sensory overlaod..... I have seen AFF students do this as well as a Navy Seal climb back into the plane from a Cesna 172 on his first static line jump ....No sh%^$T.. I was hanging from the side to video him and could not beleive my eyes as this bad boy climbed back in. And he was hanging from the strut with his feet flying in the wind. When he got to the ground he only remembered that something in his head said no way....and he froze in panic....i think he said the ground at 4000 ft looked like 500 ft or something.. It can happen to anybody...... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Why even think about doing a jump from someone who does FDC..... This i dont understand... I see on the internet he has a huck doll...did you get one after you jumped?? yes i saw him on TV and seemed like a rodeo star...That should be your first natural reaction to be uneasy... i think that if my first AFF jumpmasters acted like yee hahs...i would not get on the plane... Planning.... well planning is great if you are experienced in what you are doing....if not ...you are just on for the ride... ask the Seals that never made it back from there recient mission in Afganistan, planning will not keep you alive only adjust the odds and even then there a thing call"screw the pooch" . I spent 3 years as a ranger in the military and i can tell you alot about planning ...99% of the time it goes wrong....it also make a big difference about who's doing the planning.... IE...idiots.... and you also have poor planning...like lettting someone with 40 some odd jumps jump off a bridge.... delay....well i wont even go there...I will leave that to someone with experience... Comfortable because you have been around it....what if you lived in the swiss valley....would that make you comfortable to go with 40 jumps and jump there..? teaser.....watching base videos is a teaser....what you did was not smart.... And for a round.....thats the scarriest of all. i have over 200 in the military and 1....you cannot steer...2 they malfuction allot... and you have 0 experience with the round you where jumping .... and 2 with base jumping in general.....And to boot you say your canopy experience sucks with ones you can steer and you jumped one that you cant..... Ok, you race cars...you can relate then to someone with an hour of race experience going to Daytona to race the 500....It wouldnt be smart besides if they even would have lived threw it... And..yeas you can take with you all that you have experienced in life....thats what life is about... Stay safe and .....slow down....... All the best you nut...... Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

i may have worded it in correctly as to making a point that if you have a lot of experience and things go wrong ..it's that experience that ..will or can help.... saved his ass as he said and yes when i had 400 or so jumps and he saw me with the board...he gave me a mouth full that i took to heart and has kept my ass still alive... i think and as he told me.. if he did not have the experience he had.. he said he would have definetly gone in.. i hope thats a little clearer...maybe not... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

No...it is more a case of rushing into something... 6 jumps and then Norway....i tend to think a bit over confident... Base to me seems about how good you are when all goes wrong not so much when all goes right... Anything is easy when everything goes right...but when all goes wrong..it's then that that experience that takes you to live another day.. Ask any pilot... when the shit hits the fan ...how you react is how good a pilot you are... again..i have been known to be wrong.... Nothing to do with woman. Look at Jill Salo in continuim 1 and 2. That is one solid incredible base jumper that makes it look so easy.... I probally would not have posted to much about her jump if she lived in Maine or Aruba. But she did it in a place she has access to some very experienced and good base jumpers who i know would think that that was not a great choice. I said "Choice" ... and yes.. i was a surfing hippy that grew up and had kids but still live for my passions. never tell my kids not ok unless they want to go out and surf Mavericks...Then i will instill my thoughts as well as try to get there brain working.... Its all in good fun...... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I really dont need to take a deep breath when i see something that is not right... and yes guided by someone who actually helped her with her experience level....thats not what you will find advise wise in this forum... Well anyone in there right mind should have a fear level ....control is based on experience..and in this endever of hers.. she has none... not being harsh...just the truth ... i responded to another post not hers if you looked.. not trying to be rude either...If i can influence someone to seek a better and safer path than great.. if someoen else is offended by that ...i can live with that.. if it will help someone else.... [;) They arent assumtions...Holly posts about her skydiving and base exposer and we have PM'ed briefly about these subjects. I was not being rude to her... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Holly.....read this post...follow this link....read...read...read.... or read this... #63 Lori Barr, July 23, 2002 Cliff Jump Norway Wall Strike (in freefall) Lori launched and lost stability on her first cliff jump. With five previous Perrine bridge jumps and the required amount of skydives Lori is on an organized BASE expedition to Norway. The trip included a site specific BASE jumping course taught by very competent instructors. However, Lori hit the cliff wall in freefall at about 11 seconds. What makes this fatality a little more chilling is the fact Lori did everything right as far as following the current advise on how to get into BASE jumping. She did everthing right and had over ten times the experience you do.....So ...what where you thinking.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

This is great stuff...All us nubees or low experience jumpers should take to heart....well....to brain actually.... You are right, but you can learn allot more doing tracking dives from a plane than for a few seconds off a object. I would bet the 500 or so tracking dives could save your ass when needed... Thanks for the "good information".. Stay safe all, chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Holly, congradulations for your first jump....and on another level...very bad judgment on the route you choose... I am not there nor do i know the details but from your experiance...42 skydives and your first jump a handheld...i would agree you took a FDC. Sorry but that was not a wise choice. It was a bad one.... Fact is you have zero base canopy experience.. I hope that you are a incredible swimmer as if you got tangled in your lines you could of drowned.. You ...of all people new Tom A. ..which i know told you there is no hurry and did it anyway.....Thats age that can kill you... "Listen to wisdom" for 42 skydives you still cant understand whats going on or what can happen...Its callled begginners overdrive that tunnels you in to a false sense of security. "its called not listening" I have seen a guy with over seven thousand skydives almost die on his first skysurf jump....... You have never had to deal with a cutaway , which is stress situation no matter how calm you are... i would think that opening time on a base jump is a stress situation. So you flunked there... You really broke the rules...." That being ..."do not rush in to something that cannot be rushed"... You have not seen what happens when all goes terroribly wrong...i mean right in front of you..... I have ..and it's nothing pretty.... when you have pieces of someone all over in front of you and you where just sitting with them 20 minutes before... Sorry for being hard on you but i only hope to scare you into thinking about what you did.. I hope you stop to rethink and change the path you are taking.. You are 18 years old with a whole life ahead of you....dont rush in and cut it short. You are playing with something that is not a toy and completly unforgiving... "you are playing with fire and you are covered in gasoline" I want to jump Norway as much as anybody but the more i listen to experienced base jumpers the more i slow down my thinking . When a guy with 700 base jumps tells you that a Jump off exit 6 in a wingsuit scared the living shit out of him...i think thats something you need to take to heart. I hope Tom A. comes over to see you and give you the chewing out you need... I am a bit surprised you choose this path being surrounded by the people you are... I hope you take this as constructive advise form someone who has seen and experienced little more than than you have... Stay safe and rethink what you are doing..... All the best , Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

very cool post. Even as a nubee....Stuff like this make you re think how fast you want to take this. The more i learn the more i take it slower .. Thank's for the great read, Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I think there is some very good information here for us less or no experienced ones. I see a division of people on which sites they recommend for first terminal or E jumps as there prefrence. But seems to be division on either Norway or ITTW as one and Swiss as another. It looks as if it's undecided by the masses as to which. I am intrested also as to which the masses suggest as a first big wall jump. The more i read the slower i want to take it. Thanks all for the information, Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Now someone is thinking....do a make a wish foundation chairty jump. Get corporate sponsers,famous people or casinos to raise money for the terminaly ill kids... everyone wins..... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Congradulations bro....So...you are telling me your first base jump was from Kjerag.....? I would like to here all about that experence and your 6 jumps ...Very cool... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

What ever you need Nickster........ In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I dont think... so but i will send you a copy if you like... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Nick you are really on.... I think you are more connected than allot of people i know..... I was thinking about that the other day as i read a retiree in the forums being that he made a promise to his wife to quit to keep his word....That takes balls....To give up what makes you the person you are... for someone else... For someone like me who has three kids and a wife and are looking to start base.....yes it take balls in the sense to weigh in that you could leave these loved ones without someone they depend on. i think this is my hardest decision.. as they love me for the father and husband i am but would never tell me not to as they know skydiving and the sports i do make me the person they love..... .. In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I will have to say Nick hit the nail on the head. It's no different Than a surfer or Climber or whatever. You have people that long board malibu at 2 feet and guys who surf Jaws at 30 feet... you have climbers who climb Joshawa Tree and climbers who climb Everest...All risks some big some small ...but all tied to what you are comfortable with..... both with the same objective......have a little fun in this thing we call life.... Why try to explain it...Just live it... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

i will be recording it leroy. i will make you a copy.... Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Ok jap....thats definatly a 30 minute episode for a TV special....excellent ....... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

That is very cool...please continue.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I think i may have worded my question in not quiet the right way. what i ment was if i was only intrested in doing high cliff jumps only as opposed to fliking any object, would i be looked at differently? would you find base jumpers that stay with say certain objects and never do others to be not a BASE jumper? I still find it hard to get this question right... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Ok, I will throw this out to everyone. When you got into base was it for legal base or illegal base. I ask this as i am in the process of getting ready to get into base but i have my own set of reasons and they are not all for the pure excitment of sneaking around. After spending time in the military i am pretty much over sneaking around.Would anyone who base jumps see anyone differently if there motivies where to only legal base as to illegal? I ask in the same manor as a climber would enjoy climbing a cliff verses a Building. I am currious to see if base jumpers look different at jumpers intrested in jumping different objects. I think it would be a valid question.. Then again i could be completly wrong.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Hey Tree, This helps allot. I got to thinking about this as a couple of the fatalities where unstable exits. I was also watching some of the bridgday jumps and saw allot of jumpers freezing doing gainers where some basic simple diving techinque would have elimanated this... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Very funny... Mr. Skinflicka.. No ..in all seriousness...besides a group of cheerleaders kneeling before me...If one where to have a unstable exit... as say...head low and then backing into the object....wouldnt a complete flip to stable be a altenative?? as to create forward momentium... i mean on a high object..... not a low kneeling one In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Ok, I will add my two cents here... I dove since i could walk since i lived at the pool as a kid. I was jumping on high dives at 5 years old. i dove threw highschool and off anything from lake towers to cliffs into lakes. I would suggest to go find a rec pool or go to a university and you will find a highdive or platform. Learning to dive in water is allot easier than gymnastics...Yes i did gymnastics for 4 or 5 years in school. Spring Diving board is allot easier than platform. When you learn in the water...just the fear of smacking the water will speed up your learning curve. Plus its fun as hell...I would suggest starting on a low spring diving board on simple stuff and then when comfortable get on the high dive.Remember...even getting good on the high dive will be allot different when you get on the platform. I guess it's like base as you launch into dead air as on a spring board you will create momentum and speed for your dives. Anyway, have fun and it only stings as compaired to gymnastics when it really hurts when you screw up... Later... Chris again only my 2 cents.... It's funny i asked about diving as a recovery for unstable exits as a recovery technique and only kevin M. responded....I thought there would be more discussion as it could be a lifesaver.....hemmmmm.. again...i have been know to be wrong more than ounce.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"