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Wise words...

I find that most don't actually understand Gunther's book premise.. what he is actually claiming as fact. He did not claim as fact that he was contacted by Cooper or that "Clara's" story was true. Basically, these are what Gunther claims are true. Gunther and others were contacted by somebody claiming to be Cooper. Gunther contacted the FBI and Himmelsbach. Gunther was contacted by a "Clara" and given a narrative.

Why is Nicky deleting posts??

Yes, Cooper had aviation experience and that rules out a lot of suspects.

More info.. The FAA replaced the Civil Aeronautics Administration... They had IFR rules, here an example in 1947... (may be earlier) essentially it says.. ATC has the determination for flight plans. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwibuKfs0NiDAxVxIDQIHfXpDCMQFnoECCYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Frosap.ntl.bts.gov%2Fview%2Fdot%2F52922%2Fdot_52922_DS1.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0V7w-cvOM10CWCE65apAb9&opi=89978449

Agree, this case is riddled with uncertainties... IFR goes way back though,, I agree Cooper had some flying experience and it may be after 1950's but IFR did exist prior so earlier exposure can't be ruled out,, or maybe both. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/history-visual-flight-rules-vfr-world-invention-airpaceaviation https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/about/history/pioneers/First_Instrument_Flight_Doolittle.pdf

This is a push... Cooper.. 1 could have read the label on the cover. He was siting right across in view and there is a label. Look closely. 2 could have researched it prior in case the plane went above 10,000 ft. perhaps on a previous 727 flight 3 could have just been brushing off Tina 4 could have actual 727 experience.. I lean toward 1 or 2 but who knows.

Nobody knows if the bills were spent or not.. or lost.. or hidden?? For people claiming the bills would have been destroyed if in circulation,,, I found a Cooper serial number match to a circulated 1963 $1 bill. L00000004B https://currency.ha.com/itm/small-size/federal-reserve-notes/fr-1901-l-1-1963a-federal-reserve-note-pmg-very-fine-25/a/3516-16537.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115 and a second 1974 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1974-one-dollar-bill-low-serial-1944779999 What are the odds of that???

Yes, I have been checking star notes and some others with unique numbers like repeating digits or sequences with the same premise that people would save them as collectibles... Might consider mentioning the unique numbers as well..

You are confused,, what a surprise.... Electroplating is the process.. you can electroplate an alloy. Pure gold 24k is considered 99%... other gold for example 14k, 18k or 22k are ALLOYS. Eric claimed his tie clasp example was 14k, most of the ones I found that match Cooper's MOP clasp are 18k... an alloy of 75% gold.. We don't know for sure which gold was on the tie clasp.. it was NOT pure gold, it was an alloy. Pure gold is not used on cheap jewelry and pure gold is soft and wears easily.. The gold on the tie clasp is an alloy. PERIOD. The process of electroplating is irrelevant.

What do you think 14k gold is.. AN ALLOY. Do you think they use pure gold on $3.00 tie clasps.. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about and double down, trying insults digs you deeper. Don't waste my time..

So, Ckret was wrong.. Mitchell and Gregory had Cooper under 5' 10"... Cooper was seated almost the entire time.. he stood up to go to the lav when Tina was leaving the plane.. "Miss MUCKLOW furnished the following physical description of the unknown subject, it being noted that Miss MUCKLOW is approximately 5' 8" in height and she observed the hijacker in a seated position except for the brief period when he went to the lavatory." Research on witness recall for height shows that people don't actually know a suspect height but estimate based on averages based on other characteristics. Race, weight, build etc... Also, males are better at estimating a male height than females are... would Gregory and Mitchell estimate Cooper at 5' 9" if he was 6' or taller.. doubt it. but, safe to say Cooper in shoes was taller than Tina... how tall was Tina,,, exactly?

Wrong.. 14k gold is an alloy.. not pure gold. The tie clip was not pure gold. My point is that there is pure gold (99%) and many higher gold alloys that were not from the tie clip..

On the gold... this was convoluted. Gold plating like 14k is an alloy.. the tie clip would have that lower % alloy. The tie had many alloys from 53-99% and even 100% pure gold.. The tie clip would not be the source for the higher % alloys or the pure gold (99%) found on the tie,,, None of these are gold plating on cheap jewelry...

You can try but it won't help.. Height recall is unreliable... and self reported heights are not accurate for wearing shoes.. The best we get is a range... and the FBI used 5' 8" as the lower bound for suspect reported hieghts, so unless you know something that they didn't you are still dealing with dissimilar datasets and estimates. Safe to say Cooper was most likely between 5' 8" and 6' in shoes... Sweet spot is 5' 10".. it would not surprise me if Cooper was "5' 9" to 5" 11" in shoes... self reported height would be less.

Give up.. You need to post the source, the location, the time/date, the wind direction and speed at elevation that you claim.. You have never done that because it doesn't exist, the data is not as precise as you claim.. even Tom said that the wind was more Southerly than thought... the FBI later revised its info to say it was more Southerly.. The wind was shifting between about SSE and SSW even in the balloon data... but there is no actual data for the area and time that Cooper jumped.. You are making claims with a precision that is not expressed in the data...

I am not going to play this stupid game,, I have the data... You know that. You need to show me proof of what you claim.. no more of your nonsense. The reason you won't show it is because it doesn't indicate what you claim..

The tight interior of a plane doesn't give you the normal proportional structures to evaluate a person height... bigger seats, lower ceiling, shorter doors, dimmer lights.. seated.. Think it through.. nobody took a measuring tape to Cooper during the hijacking.. people usually use other known objects to evaluate height. Banks put a measurement beside the door to get an accurate height for robbers. All witnesses were later asked to recall his height, what do they pull during recall.. an impression, not a measurement.. and studies show that people use things like age, dress, build, race to form an impression. Often witnesses just pick an assumed average height based on that impression.. They don't actually remember the height. It is an impression based on many factors. Recall is completely different from looking at somebody and coming up with a height. Nothing is certain but the bias for recall is to over estimate height inside a plane.. The only thing we can use for Cooper is that he was taller in shoes than Tina... so how tall was Tina exactly? I have been looking at weight.. and build. It seems that Cooper's weight and build suggest he was at the lower end of the height range rather than the high end.. but people weighed less back in 1971.. and were on average an inch shorter than today.. In the 60's the average American male was 5' 8" today 5' 9"... I don't think we have enough info to narrow down Cooper's height with any certainty.. Since the FBI used 5' 8" as the lower bound for suspects (reported height) and I can't see any argument otherwise,, I'll go with that.. though IMO, close to 5' 10" in shoes is the sweet spot. It fits the weight and build as well. and the FBI on occasion went below 5' 8" for compelling suspects...

I asked many times for you to show me your data and you never do... I have the data... I am asking for you to show me your data.. because it doesn't say what you think it does. The wind was shifting and the balloon data does not say what you claim. There are balloon measurement and forecasts... A balloon is sent up 2x per day and can drift hundreds of miles and even land within a few hours.. That balloon could have been hundreds of miles away from Cooper's jump location when he jumped... A forecast isn't necessarily accurate. The data I just posted is measurements at the airport, Weather Underground is the same. On ground winds, you are correct ground isn't elevation. However, in the balloon data for the two locations the measurement for ground direction was very close to direction at elevation. The difference was speed increased at elevation.. So, we can use ground wind as a proxy for direction at elevation. It wasn't always exact but very close. So, show me your data and prove me wrong.. My point is that the wind was shifting back and forth between SSE and SSW throughout the day in the area,, and there is no actual data for Cooper's jump location and time.. In other words, the wind direction Cooper encountered when he jumped could have been anywhere between SSE snd SSW... You are claiming a level of precision that does not exist. The weather underground data looks the same but in a different format.. https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KPDX/date/1971-11-24 Measured ground wind Portland at 7PM SE.. at 10PM SSW...

Not sure how accurate this site is, historical weather for Portland. Nov 24 1971 Portland at 8-8:30 PM no precipitation, very light precip at 9 PM. Temp was 45 deg. Ground wind was from the South but shifting slightly through the day and from SE at 7PM to SSW at 10PM.. Weather data showed the data for the direction of ground wind was very similar at elevation but speed increased at elevation. Temp was 45 deg. If accurate for Portland at least.. there was was no precipitation when Cooper jumped and wind was more from the South, not the West.. https://weatherspark.com/h/d/757/1971/11/24/Historical-Weather-on-Wednesday-November-24-1971-in-Portland-Oregon-United-States

You are correct... they don't need to apologize and I am not claiming Cooper had to be under 5' 10" but that a suspect reported under 5' 10" can't be discounted solely based on height.. Olemiss had previously claimed many times Cooper could not be under 5' 10"..

You need to put it the context of Cooper during the hijacking.. Did you hijack a plane? I am 5' 10" in shoes but have never been called 5' 7".. The witnesses range had Cooper from 5' 9".. would two male witnesses estimate a guy who is actually 6 feet as only 5' 9".. the bias is to overstate height. Witness height recall estimates are not that accurate.. witnesses use cues like body shape, race, age and presence to estimate age.. when they lack a comparison object they rely on overall impression during recall.. nobody measured Cooper's height. That isn't the same as somebody standing next to you and guessing your height. Reported heights in passports or DLs are self reported and usually do not include shoes.. So a suspect with a DL height of say 5' 9" would be 1-2" taller in shoes.. That is probably one of the reasons the FBI used 5' 8" as the lower bound.. So, if the FBI used 5' 8" for suspects unless somebody knows something they didn't I'll go with that..

Yes you did, you can't take criticism so you had to claim I got the Flo thing wrong to hit back.. I didn't get it wrong,, you misrepresented what I said to try to discredit me.. you have done it before. It is your MO. I don't care if you have a different opinion, you can't back it up, you have no argument.. If the FBI used 5' 8" as the lower band, what do you know that they didn't ,, Answer,, NOTHING,, your opinion has no merit, might as well just make everything up out of thin air. Ironically, you initially claimed you agreed with the FBI but in reality it is the FBI that you disagree with not me..

What does that have to do with the Cooper case. Are you 5' 10" in shoes? If so you are within Tina's range but Olemiss would eliminate you based based on Tina's estimate... yes, it makes no sense. Cooper was seated almost the entire time. Male witnesses had Cooper from 5' 9" The FBI used 5' 8" as a lower bound for reported suspect heights,, Self reported heights are 1-2" less than in shoes.. Why is this so hard to grasp...

I don't care if you get the height wrong. You just run with that. But, don't try to discredit me with your lies because you can't handle criticism.