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I did find the term used, it is a barf bag..

No, it doesn't, Hayden is actually irrelevant here you are clinging to a strawman.. Bottom line is Cossey's description is completely incompatible with the packing card found.. his later claims that HIS chutes were taken from Issaquah and Emrich's statement about only needing to send the fronts support Cossey's error in believing his chute was taken by Cooper and not Hayden's.. That card is from the chute Cooper took... Cossey was describing his chute he thought Cooper used but didn't.

Nope,, You have distorted what Hayden said and meant creating a false premise.. Hayden was shown the description of the chutes in the files that was attributed to him.. he responded saying he didn't agree with the descriptions and didn't talk to the FBI.. Essentially, he meant that description did not come from him.. he never meant that he never ever talked to the FBI because he also relayed the story about an FBI agent rudely giving him his chute back.. So, clearly he knew he had talked to the FBI later.. He was referring to the initial contact and that is documented to have been with Harrison and Halsted. The term "burp sack" is a throwup bag.. Pilots use it, Cossey was also a pilot. As for the "museum chute" the description is somewhat accurate but they had the chute and it was described to Cossey. They didn't need Cossey for the description, he may not have even given that full description. That chute container is a P2-B-24, Cossey never identified it as such. Hayden would not know what a flat circular chute was and if it was in his pack vs a conical for the other one.. these are different types of chutes... that has to have come from Cossey. So, it isn't just the 28' that is different from the #60-9707 card.. the container colour, the harness colour, the chute type (conical vs flat circular), Steinthal, the size, container type NB6 (26' not 24') and it is also a Pioneer. (Hayden thought they were identical/similar) Hayden was not a parachute expert, he bought cheap old emergency rigs to meet minimum regulations, he was never going to use them. Hayden's second rig a 24' was likely the same vintage as the museum rig and not an NB-6 container.. You can't explain away all these differences claiming Hayden misremembered.. that argument doesn't explain the packing card, it still makes no sense. If Hayden said the chute was a 28' when it was actually a 24' that wouldn't change the wildly different description by Cossey. That 24' card belonged to Hayden's second chute, either there was a third backchute involved somehow or my scenario is close to what actually happened. You have basically three descriptions, the initial, Cossey's and the packing card found missing a back chute.. The most reliable is the packing card.. the initial only differs with the size,, Cossey's differs far more... it is incompatible with the packing card.

Seriously, Cossey forgot the colour,, he used the colour to eliminate found chutes. You have to take all the evidence into consideration to sort this out.. My conclusion is that Hayden's chute taken by Cooper was the one for that 2nd packing card,, a July, 1960 - 24 ft Steinthal conical #60-9707 in a Pioneer container, likely, olive drab green. This back pack differs greatly from both the early description and Cossey's. So, how do we rationalize this within all the evidence we have.. Hayden said he didn't talk to the FBI at that time about the chutes or anything, the files clearly state he talked to Harrison and then Halsted. Hayden vehemently disagreed with the FBI descriptions.. Clearly, the initial descriptions did not come from Hayden... He only bought those chutes to meet a regulatory requirement and never intended to use them. He has also stated he was told the chutes were military and he hadn't looked inside at the canopies.. So, he likely wouldn't have known it was a white flat circular chute.. That description did not come from Hayden.. if it didn't then it could have only come from Cossey or somebody who handled the chute right before they went on the plane. We know Cossey was formally interviewed on the 26th.. but his comments infer that he was called after the plane landed in Reno and given the description of the remaining chute. The FBI were trying to call late on the 24th early 25th.. For a person handling the chutes to give the info in that early description they would have had to have pulled and read the cards,, but this is unlikely because they didn't note the serial numbers.. if they pulled the cards before the chutes went on the plane they would have the serial numbers. So, what happened,, that initial description is from Cossey, the olive drab likely from somebody who handled the chutes.. Somebody talked to Cossey on the 24th or very early 25th, he claimed he was the owner of the chutes and his initial descriptions got mistakenly attributed the actual owner Hayden. That is why both the initial and Cossey's description are noted as 28' not 24'... The chute Cooper used was that 24' Pioneer #60-9707. That card had to be Hayden's missing chute. The chute Cooper used. Cossey legitimately believed HIS back chutes from Issaquah were taken, but Hayden's were secured and used Cossey's weren't sent. Cossey didn't know that when he was contacted and gave the description of HIS chute he thought was used.. There is no other way to explain this.. both 28' descriptions came from Cossey except the initial colour. That was the actual colour of Hayden's 2nd chute #60-9707.

The descriptions are NOT consistent.. Besides the container colour,,, Cossey also said sage green nylon harness whereas the initial description was tan soft cotton harness. Hayden denied the initial description.. only two people could claim they would recognize the chutes,, Cossey or Hayden. Then there is the packing card found....

Cossey doesn't describe the chute left behind directly to the FBI, he does in media and those are in the FBI files. If Cossey had described the chute left behind before he had seen that would confirm he remembered the chutes he packed for Hayden and his description of the chute Cooper used would have credibility. He didn't. The smoking gun.. Cossey's story in 2003,, HIS back chutes were taken from Issaquah and used and Cooper used HIS NB6... Is Cossey making it up,,, No, Emrich was asked to grab two fronts and two backs from Issaquah but Hayden's two back chutes were acquired and Emrich only sent the fronts.. Cossey, had assumed Emrich sent HIS back chutes for Cooper when he was contacted by the FBI and asked to describe the missing chute.. Cossey described HIS chute he believed Cooper used.. Cossey just never corrected the error. The FBI had the packing card for the chute Cooper used but never figured it out because they were relying on Cossey and his description. The result is that for over 50 years the FBI was looking for the wrong chute. The initial description of the chute Cooper used never matched Cossey's description.. Hayden said he never talked to the FBI in the early days.. So, that early description came 3rd hand from somebody who talked to Hayden or somebody who saw the chutes just before they went on the plane. The anomaly is that the early description was 28' and the packing card is a 24'..

No, you miss the nuance here. Before he could have seen them, the chutes left behind were described to Cossey on the 26th, and he described the chute Cooper used.. I am interested in the first detailed description from Cossey of the chute left in the plane, not Cooper's chute. Did Cossey give a detailed description of #226 before he examined it??? I haven't had time to do a deep look yet.. my hunch is he never described chute #226 before he saw it...

Cossey inspected the two chutes left on the plane.. The date of that inspection is not clear. It is important. Was it before his description of back chute #226 that was left behind????

In this version, Cooper asked for "small bills"

There was no problem, the initial plotted map had 1 mile error, it was re-evaluated to a half mile error..

Here, Soderlind indicates all three flight crew felt the "pressure bump" THEN checked the Gauge.. found to have a very significant change. IMO, this makes sense, minor oscillations were normal but there was a rapid increase in oscillations on the needle culminating in an extreme measurement corresponding to a pressure bump.. The "pressure bump" and extreme oscillations were simultaneous. There was no time delay between extreme oscillations and pressure bump.

Cossey had claimed the canopy Cooper used was a "flat circular" but the packing card found in the chute left behind (wrong chute) for #60-9707 stated a "conical".. They are not the same.

Not sure about the timing, Cossey was contacted on the 24th, those descriptions are dated 25th... Cossey was also contacted on the 26th. The 26 ft chute was accurate other than the "civilian luxury" part.. Hayden rejected that the description and denied talking to the FBI so it wasn't from him. There are only three ways to get those descriptions.. From Hayden,, he denies talking to the FBI and the description. From Cossey, he was called on the 24th after the chute was found in Reno.. but his description changed from the original description on the 26th. From somebody checking the cards right before the chutes went on the plane.. unlikely because they didn't note the serial numbers. The 26' was correct for #226, but the 28' for the other chute is inconsistent with the 24' on the card for #60-9707.. Maybe, the description was from Cossey on the 24th but got falsely attributed to Hayden.. if so, the 28' came from the same source,, Cossey. Something like, the owner of the chutes was called on the 24th and described the chutes as._____ Cossey claimed he was the owner.. but it was actually Hayden. So, Cossey's description gets attributed to the owner, Hayden.

and if the #60-9707 chute was a 24' as indicated by the card then it wasn't an NB-6.. Cossey was mistaken, he thought the back chutes were going to be taken from Issaquah with the fronts but meanwhile Hayden's back chutes were secured so they told Emrich only to send the fronts. Cossey was contacted the night of the hijacking and told a Pioneer was left so he assumed the chute taken by Cooper was his 28' NB-6... He would have figured out that he was wrong within a day or so but never corrected it,,, He managed to keep the lie going due to the chute confusion.. But because of this they were looking for the wrong chute for over 50 years.

Yup, crazy,, this is what I have been saying for a while.. Cooper must have removed the card from the chute he used,, either he put it in the other chute pocket or somebody found the card on the plane and put it in the pocket.. But, the chute returned to Hayden ended up with the correct #226 card. Cossey really played the FBI and undermined this case.. A 2003 interview.. He was still claiming the back chutes were his from Issaquah and the chute differences were obvious.. Hayden thought they were identical.. We can't rely on Cossey's descriptions at all..

1060 is Lyle Collins Franklin. 1058 is Arthur Durham

Hayden disagreed with the "civilian luxury chute" description so in that context his "identical" comment was referring to them both being military.. The one returned to him was an early 1940's P2,,, old and cheap... It makes sense that he bought the cheapest and minimum emergency chutes for regulations as he never intended to actually use them.. I believe the P2 was both civilian and military... whereas an NB-6 would be military. Based on "civilian luxury" somebody other than Hayden described the chutes.. But, from who or where did those chute descriptions originate.

Hayden disagreed with the chute descriptions in the FBI files and said he never talked to the FBI... Further, Norman emphatically declares that he never spoke directly to the FBI during the parachute delivery nor subsequent investigation, yet, the Bureau’s document claims that their detailed parachute information comes from Norman. Hayden didn't talk to the FBI, he talked to Harrison and Halstad. From Bruce Smith interview.. with Norman and Barry. https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/ Harrison called Hayden, but the latter says that he “was too busy” to deliver the chutes himself directly, so he called a taxi and put his two back parachutes into the cab. He gave the cabbie the address for Harrison at Northwest Orient operations and a receipt book for NWO to sign in confirmation of their “rental” of Hayden’s chutes. Barry says he also had called Norman and advised him that NWO had called him looking for back chutes, and that the matter was “hush-hush” and a “matter of life and death.” Barry also said that NWO’s Harrison did not mention the DB Cooper skyjacking specifically, but he soon deduced the actual circumstances by listening to the radio. “This is a luxury chute?” Norman sighed when I read the FBI document to him, clearly refuting this aspect of the Bureau’s characterization of the “chute not-taken.” In addition, Barry supports Norman’s claim that as far as they know, both back chutes were identical. In fact, Norman seemed a bit dismayed about bureaucratic in-accuracies when I read aloud the FBI description of the two back parachutes and their many differences. Since Barry was there with Norman during Bruce's interview, that means the chute info in the FBI files likely came from Harrison and not directly from Hayden. This summary appears to attribute the chute descriptions to Hayden but he denies the accuracy of the description. Either, it never came from Hayden at all or it was passed though Harrison. It did not go directly from Hayden to the FBI. Since, Hayden disagrees with the description, the description must have come from somebody else.

It isn't, it is a p2, it is written on the container. Those are only 24'..

True,, R99 has always said the WSHM is not an NB-6.. He claims it is a 26' container with a 28' canopy.. it isn't. It is a P2... it is printed on it. The p2 is early 1940's and only comes in a B24,, The p2-B-24 is a 24' container originally with a 24' silk chute.. The card indicates it had a 26' canopy since Cossey packed it in May 1971. The reason the container colours are important is because the initial description of Hayden's other chute, the one Cooper used differed from Cossey's description. Initially, Hayden's chute used by Cooper in documents dated November 25th was described as military Olive Drab w tan cotton civilian type harness. Cossey interviewed on November 26th described it as an NB-6 Sage Green Nylon container and Sage Green nylon harness. IMO, Cossey was describing his NB-6 back chute that he thought was taken from Issaquah. Confused yet... who's on first. I never said this case would be easy..

Like the DMV..

No idea what you are referring to.

There are Sage Green NB-6's.. the flap is the design. They were made by different companies using the same design. Hayden's chute left behind is not an NB-6, it is a P2-B24, hard to find info on it but I found the Pioneer P3 called a civilian chute and also supplied to the military.. So, maybe Hayden's P2 was called a civilian chute because it was both civilian and military whereas the other chute was military only. Hayden would not have known that, which is why he disputed the description in the FBI docs calling it a civilian luxury chute. That suggests the description was falsely attributed to Hayden. We don't know the model of container used by Cooper other than it was a Pioneer. Cossey called it an NB-6, it could have been, we just can't use Cossey's description to confirm. Initially, Hayden's chute used by Cooper in documents dated November 25th was described as military Olive Drab w tan cotton civilian type harness. Cossey interviewed on November 26th described it as an NB-6 Sage Green Nylon container and Sage Green nylon harness. IMO, Cossey was describing his back chute he had assumed was taken from Issaquah but was not. Everybody confused yet.. Cossey's actual Cooper replica chute.. Sage Green

This is getting mixed up.. R99 is correct Hayden told Bruce the chutes were similar not identical in response to the description in the FBI files,, one was described as a civilian luxury type chute and one military... Hayden was inferring they were both military and the description in the FBI description was wrong and not from him. The Pioneer back chute that was left behind in the plane by Cooper went back to Hayden then to the Washington Museum is not an NB6, nobody ever claimed it was. It is a Pioneer P2-B-24 container circa 1942, a 24' foot container originally with a 24' silk canopy, later a 26' canopy. This is chute # 226.. The chute container Cooper used was claimed by Cossey to be his NB6.. after being told that a Pioneer was left in the plane, he assumed it was his NB6. There is no evidence it was an NB6. If it is a 24' as some descriptions indicate, it is not an NB6. The fact that both of Hayden's chutes were Pioneers as indicated on the cards proves that Cossey's assumption was wrong.. Let's be clear,, Cossey claimed one was a Pioneer and one an NB6, when he was told a Pioneer was found he claimed the chute Cooper used was the NB6,, but the two packing cards indicate they were both Pioneers. So, Cossey was incorrect.. IMO, Cossey believed his two back chutes were used from Issaquah..a Pioneer and an NB6. They were not. So, Cossey's claim that Cooper used an NB6 is based on his false assumption. We don't know what the model of chute container that Cooper used. It is very unlikely it was an NB6... MAKE: Pioneer Parachute Co. TYPE: Ripstop Conical (24' Steinthal) SERIAL NO: 60-9707 DATE OF MFR: July, 1960 INSPECTED BY: May 21, 1971 by E J Cossey on riggers license number 159638 PACKING CARD: listed Brown Engineering Company, Post Office Box 1436, Patterson, California, 95363.

Well, Cossey was initially describing his chute.. He was told a Pioneer was left behind in the plane and assumed his NB6 was used by Cooper.. Hayden's P2 was bought at a surplus store with the other one,, if the chute Cooper took was a 24' as the card data indicates then it wasn't an NB6/8 as Cossey claimed.