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Well, of course! I can't remember the guys name, a Democratic Congressman in 1996, admitted to a sexual relationship with a 17 year old page. He refused to resign. So, there shouldn't be a claim of precedent on either side. Back on topic, John Murtha is a corrupt scumbag! What fucking bullshit. Earlier you claimed a deflection of blame. Now you claim deflection of attention. There was no waffling on what should be the outcome, he was to resign. Then dems get all worked up over emails that even newspapers found not to be newsworthy. Sure, a hypocrite was in their ranks. Who is trying to deny that? It doesn't surprise me that he sponsored the child protection bills. Some psychologist would probably say he knew he was a predator and wanted to stop himself - typical, sick, mind of the criminal shit...wanting to get caught... People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Selective moral outrage. Studds even got 3 standing ovations from his party members in congress, I guess their way of complimenting him for 'being tough - sticking it out' or something like that. I'm looking forward to the microphones in Jesse Jackson's face asking him when he will fire the pedophile. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

So, now John Murtha is shown saying that he doesn't want any of the $50,000 bribe, yet. "After we do business for a while, maybe then, if you know what I mean" I'm pretty sure that is exactly what he said, among other things that indicated he was reluctant to be bribed, yet, by an arab shiek wanting a law passed in his favor. John is selective about who he takes bribes from, he wants to "do business" for a while first. Some will complain about the timing of this. I say politics is nasty business, I don't expect either side to be nice. However, dems have pulled lies out of their ass much closer to elections (CBS forged documents in '04). At least this is Murtha in his own words. No laws broken, but it sure is unethical. The dem leadership isn't likely to be asking for his resignation though, he's a member of the party of lower expectations. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

UFOs, now that's a fun subject. I heard some comedian I think say...why hasn't anyone that's been taken to a ship for examination been able to get out with anything, no matchbooks, no drink coasters, candy wrapper, nothing? Besides aliens being able to introduce new technology, I think about how great it would be to know their religious beliefs, if any, or maybe they've got an answer to the big question...life, the universe, and everything Maybe they're from our future, like college student archeologists. They are probably watching our TV broadcasts, and have determined we're not yet ready. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

A censure! That is like after school detention, although not quite as severe as a 3 day suspension where your grade suffers because don't get to make up the assignments. How's that analogy for you? But, what is this I hear about how 3 newspapers in Florida had the first emails? They found them to be unusual, but not newsworthy. Only those original emails were what Hastert and others admitted to knowing. All of this selective moral outrage, "they admitted they knew and did nothing..." People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Have you READ this thread? YES Deflecting blame is different than reminding how dems have overlooked statutory rape within their members of congress. It is called selective moral outrage. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Do you think the dems knew anything about Foley? All the talk was how it was sorta common knowledge maybe? In what way did repubs try to deflect blame? When dems start demanding resignations for anyone that 'knew', then it is reasonable to remind them what they have overlooked, but knew about, in the past. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I think most politicians want to do good. They have different ideas of what good is, and are all too often tempted to pursue their vision of good by bad methods. I think a libertarian politician would be subject to the same temptations. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Sounds like you agree with me. Certain breeds are more likely to be agressive, independent of whether that was caused by some cruelty to the dog. Just like some dogs are more likely to herd by instinct, even if it hasn't been trained. I'll prefer the breeds that are naturally less agressive, and not trust at all the breeds that have a well deserved reputation for more unpredictable agression. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I disagree. Dog lovers can tell you about many behaviors that are characteristic of certain breeds. For instance, are we to believe that the herding instinct can be stronger in certain breeds, but just plain agressiveness is not such an inherited behavior? I think not. Just because there are many nice pit bulls doesn't mean they are just as safe as a golden retriever when a kid does something to make it mad. All dogs have potential for bad, aggressive behavior, but no way in hell would I trust a pit bull as much as many others. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Why lingerie? You'd sell more tickets if it were a naked event. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

You seem very quick to assume only repubs knew. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

The "they" will likely be dems and repubs, I think. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Not only that, but he also predicted what you were going to say. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Not so fast, the dems may have known a lot also, and chosen to not publically mention it. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

In my opinion, that is very bad form to be predicting what another member will say, especially when those predicted statements are contemtible. Bad form. edit to add, from the rules: When discussing in this (or any) forum, a good rule of thumb is the one we learned in 2nd grade soccer--play the ball, not the player. If you find yourself directing things at a person rather than at what they say, chances are you are out of line. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Q: What are some of the perks of this job? A: You get to do whatever you want to a turkey, here are some ideas... Am I the only one that thought about the cow-like animal on the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy that was able to tell you it looked forward to being eaten? edit - I haven't eaten meat since '80. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

No. That isn't the question at all. Nice attempt to blame the messenger though. Sure it is. Are you actually going to argue that if you didn't want your teenage sons life examined, schoolmates interviewed, and his education distracted by the press, that your desires are unimportant compared to the political mileage to be gained by furthur exploiting him in the press? I believe that the state can prosecute without the vicitim's testimony if they choose. I think the wishes of the victim's family should not be all important. The desire to prevent further crimes should matter more. If dems knew of this stuff for a long time, then they should be condemned for the delayed timing - putting other children at risk so that the news would hurt repubs in the election worse. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

What I'm getting at is: If all the pages knew to watch out for Foley, didn't the dems know for a long time also? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Foley's attempts to attract younger pages seemed to be pretty well known outside the house; more experienced pages warned newer pages to steer clear of Foley. Newer pages were even warned by someone in the house clerk's office, so they clearly understood it was a problem. _________________________ The dems would have us believe that only repubs were in a position to know of this reputation and do something about it. I don't believe that. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Having consentual sex with a subordinate - what's the problem? Clinton is probably a role model for him. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

So, the important thing here is that the person involved was underage, correct? The dems should not care too much about the kid being an intern/page, right? Don't get me wrong, being underage is plenty bad enough, but why do any of the dems care about it being an intern/page? So, if he was over 18, there should have been no complaint. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

What is important to realize is that 'what was previously known' was not the latest messages that have been described as "indefensible". The prior incident that others knew about was described as 'overly familiar' messages. That is how I've heard it described. We will probably find out for ourselves what the actual content was, but for now, I think it is wrong to say others "knew", because what they knew was info about different messages. The first messages may well have been bad enough to warrant condemnation, but we should realize there are two separate incidents being discussed. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

If the lock-up mechanism in the torque converter is not unlocking like it should at slower speeds, then it will stall like a manual transmission. You should be able to unconnect the wire leading to it, disabling the lock up feature and see if it changes. That's probably it if it runs OK when you first start it, and only gives you a problem after you've already been going fast enough to have activated the lock up feature. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

They should have had blood sloshed on them before exit! People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am