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Is it his blue eyes and ability to drift a chute 100 miles (Vern Jones) that makes him native..

My view is that when we see Cooper for real, we will clearly see what the witnesses saw.. not a guy with a tan, not a Norwegian or an Italian... We will see a guy that resembles the sketch AND has obvious Latin/Mexican/Native Am features and characteristics. He is probably mixed race or just has that look. The sketch B is the best composite they could come up with, anybody close should pass the sketch test. The flaw is that it is limiting being front only and just a sketch that many people resemble... Cooper was nondescript and unmemorable.. Many of the suspects that resemble the sketch have some unique characteristic that Cooper did not have. The next test is the witness testimony.. Pass that and we move to other evidence. Vordahl resembles the sketch but he does not exhibit the characteristics in the witness testimony, does that eliminate him, no, but it is knock against. The profile image (if accurate) does eliminate him, IMO..

I doubt you will actually put me on ignore, your ego won't do it. I appreciate good humour or the odd jab when it is based in truth.. You repeatedly default to a personal attack,, you haven't done this with anyone else. It isn't about contradicting or disagreements, you are disrespectful and immature, probably because you perceive my criticisms as a threat.

Why do you find it necessary to lie.. Is this what passes for normal behaviour now? The guy has personally attacked me with malice 4 or 5 times already..

12 letters matches Labissionere.. He also mentioned no moustache in his testimony, that matches this doc..

Black and white photos are poor for showing complexion, but those home films from the 50's/60's are terrible.. My aunt had one of those cameras and filmed everything. I recently converted some to DVD.. I even had the working projector, watching with the projector all the tones were dark, everybody had a darker complexion, it was not accurate at all. These things were very light sensitive. When I got the film converted to digital on DVD the tones were even darker.. These films were just not tonally accurate.

Remember, ridicule isn't actually an argument.. it is a sign of weakness. I do enjoy jokes when they based in truth, when they are not it is a personal attack.. If you keep up this BS personal crap you will be reported every time from now on, that is about 4x now. I will send them all to the mods. I won't put up with this childish crap. The mods here are not as generous as other forums. If you want to act immature there are lots of other places for children.

I go by the witnesses and what I see in that Vordahl image.. You guys are all over the map trying to discredit the evidence to make Vordahl fit.. Do you honestly see Latin(o)/Mexican/Native American in that Vordahl image.. No, you don't so you then attack the witnesses.. or me. Now,, if you want to claim the witnesses were mistaken or just the ones that don't fit your narrative then anybody can be Cooper, right. Cooper was described by witnesses as Latin/Mexican/Native Am.. TRUE Norwegian Vordahl does not present with those characteristics. TRUE Conclusion.... Vordahl is not Cooper.. Checkmate boys.

In the files Gregory got two things wrong, Tina's hair colour and his seat row number, though he got the seat position right. The error may have been in the interview process or note taking.. there are lots of those in the files. Gregory's errors are insignificant and do not negate his testimony.. Why, because all of the rest of Gregory's testimony is corroborated by the other witnesses. Mitchell moved up and left Gregory the closest to Cooper and Gregory knew something was up. When he went to leave the plane he took a good look at Cooper from in front within 6-8 feet.. Mitchell never looked at Cooper with suspicion or knowing something was up and he was positioned for a profile view, probably why he got the turkey neck thing. Gregory said 1/4 Mexican/American Indian blood.. that is virtually the same as Latin or what later became.. Latino. They are effectively the same. If we saw Cooper we would readily see part Latin(o)/Mexican/Native American in his facial features/characteristics.. The FBI says olive complexion, latin appearance.. because that is what the witnesses said.

You see what you want to see. Vordahl does not look Latin/Mexican/Indian in those images. You either go by the witnesses or you don't.. even the FBI said "olive complexion, latin appearance" There is a big difference between Native American and Italian..

What do you mean too much emphasis, you make no sense. More than one witness saw those characteristics therefore we should see them in an image of "Cooper". Vordahl doesn't have those characteristics.. In the vid he looks like he might be Italian, sort of, but nobody looks at that image and says Latin/Mex/Indian.. that was my argument. There was no "Latino" term used then, they used "Latin Appearance", not freakin Norwegian.. and Latin Americans were called white/caucasian.. that is a red herring.

So, you are claiming Vordahl doesn't look latin?? and Latin guys don't look Latin.. it is a bad pic. This makes my case.. Cooper looked Latin American.

You argument is contradicting. You claimed Cooper didn't have Latino/Mexican/Indian characteristics but now you claim Vordahl does.. Your logic is a hot mess.. I am not overselling anything, if anybody wants to believe Cooper didn't have those characteristics then I say good luck.. Read the files, it is clear.

You are the ones cherry picking.. it isn't one.. One said Mexican/Indian but more said Latin.. they are very similar and are consistent. Descent and blood means mixed race.. the FBI suggested investigating Mexican connections.. not Italian or Norwegian. But, you guys make a grave error,, Gregory said White and 1/4 Mexican/Native because they aren't mutually exclusive. Back then there was no "Latino".. Latin American's were white/caucasian.. You guys are using a false premise to conclude that white meant NOT Latino, it didn't back then.. Even Hahneman was described as white, dark swarthy complexion, Latin... I am following the evidence.. what the hell are you guys doing.

Mitchell mostly saw a profile, almost everyone else used dark/olive/swarthy that makes Mitchell the outlier. Tina claimed she didn't see his face AND misled the case with sketch A which was mostly her version.. She is compromised for some reason.. Flo said Latin descent.. there was no "Latino" term used then.. Flo's image does have Latin/Mexican/Native American features.. Gregory was the closest to Cooper and about 3 or 4 seats away when the plane landed and when he left he took a good look.. I went through all the witness statements on this and it was not only complexion.. even the FBI noted this.. YOU guys are downplaying the evidence.. and cherry picking. Nobody said Italian.. or dark Norwegian... they were largely consistent. Latin (Latino), Mexican and Native American are very similar.. So, my point is correct, there is no Latin/Mexican/Native American in Vordahl's image,, you guys have shifted the argument to Cooper didn't.. If your argument is that Cooper didn't have those characteristics then Vordahl is not Cooper.

Read the Files.. they aren't guessing at the complexion.

It isn't just the complexion.. it is "appearance" and "characteristics", "the latin type", "Indian or Mexican blood", "latin descent", "possible Mexican", "believed unsub was Mexican American" etc..... Italians are swarthy, sometimes dark.... Vordahl looks more Italian in that vid.. Sketch B was created to try to capture the complexion and some witness changes but it is still just a sketch.. The FBI considered doing a profile sketch,, they should have, a front face sketch is limiting. I see no hint of (Latino)/Mexican/American Indian in Vordahl's image.. IMO, based on witness statements, Cooper has "Latino"/Mexican/Native American features/appearance that is obvious.... he may be mixed race or just have that look.. but it would be obvious.

There is no Latin American/Mexican/Native American in any of those photos.. not just the swarthy part,, all of it.. features, characteristics and complexion.. If you see all of those desriptions, then I vehemently disagree,, his skin tone looks a bit darker in the vids but photos/movies from that era are like that.. Even with that, there is no way witnesses would describe him as they did.. For witnesses to give a description it would be obvious... Latino wasn't used back then,, So, (Latino)/Mexican/Native American... all similar features.. You see that? No Way.

That is why I qualified it with "if accurate",, I know a single image can be misleading.. there is no way witnesses missed that lower and lip and jaw... Though he resembles the composite sketch,, he doesn't fit the witness descriptions of dark, olive, latin, swarthy, Mexican/Native American features and complexion... I can't see witnesses coming up with those desriptors from those images. To use those descriptors it should be obvious,,

Yup. Same with smokers, usually the dominant hand but not exclusively.. That said, is anybody claiming Vordahl was left handed? If olemisscub was pushing the possibility before disclosing his suspect, that is suspicious. I can't get past this image if it is accurate.. that is an obvious distinguishing characteristic no witness would miss.. His lower lip is massive and his lower jaw extends.. It is not a "sort of protruding lower lip"..

Yes, your comment makes sense now.. olemisscub was suggesting Cooper MAY have been a lefty here on this forum.. while he had Vordahl as a suspect.. Did they claim Vordahl was a lefty?

I am not sure what the context is for the comment,, the evidence strongly suggests Cooper was right handed.. unless the Vordahl crew think he was a lefty.. I don't know. Ulis spent years claiming Cooper was left handed because Sheridan was..

I brought it up when I found a report that the flow can reverse up to Sauvie Island and it was mentioned as a possibility by an FBI agent.. but the problem is the money sinks and the reversal cycle time and speed is too short.. There was clamshell dredging from the mouth of the Lewis to the mouth of the Columbia and spoils were dumped upstream above TBAR,,

Two points.. The particle pattern on Cooper's tie isn't uniform and random vs the Boeing tie, there is a pattern.. and there are particles on the shorter back piece... These suggest many of the particles were not obtained while it was worn.

I posted this a while back.. speculating on the patterns.. The bottom one is the Boeing tie, particle distribution (UV) is fairly even.. The Cooper tie above is not. There is an underlying even distribution with an overlay of what looks like contact marks across the tie or perhaps the tie was laid on something.. IMO, it looks like some of those concentrated particle distribution marks may have been deposited when the tie was not being worn.