sundevil777

I think I'd like to see how the last two questions were phrased. Somehow I think those two were a bit leading, like just about any Fox poll. 'So ya heard he's like Hitler, right?' The first two - yeah, I have little doubt that self reporting republicans (which are generally the right 2/3rds of that party's voting block) believe the first two in large numbers. Nothing about those questions had to be fuzzy to get that result. Quite right about the phrasing of the questions. I think it should be mandatory to show the exact question when reporting the result. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

You'd think that the use of dramatic language by politicians was remarkable. The only thing remarkable you've shown in this thread is your ability to view the ordinary as evidence of people "losing it". Seems to me that you're the one "losing it". You assert Bush was a facist as indisputable, but aren't many of the things that got Bush that label being continued by Obama? Are you losing it? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I'm surprised that number isn't higher. He is socialist. His previous statements have made that quite clear. He advocates for achieving economic justice by redistribution of wealth. What would you call that? I do not think that is true, but I think the pres intentionally does not do everything he can to prove it false. I think he figures that he benefits from there being groups that continue to make that claim, so he enables them in a way. Not a surprise, just as so many thought that of Bush, but I don't figure you would have agreed that it meant Dems were "losing it". Again, those Dems that believed in the bible had plenty that thought the same about Bush. Nothing new or distinctive there. Even those libs that didn't believe in God thought Bush was the equivalent of the antichrist. Geez, I thought you were going to cite something remarkable in this thread. Instead, just making a big deal of the normal stuff that has happened from both sides, actually, I think it happens much more from the libs. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

, the calculation of 6.5 seconds was take from the perimeter wall, and was intended to show the freefall accelleration, never the time of the entire collapse. It is clearly stated in the presentation I have shown you before, but the presentation you just posted there twists what was said and uses false analysis of the information to promote a false assertion that 13 seconds is a long time for a 47 story high steel framed structure to completely collapse in. Regardles of the total collapse time anybody has calculated, the fact remains that the main proportion of the building maintained freefall acceleration for at least 2.5 seconds, that is unprecedented for fire damage to a steel building and requires further investigation to prevent further occurances. From the data presented by the link YOU provided, it did NOT freefall for 2.5 seconds. The velocity vs time graph had an obvious "sawtooth" characteristic. That shape could indicate error, or it can indicate that the acceleration was NOT constant. I think that even you can see that, it is unmistakable, it is in the data that you have pointed out to us. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Of course bldg 7 had much more than just fire that brought it down, it had significant structural damage from the towers. Of course truthers don't like to acknowledge that. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

You don't mention that the first second showed a perios of very slow accel, then quite a long time with zero accel, THEN their analysis shows an acceleration that is about 1% GREATER than gravity! The early parts of the collapse show exactly the type of delay that you assert should have happened. That the analysis shows accel greater than 1g should cause some hesitation. The raw data of your guy's analysis shows a LOT of "steps", which indicate to me that the structure was in fact resisting the fall. Just because it wasn't resisting as much as YOU expect means nothing. You only say it should have been slower, not by how much. The methods used to measure the accel may have been as accurate as physically possible given the data, but that does NOT answer the question of how accurate was it - very important when comparing the observed to what would be predicted by analysis. So, you have nothing, no prediction, and no way to know if the observed result departs from that prediction by an amount that should raise questions. The narrator of the video you posted makes many mistakes, especially the assertion that it was only after 3 seconds that the building departed from freefall - it showed similar slope segments along the way, just not for long periods. He throws around terminology that might impress you, but he sounds very uneducated when he claims that what was observed could only have happened if there was no resistance. One can only say that by an analysis of how fast it should have fallen, and you don't have that. All in all, a very bullshit video in many, many ways. The fact that you don't know, or ignore the bullshit in this video is very telling. I will at least give you credit for trying to answer the questions. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

No need to rely on speed indication from radar, etc. I expect that the speed could be estimated within about 50 mph easily from the video evidence. What does that evidence show? If it supported the truther's claims, I would expect you guys to have it already figured. Finding pilots that support your conclusions is not any more convincing than the architects/engineers that are truthers. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

You have been refusing to discuss the following simple questions that are crucial to your position: How close to "near" freefall did it fall? How accurate was the measurement? How fast should it have fallen? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I suspect the typical airliner isn't equipped to properly measure such high airspeeds as reported. I suspect the Egyptair flight may also have been pulling up at the time of its breakup, making the conclusion about when a 767 will break-up invalid. So, the NTSB may be incompetent in claiming the speeds they have, so what? Does that surprise anyone? Why didn't the producers do a speed analysis based on video evidence? I'll tell you why, because it doesn't support their conspiracy theory. You truthers do video based speed analysis of the building collapses, why not the airplanes? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Oh, tax increases that lead to deficit reduction, vs tax cuts that lead to disaster? Yea, fucking brilliant point. Spending cuts that lead to deficit reduction? Another fucking brilliant point. BTW, when responding, try to be current and comment on the last 2 or 3 decades to make it relevant. Tell us about the fascist pig (Reagan) and his policies that succeeded and how. Tell us about GWB and his policies and their great success. The one caveat you have is GHWB, but that's 1 term of the last 5 R terms; more an aberration. You have to go to 50-58 years to Eisenhower to find the next R that was fiscally responsible. Unless you're talking other policies, but since you're so vague, I can only assume you mean that (fiscal policy). Me thinks you're just repeating the RW dribble w/o actually doing the math. So much anger, is that the fault of conservatives also? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

No, liberals don't suck, their policies suck. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Heckled, aww, now isn't that just awful! My heart bleads peanut butter... That's nothing compared to the conservative (an old man, I do beleive) that got beat just a little while ago by liberal union thugs. Oh, is this the incident you mean? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS2A5gpZKMA I can accept that the incident may have been a hoax. If so, I would have expected the reporter on the link you provided to at least show the video when making the assertions. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Heckled, aww, now isn't that just awful! My heart bleads peanut butter... That's nothing compared to the conservative (an old man, I do beleive) that got beat just a little while ago by liberal union thugs. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Now you've demonstrated that you did not pay attention in economics class. However, you have shown you think you have it all figured out. You know not of what you speak. The economy does not operate on a fixed total of wealth. One person gaining wealth does not depend on another losing wealth. Marxists don't like to accept this, but it is true. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Those high rates weren't actually paid by the rich, I think you already realize that though. Taxation is more fair and more effective when it is flatter across incomes (less progressive), with fewer loopholes. Now you're measuring std of living by something other than life expectancy - what gives? Is Cuba prosperous as you define it now? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

If people were willing hard without caring about their compensation, like ants or bees, then marxism would work. But people do care, and because of that it doesn't work. People didn't pay those tax rates you cited because of complicated laws that effectively reduced the rates. So, you define prospering in Cuba by the fact they have a decent life expectancy? Is that really all by which you measure prosperity? I understand, some believe that a perfect world can be achieved by an all controlling central government, and that the countries that have failed at it so far just didn't do it the right way. That's right, it wasn't a failure of marxism, just a failure of implementing marxism correctly. Thenew progressive elites in the US will do it properly though, ya right! People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Cuba still prospers? Perhaps you're willing to believe whatever Michael Moore tells you. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

There is a BIG problem with that logic. If tax rates/laws were changed so that a person earning a billion a year was taxed at 90%, leaving just 100 mil, then the next year that same person would change their actions so that there just wouldn't be as much income to tax at 90%, so the tax revenue generated just wouldn't be there the second time around. Not only that, but all the economic activity generated by that super rich person's billion dollar salary would no longer be there. If you want less of something, then increase the taxes on that activity. If all you care for is to generate tax revenue for one year and to punish the rich, then your plan would be great. Besides that, it is not effective and would ruin the economy. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I read somewhere that a guy claimed that he could not shift his prius into neutral. Is that possible - is the gearshift nothing more than an electrical switch that controls the tranny through software with electronics rather than a mechanical connection? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I don't think the words at the end of the sentence change them to mean what you assert (outcome assessment). I don't think it changes the meaning at all. You've successfully diverted some on this forum from the idiocy of her statement, but not all. Then WHY did the right wingers remove them from the video? THEY clearly must have thought the extra words meant something or they wouldn't have hacked them from the sentence. That's the best you can do? I was expecting you to try and explain how the full context of her statement shows how it wasn't delivered by a half-wit. I think she sounds even more stupid with the rest of the sentence there. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I don't think the words at the end of the sentence change them to mean what you assert (outcome assessment). I don't think it changes the meaning at all. You've successfully diverted some on this forum from the idiocy of her statement, but not all. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

The president thinks that if he gives his 49th speech on health care, that it will finally edumacate everyone and they will agree that all the opposition to it is based on evil-doers spreading lies. The first 48 speeches weren't sufficient, one more will do the trick. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I heard the driver saying he was afraid of what would happen if he put it in neutral or turned it off, afraid of losing power steering or locking the wheels up (if the engine seized up I suppose). Obviously lame misplaced fear, but I suppose understandable among the non-mechanically inclined. Regarding the old Audi accel issue, it may have been that people were pushing down on both the brake and gas with just one foot. I've done it on occasion, especially with big boots on (realizing what was happening in time to fix it). That risk of pushing on both simultaneously is why there should be a considerable lateral distance between the pedals. When you have the engine running with an open throttle, there is not much engine vacuum, so not much brake assist. Very different than stopping a car with a closed throttle/high vacuum. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

The capacity for people to be stupid should not be underestimated. Either that, or it was a conspiracy against Toyota, maybe they'll sue for emotional distress. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I'm surprised that cad plated hardware is still available, or at least that it isn't so expensive because of the toxic nature of cadmium that it would fall out of fashion for cost reasons if nothing else. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am