FLYJACK

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  1. The rubber bands crumbled when touched,,, when the money was picked up. The rubber bands were too brittle to be re-buried...
  2. Wrong as usual Slim... The rubber bands were brittle and crumbled when touched... that proves the money was NOT just buried. The money had been there for some time..
  3. OR,, Cooper gave the ride some cash.... ensuring it wouldn't be reported. I don't see any reason to believe Cooper would not break in to a store for supplies. It is common for fugitives.. that said no way we will know if was him or not.
  4. Possible.. but not obvious. The Polaroid film is weird... the rest doesn't sound like teenagers.. no pop no candy or chips... Did they sell alcohol in Wa corner stores back then? IDK.. Polaroid cameras were kind of expensive then.. film was pricey too... not a teenager thing. Maybe he had a camera at home,, or it was an inventory error by the store. Polaroid cameras were used to make fake ID...
  5. Still weird,, you could take other things for a fire...
  6. You have the sighting of an out of place man walking West matching Cooper under the flightpath at about 8:10 on the map.. FDR detected a little bob at 8:09... Same night, 3.5 miles West on the same road you have a store break in... We can't prove they are connected but it fits better than a random robbery. That theft ring was taking stuff to sell... the store break in was personal.
  7. The condition of the rubber bands makes that impossible.
  8. The problem is.. if he makes it to Woodland at 11:15-30 PM what does he do then... the chances of being spotted are higher.. He needs to find a place to hide out for a while. I don't have a problem with him also doing the Hatfield attempted break in.. I have trouble with the man walking sighting at 11:30... that timing doesn't fit. It would have to be before 10:30..
  9. Route from the man walking sighting.. 12.9 miles 5 hour walk seems too far.. 20 min drive. Maybe he got a ride to Woodland.
  10. Sometimes that is difficult to do.. Lewis R Rd and Fredrickson looking West... nowhere to go..
  11. Found the family home circa 1961... red dot on map Don't have the exact address but found it on a parcel map with names. it is near NW 259th St and NW 24th Ave. Here... https://maps.app.goo.gl/8RCDodCDosXLFUmM8 If this was Cooper and the same person who was seen walking and did the robbery on Lewis R Rd then he would have had to cross the river at Woodland.. the road can lead to the Hatfield home. Ironically, he would have headed straight toward LaCenter. A fugitive might look to hide out in an empty rural property...
  12. sure, but how to you get out of dodge in a rural area.. walk rail tracks or a road and the Lewis R road was the only way out of there. If there are no rail tracks, you have to take that road.
  13. Rt 1 was the predecessor for I5... and I found a reference to Paradise Point for the "family" home" That is probably a post office in Woodland.. The property was rural.
  14. There are two issues there... If he was spotted walking West at 11:30 Lewis R Road and Fredrickson Rd... why did it take 3 hours to get there. and, the store break in 3.5 miles West on Lewis R Rd was at 11:00 ,,, These times are likely guesstimates...
  15. The best I could find was a reference for the Paradise Point area, the Hatfield family home, I couldn't find an exact address.. it matched the 5 miles South of Woodland. Maybe, look up "Jess Hatfield" .. "Cooper" could have gone via Woodland. If he did catch a ride it would most likely be to the next town, Woodland. There are several smaller roads South and the I5 bridge crosses the River to Paradise Point. There is also a rail track that goes from Woodland South with a bridge, it is about 1.5 miles West. That rail track goes down past Vancouver Lake to Vancouver. The only issue I see is the man walking was spotted about 11:30 PM... Though time estimates can be imprecise.
  16. Let's put the pieces together... into a timeline.. At 8:09 - 8:10,, little bob noted on 305's FDR (Cooper at bottom of stairs, possibly jumping) A man in a white shirt and dark suit is seen walking West on Lewis River Rd at Fredrickson Rd... virtually under the flightpath at about 8:10 mark on map. About 11:00 PM.. About 4 miles West.. Store robbery at 3100 Lewis River Rd.. About midnight, an attempted break in at a rural home several miles south of Woodland. The break in would be about 9 miles from the store robbery. It would take about 2 h 15 m to walk 9 milles,, though he may have got a ride to Woodland. It all fits. This is a very good scenario.. Did he have a Polaroid camera, at home??
  17. This is the referenced man walking.. Might be the same incident,, if not it is interesting on its own,, Why take Polaroid film? Is there some alternate uses for Polaroid film,,,, it has silver???
  18. There are infinite theories... and TBAR will never be solved. My top 3 theories all have the a single bundle of packets going into the River in Spring between 72-79, the money tumbles/rolls along the sandy bottom to its find spot which is underwater effectively being the bottom of the River at that time. The River recedes and money is buried in a debris layer...
  19. The quotes for the rubber bands was that they were "intact"... that was an exaggeration and misleading. There were 3 separate packets of 100 bills each found close/touching (one packet a few short)... the dominant narrative in the Vortex was that the three packets arrived individually but were found together. That would mean they were placed there or arrived in a container. How could three separate packets arrive and be together? However, the evidence indicates the packets were rubber banded into a single bundle. As the rubber bands deteriorated the packets would fall slightly apart but still together and touching.. The FBI knows how the money was packaged,, they even stated in a news report that only them and the hijacker knows indicating it was info being held back.. there was no need to ask Tina. So, if the packets were given to Cooper in a single rubber banded bundle and they arrived as a single bundle then that changes the means by which they could have arrived. It could have been a single bundle that came from the river.. Like Chaucer said,, we just don't know how many packets were in the bundle... 3, 4 or 5? I lean toward 3 because only 3 were found, less than $6000 and two packets had rubber band frags.
  20. Made random and to look hastily prepared came from agent Baker and later from Carr..
  21. The term bundle is informal, packet, pack, flat or strap are banking terms for a grouping of 100 bills.. Bundle is a general term for a group,, packet means 100 bills. Brian has used the term packet before.. bundle isn't necessarily wrong, it is just less accurate and informal. It doesn't really matter if the packets were bound paper or rubber or both. I have told you this before. The point is the packets were rubber banded in bundles when given to Cooper.. Brian has never before specifically said all three individual packets had rubber bands each.. His statements were always vague... Brian's recall about the rubber bands is likely incorrect. Tosaw said one packet had no rubber bands. He was heavily involved with Brian and the money at the time. The evidence indicates paper straps. Himmelsbach said straps. The bank guy said straps.. Tina,, etc.. Could some packets have paper and rubber bands, maybe, but irrelevant. The rubber bands were not "intact" as described, that sounds like an exaggeration. The size of the bills was less than 50%, the rubber bands could not be attached to over 50% of the missing bill area.. Brian also said many times the rubber bands crumbled or turned to dust when touched/picked up. There is no way the rubber bands were fully intact around all three packets. The short bundle could not have had rubber bands on the top. Think this through... forget about paper vs rubber bands for now.. Money was given to Cooper in packets of 100 bills.. =$2000 per packet. "Bundles" were randomized in count and rubber banded. To look hastily prepared. 3 packets of $2000 were found on TBAR (one was a little short). The FBI stated the money was in the same order and packaging as given to Cooper. The FBI had the order of the bills from the micro. The FBI said the TBAR money was from one bundle. So, if the "bundles" were randomized in count, it wasn't the packets of 100 that were randomized and rubber banded, it had to be the bundles of packets that was randomized in count. Normally they are in 5 packets per bundle. This is what Carr got wrong before, he stated that each of the 3 "bundles" found on TBAR were randomized in count and therefor rubber banded. He conflated the terms bundles with packets. It could not have been the packets, it had to be the bundles of packets. The packets were 100 bills each in $2000, not randomized in count, and the bundles of packets were randomized and rubber banded, 3, 4 or 5 packets per bundle. That is the take away, paper vs rubber banded packets is largely irrelevant. The money arrived on TBAR as one rubber banded bundle of several packets.. likely 3 packets, but maybe more. How do you get "intact" rubber bands that turned to dust around all 3 heavily eroded packets including a short one. There is less than 50% of the surface area left, top and bottom. The conventional thinking was that the money arrived on TBAR as 3 separate packets... and the means by which it could arrive like that is very limited. This is very unlikely based on the evidence. It most likely arrived as one rubber banded bundle... that is what the evidence indicates regardless of Brian's memory.
  22. That was my initial thought,,, was the SN sprayed on the bills before Cooper got them.. I looked into it. I found that bleach will remove a SN stain.. and SN has been sprayed on ransom money to mark it,,, it turns black due to light exposure.. and becomes useless. but I think that the SN was most likely from a fingerprint process.. Buried bills do turn black in damp conditions.. I do recall Brian previously mentioned that there were blackened bills.. if you look at images of the money it is clear the bills are blackened from silver nitrate. It has a bluish tint.. It was definitely sprayed with SN.. Tom proved that. “Ingram recalls how the bills were stuck together. Some pieces were larger than others. Others had darkened in color. “They still had rubber bands on them,” Ingram says. “I remember picking them up and the rubber band didn’t really break, but it kind of turned to powder. You could tell they hadn’t been touched.” Fazio.. “Prior, though, in his air-conditioned office Al told me he saw a lot of shards of Cooper twenties in all kinds of shapes and sizes, discolored and black, and in various states of decomposition.” https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1986/06/20/fairy-tale-ends-semisweetly-for-finder-of-jet-hijackers-loot/62722983007/ "While smoothing the sand, Brian, then 8, found $6,000 in three crumbling, blackened packets."
  23. Both,, two sources for the black bills. Buried bills can turn black in the right conditions due to damp and mold and Tom found silver nitrate which was used to test for prints.. Silver Nitrate was never mentioned in the files but was a common test method for prints.. So, SN got on the bills at some point... unless they sprayed the ransom with SN before they gave it to Cooper then it would be from the fingerprint testing. Four systems used to test the Cooper money for prints.. no prints found. Buried money. BEP.
  24. Wrongo... This is same problem with Georger,, false claims that I have to waste my time correcting... Why do you people just make up stuff.. I was not banned from Shutter's site... he hit me with a temp ban over a very minor thing, he did that on the fly often back then.. I thought it was completely unwarranted and his misunderstanding,,, So, that was the last straw and I decided to leave permanently and asked for my account to be deleted. I left. Later, Shutter even asked me to return... I am not interested in anything Facebook. It has its place but not for me. There is very little new here... most of the stuff you guys are hitting I had already figured out and I won't be publicly sharing the new stuff I have... And Chaucer, I kept this place alive while you were trashing it.. This is like groundhog day,, I spent years arguing these things alone, even told to shut up about it,, now you guys figure it out like it is new. This was all covered 7 years ago... but the #1 VORTEX researcher still doesn't get it. I always thought there should be a private space for the higher level researchers to discuss things... not to be.. most meaningful contact is done privately. You'd be better off with the #1 VORTEX researcher anyways... just don't ask him about bank bands or packets of 100 bills. It's a trigger.