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Those sealed leather bank satchels are use to transport cash,,, not a knapsack.. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/spokane-seattle-first-nat-bank-leather-loomis-money
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Sure, but let's put the term "knapsack" in the context of a 50 year old ex military guy who is asking for parachutes using WW2 vernacular... Haversack, rucksack, backpack and knapsack,,,, try and sort all those out...
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WW2 era USMC military knapsack,,, Is this what Cooper wanted the money in...
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Not true, non tan WW2 era containers are not rare... lots out there. Generally, tan ones were sold to the public... not exclusively but that is probably why the museum chute was referred to as a civilian chute though it may or may not have been originally. Sage Green was rare and later, the jungle colour, not Olive Drab. The canopy that Cooper used was the newer of the two but the container date is unknown and being Olive Drab does not date it as newer than a tan one. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ww2-us-navy-parachute-container-harness-original https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ww2-pioneer-parachute-1940s-3770612246 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/parachute-type-8-model8-b-type-pack-3843962099 https://www.ogallerie.com/auction-lot/us-military-parachute-model-p3-b-24-by-pioneer-pa_13E4434BC1
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On the bomb,,,, I lean towards it being real but do not believe he would have jumped with it.. too risky and hard to hold/attach. It was probably FBI "propaganda" to suggest the bomb was road flares.. because dynamite wasn't red... dynamite was red or brown. He may have had a concealed weapon as well... no evidence for that.
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Cossey was very specific,, he said it was a customized NB6/8 with a 28' canopy, Sage Green nylon container and harness... He was clearly describing a specific container/chute to him but not the one Cooper used. Perhaps it was his back chute at Issaquah that he incorrectly believed was taken with the fronts... but never corrected it. The other odd thing is,, would Cossey even have a bailout rig?? He was a pilot, but would he use a non steerable bailout rig,, not likely. The container matters because they were searching for the wrong one and people still refer to it as an NB6.... which is extremely unlikely.
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I thought your argument was the container was Sage Green and NB6's are Sage Green.. they are mostly, but I have found some that are also olive drab.. The point is not all Olive Drab containers are NB6's... therefore the colour does not make it an NB6... There are many "vintage" Pioneer parachutes that are not tan and are Olive Drab and not NB6's.. Pioneer P3 - B - 24.. not tan https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/us-ww-2-pioneer-parachute-p3-b-24 The chute Cooper used was a 24' olive drab Pioneer... Given everything, it is extremely unlikely that the chute Cooper used was an NB6... Cossey is the only source for that claim.
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But the green description ONLY came from Cossey. It was initially described as olive drab not green.
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They don't have to match but not at all equivalent, Putting a bigger chute in an older container was common due to the later availability of surplus chutes.. putting a smaller chute in is unheard of for that era. There is no reason for going smaller on a bailout rig. It doesn't make sense. Like putting a 4cyl engine in Corvette.. technically you could do it but it makes no sense. Ask Mark about it.
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Disagree. I am not a rigger but I have asked people and they say it isn't typically done.. It requires many modifications making it not worthwhile. Easier to just put in a 26'. Like dropping a V8 in a Miata.. you can do it but it isn't typical. The chute being a 24' strongly indicates it was not an NB6/8.. (virtually eliminates)
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It is always hard to say things with absolutes in this case. But, I don't see any evidence Cooper was a recreational skydiver.. on the contrary... besides the things mentioned he was 45-50 and at that time it was a young man's sport. A rec jumper that age was extremely rare. The first reports for Cooper's chute were olive drab with a tan cotton harness... Cossey claimed Sage Green nylon with a Sage Green nylon harness... as a 28' modified NB6. A 24' chute is not an NB6.. Cossey's claims are unreliable. Cooper's chute was probably olive drab...
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Why do people keep calling the chute Cooper used an NB6?? It is very unlikely it was an NB6. The only reference is Cossey who claimed it was a modified NB6 to an NB8 with a 28' chute. Cossey also changed the colour from the initial report. Cossey is completely unreliable. Only one of the two back chutes was described as a Pioneer by Cossey, however packing cards describe them both as Pioneer chutes. Pioneer does make NB6's but only the chute left behind was referred to as a Pioneer. Hayden thought they were the same. Also, the packing card missing a back chute was a 24'.. NB6's are 26'.. So, for the chute Cooper used to be an NB6 then that second packing card found in the chute pocket belongs to another chute entirely.. extremely unlikely. The other thing is the chute Cooper used was Haydens' bailout chute,, Hayden was a big guy, there is no reason to believe using a 24' chute would necessarily cause severe injury or death.. Chutes of different sizes can be made to descend at the same rate... A 24' chute doesn't make a jump less survivable. 24' chutes were very common. If they were that bad they wouldn't use them. Using a 24' chute does not infer death or serious injury.
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Even in a bag it it is hard to believe a bundle could make that journey, the rubber bands would have weakened/deteriorated. Problem with the 1974 dredge is that it was a suction dredge, a rubber banded bundle in or out of a bag wouldn't have made through as was found.. The 1974 dredge operation is a red herring, there was shoreline mitigation and material moved up and down the river.. The most likely scenario is that the money went into the river upstream of TBAR in Spring during a water event higher than the money find spot..
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Heisson Store was never confirmed,, it is probably 90%... I looked for other general stores in that area in that era, 10 miles South of the Dam, and didn't find any close. The South Fork Lewis is the river near Heisson that flows to the Columbia. If a high water event caused the money to flow to the Columbia it would end up at the mouth of the Lewis River downstream of TBAR... There were clamshell dredge operations in the Columbia that barged material upstream and dumped above TBAR.. IMO, this is a long shot. It would be hard to imagine a rubber banded bundle of 3-5 packets remaining together for that journey.
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Bourbon and Sprite is a common highball.. 7up is the replacement when Sprite isn't offered. or maybe he asked for soda but they didn't have soda?? Maybe if we knew what Cooper had actually said to Flo...
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Early 70’s Bourbon top hard liquor.. replaced at #1 by Vodka in 1974.. So, the choice of Bourbon tells us nothing. https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/254107297/ MUNCIE EVENING PRESS, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1974 Vodka replaces bourbon as nation's favorite booze; lightness, mixability with flavors credited By RICHARD HUGHES NEW YORK (UPI) - Belly up to the bar, boys, and have a belt of vodka and orange juice. Vodka and orange juice? 'Fraid so. Vodka has just replaced bourbon as the nation's favorite hard alcoholic drink.
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Not interested in participating in your delusions.
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I have never seen any evidence for the card being found on the floor but Tosaw said in his book that Cooper checked the packing cards.. maybe Bruce is going off that and assuming. It is also possible that the 1960 card was put back in the wrong chute pocket by somebody who found the chute and card in the plane.. Hard to know exactly what went down..
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Yes, perhaps the 1957 card wasn't in the pocket.. maybe tossed on the floor.
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You may be reading too much into Tina's account, but here is a link to scans of an extensive library of historical department store catalogs.. maybe Cooper bought his suit or shoes from a major department store.. https://christmas.musetechnical.com
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Reca was a well known serial liar, you admitted that.. He doesn't fit the description, he talks like he has a grade 8 education.. he made many gross errors in his fake confession. You don't need to trust the FBI to eliminate Reca, he does it himself. Cowboy Jeff proves Reca wasn't Cooper.. he said he met somebody in Cle Elum who looked like Reca.. he can't prove it was Reca.. if it wasn't Reca then the entire story is a lie, if it was Reca then he wasn't Cooper because the plane went South not East. The Walter Reca being Cooper narrative is a HOAX. Why do you keep pushing a HOAX. The Reca authors have a reason, what is yours.
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You are the one BUSTED... That path doesn't go East to Cle Elum.. not even close.. The normal route is V-23.. you claimed ALL planes flew East, a lie. Why do you perpetuate the Reca hoax.. nobody with a basic understanding of the case believes it unless they have an ulterior motive.
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There was no DNA in 1971,, they tested the cigarettes for prints which was negative and they disposed of them.. no lie, no conspiracy. You are lying, all planes don't take an East path to Reno.. The normal route is v-23.
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Sure, the FBI lies.. but you need to prove they lied or where they are wrong in this case from the start of the hijacking.. and also prove that everyone else involved lied including live transcripts. You never prove anything because you can't. It is nonsense.. Instead, you cling to a made up story that actually proves Reca was NOT Cooper. So, the Reca story is an actual lie you believe to be true and all the Cooper case evidence is a lie... Not very good for a mentalist or discussions on a forum...
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Discussions with a few who can't accept the facts here are frustrating.. But, that is a bit harsh and hyperbolic...