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She probably made up the confession,, Jo said it all came to her when she read Gunther's book and the name "Dan Cooper" was used not DB and Duane had said "Dan Cooper" (she claims).. the use of Dan instead of DB started it, but "Dan Cooper" was used in the media soon after the hijacking though "DB" was more common.

Different Alyce Gorley... An "Alyce Mae Gorley" lived in Texas... https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92011096/alyce-mae-gorley

Yup, she made it all up.. Prior, she was constantly messaging me trying to push Duane..... but I rejected her narrative. She was very manipulative. My dad died suddenly and I left the Vortex for a few years, when I came back the forum was locked.. She was very good at manipulating people... IMO, Duane was the victim in that relationship.. and there is no way he was Cooper.

Probably to plug CooperCon.. But, there are three different RemCru related suspects now..

I noted Himmelsbach in my request.. I've also noticed that sometimes we discuss things that soon pop up in the files.. like they are toying with us.. Well they won't win....

That is odd about the name... adding Gunther's middle name means they have something on him.. As for Jo, she is unreliable.. She contacted me years ago and tried to convince me Duane was Cooper, she was very manipulative but when I rejected Duane she started lying about me to discredit me.. She is like the Gunther book, mostly fiction.. but what part is true?

Jo weber claimed to have talked to Gunther about the book,, Jo did have a reputation and skill at contacting and talking to people.. this is probably true. A summary of her posts about the book.. this gets really sketchy as she is unreliable.. and tried to infer Duane was the one who contacted Gunther and his ex was Clara.. Gunther's book was the first she read and she contacted the FBI by page 13. She had many calls and letters with Max Gunther. She claims Gunther had 6 - 45 minute calls with “Clara”, he changed many details. Clara was drunk during the calls. Only the lines and words in quotes are words from Clara. Clara said Cooper looked like Ben Gazzara. Max wrote the mostly fictional book because the FBI did not take his reported contact seriously. Max admitted the book is 99% fiction. Jo said 97% and 98% fiction. Jo claims to have a copy of Gunther’s book marked with the statements Clara made and marked during a call with Gunther. Max made up Clara’s past.

Did you use his middle name in the FOIA?? I used "Max Gunther" but the response had "Max David Gunther".. so how would they know his middle name was David,, either they got it from another FOIA or they found his full name somewhere in their files. I got an initial email saying nothing found but I can opt to have a more extensive search, so I did.. I just received an "official" letter saying nothing found.

Got an official response, the FBI has nothing relating to Max Gunther.

Ulis, NickyB, olemisscub and likely others are chasing the sketchy REMCRU lead.. No, those particles are NOT limited to REMCRU. They are tracking associated titanium alloy inventors... maybe the same person or multiple people... I don't do facebook.. One is Milton B Vordahl... This is like finding KFC chicken on a tie and claiming it was worn by Colonel Sanders... possible but extremely unlikely.

Which other organization?

Are you suggesting an FBI coverup to hide Cooper's identity?

Jo also claimed Cooper had a scar on his left hand... this has never been sourced. Gunther also said Cooper had a scar on the left hand, maybe Jo got it from that book.. a hall of mirrors.. but, never confirmed..

Chaucer,,, "Attached are images from charts that I requested from the National Archives. They are from the Enroute High Altitude charts dated October 14th, 1971. As Dr. Edwards states in the blog post above, it is now conclusive that when the R2 handed off 305 at 7:59pm, he did so to the wrong radar operator. He handed 305 off to the high altitude R16 sector rather than the R4 sector manned by Cliff Ammerman. Eventually, at 8:13 pm, the crew of Flight 305 began communicating with Ammerman as the R5 operator. As a result, if Bill Rataczak shouted "There he goes! Mark it on your shrimp boats!" between 7:59 and 8:13, he was likely speaking into dead air. " After attacking Rataczak's credibility in a now deleted delusional and unhinged video, Chaucer gets something right.. This is what was assumed.. Rataczak said "mark your shrimp boats" into dead air.. so it wasn't recorded. It supports the 8:11-8:13 jump time recorded by Soderlind listening live. The Columbia River landing is DOA..

yes, a few sources.... and nothing reliable or certain. it was pushed by Jo Weber, she claimed Mitchel told her he saw thick socks or long underwear.. Tosaw's book cites Mitchell saying long underwear or whatever was showing over his socks.. agents believed thermal long underwear.. Coffelt's story includes thermal underwear.. So, there is no confirmation of long underwear... Mitchell said in the WHMS interview that he looked geeky, his shoes and socks didn't match,, but he never mentioned long underwear... There is a conflict,, Cooper had ankle high laceless shoes, how could his socks be seen. Conclusion, long underwear is unsubstantiated..

AND.. another nonsense Cooper film, the gift that keeps giving. If everyone is Cooper then nobody is Cooper...

REMCRU

I gave Ulis credit for moving on from Sheridan and you deserve credit for moving on from Klansnic.. He ticked some boxes but didn't really fit the profile..

In this talk, he sounds like he dropped Klansnic..

The Vortex doesn't need any more fictional books about people who aren't Cooper.. Edward's book was the right direction..

Reca is a joke... a big waste of time. Those reviews look like the Reca shill brigade... including Slim King under different name. Bruce should be able to post his Reca book review now.. I noticed Nicky B has dropped Klansnic as a suspect...

There is a piece on a 727 about 8x40" that sits at the end of the stairwell right above the end of the stairs. Can this fall out, possibly. We can only speculate,, there are reports of airstairs falling open, not locking properly there were Boeing airstair tests in the area the part could have been broken and caught/pinched when airstair was closed and worked its way out or, maybe it was just a hoax by the Boeing employee.. It was not the side panel and NORJAK was not missing any other part, so it was not from NORJAK.

8 x 40" matches the trim piece above the stair at the end.. that piece was not missing from NORJAK. Either that piece came loose and fell another 727 off or it was a hoax..

It is relevant.. it is the likely source for Himmelsbach's Cooper claim.. either an intentional or unintentional conflation..

Early 727 airstair side skirts were canvas, later they were fibreglass... NORJAK was canvas. Ulis keeps claiming the fibreglass part found was from NORJAK, it wasn't. NORJAKstairskirt.mov