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Drink beer then it's target practice time!?? Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

OK. How is your tax paid? Does your employer automatically deduct it from your pay, or are you self-employed and use an accountant to calculate your tax? The best way forward is for you to post whenyou get home. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Hi Jelly, what detail you've given doesn't make it clear. How about posting the whole text of the letter, or scanning them in. That said, UK tax collection usually assures overpayment (depending on what you do for a living and how your tax is paid). More info please, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Not sure if this belongs here or on The Bonfire (In The Bonfire?). Perhaps it's my own politics over the suspension of the Humberside Chief Constable that forces me to place it here. Anyway: http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2004/06/28/new-look-blunkett.html Public applaud new-look RoboBlunkett No-nonsense, hands-on approach by Flash Gorman The UK's visionary home secretary David Blunkett has succeeded in a tactile fumble for the hearts of the nation. In an unprecedented display of support, the population has paid tribute to Blunkett's new policy of personally settling any issue he believes merits immediate action. In a bold move, Blunkett has side-stepped what he describes “all that pissing about with the law and due process” to take on miscreants face-to-face. Political commentators have described Mr Blunkett as being “like a real-life Robocop, expect he’s blind and has a guide dog. And he’s not a seamless fusion of human flesh and cyborg, obviously”. The public first became aware of Mr Blunkett’s radical new methodology when he single-handedly tracked down Public Hooligan Number One, Gary Mann, and offered to sort him out "man-to-man". A fired-up Blunkett — stripped to the waist and wielding a length of motorbike chain — stood outside Mr Mann’s house screaming abuse and Mann avoided a severe beating only after slipping out of the house and walking straight past the home secretary without him noticing. Such a high-profile abuse of his powers has gone down well with the man on the street. “Its about time we had a politician that is prepared to get his hands dirty” and “Good for him, lets hope he sorts out them immigrants next” are just two of the soundbites our seasoned hacks made up in the pub and attributed to the public at large. In an unprecedented display of journalism, The Rockall Times has obtained a leaked memo showing Blunkett’s schedule for next Monday which clearly outline his new no-nonsense approach: 09.00: Warrington B&Q. Mr Blunkett to demand that the manager of the store resigns following allegations of faulty door catches being sold. 10.45: Number 6, Everglade Terrace, Manchester. Mr Blunkett to personally threaten to shove the owner’s stereo up his arse unless he stops playing it in the middle of the night. 12.15: McDonalds, High Street, Birmingham. Mr Blunkett to lob a brick through the window of this food emporium as he has received word that they stopped selling "McBreakfasts" ten minutes early the other day. 13.30: Lunch and 20-minute kick-boxing workout. 14.15: Mr Blunkett to round up illegal immigrants and sending them back where they came from. With a clip round the ear. 16.25: Mr Blunkett to make lightning visit to Humberside police headquarters to personally review the force's tea and coffee-making procedures. 17.15: Mr Blunkett to confront and destroy rogue killer police robot with shoulder-launched missile. 19.00: Mr Blunkett to return to bunker and continue to pore over maps of his intended invasion of Britain. 21.30: Mr Blunkett to retire wearing his favourite Bob the Builder pyjamas. Regardless of the obvious satire, who else thinks Blunkett has "lost it" and should be replaced by his guide dog (if only on the basis that his police protection are now even more likely to stop a bullet for his dog than for him)? Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Hi Girls, The thread I was referring to was in "Speakers Corner": http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1137946;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=6002630 ....and LadySkyDiver's ever increasing demands regarding the properties of the "boxes" I was trying to get her to swap her guns for. Regardless of which, my opinion stands. I would happily crawl over a mile of Nicole Kidmans, Sarah-Michelle Gellars, Charisma Carpenters, Catherine Zeta Jones' Michelle Pfieffers etc... to date any of the lady posters here (if both me and the lady in question were free to do so and not in a relationship). As I said, I'd sooner date a REAL woman than some egotistical, temporarily famous "Icon" simply because with a real woman you can have a REAL relationship. Mike. Edited to add: But in Andrea's case very cute and EXCEPTIONALLY sexy and nice seem inadequate descriptives...

I'm going to go with the flow here. (IF I were free and single) I'd sooner date a Florida Skychick. a real person, not some egotistical "famous" person. I'd want a real life with a REAL woman. So given the choice, I would crawl over Nicole Kidman to get to Skymama. Not so sure about LadySkyDiver though, on another thread she sounds a wee bit demanding Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

That's all I want to know. Let's face it. Lemmings might have lots of sex, they may even have GREAT sex, but I doubt that any increase in either the quantity or quality of the sex over the invertebrates justifies suicide... At least not before I know I'm completely and permanently shagged out, which I'm not yet. So it has to be the "invertebrate" vote for me. No way am I chucking myself off a cliff to my certain death if there's even the slightest chance of more sex. Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

While not wishing to interrupt yet another Iraq War Debate..... Before I vote, am I a lemming with a BASE rig? Otherwise I'd have to vote invertebrate for the greater sex to suicide ratio. Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

As long as the poor "box" doesn't come back Gynophobic and could be quickly reconditioned to the sort of state you'd expect to receive it in?. OF course, there'd have to be a charge for any damage such as hickeys or excessive fingernail marks.... In recompense for the permanent loss of gun, we could offer a "fully domesticated" (cook, vacuum, dust, wash, iron etc...) model. These facilities would of course be in addition to the acceptable standards of appearance, hygiene, and of course... Stamina.

Ahh... Got it now. What you want is not so much "Guns for Boxes", it's more "Guns for tickets for the Box Library". So. Would you swap your guns for such tickets? Maybe not a library, maybe something like the mail order DVD rental thing where you order your Box (or boxes ), keep it for as long as you want, then return the box (still in working condition please!), and get more boxes by return post. So? Does this make the difference for you? Will you swap your guns for boxes? What about all you other ladies here? Does the "Guns for Boxes", or "Box Tickets" scheme appeal? What about you guys? Would you swap your guns for a place in a box? Personally I'm trying to work out how to buy a gun in the US so I can surrender it ! Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Oh no you don't. This is a blatant attempt to just get to play with the boxes for a while! Then, once the "novelty" has worn off you'd no doubt want to return your boxes in a worn out condition and get new boxes, and so on. This is not only against the whole spirit of the scheme, it's downright greedy. Remember... "A box is for life. Not just for Christmas." Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Ahhh... But would you swap your guns for boxes!? Maybe I've FINALLY hit on a "Toys for Guns" type programme that'd be effective.... OK... Ladies, here's the deal. You can surrender your guns in exchange for boxes. Small guns for a small box and big guns for a "big" box. Guys, here's the deal. You can surrender your guns for a place in one of the boxes. Think it'd work? Mike. Editet to add: the offer of a free makeover for both ladies and guys before the "box selection" in the interests of customer satisfaction. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Or for anyone else who lives in a society where private gun ownership is regarded as normal: OK. Hypothetically, you're having to relocate to the UK. Job, relationship, whatever. This is a country where "self defense" basically stops at wearing a "box" when you're playing cricket (a box is a glassfibre and strap contraption worn over the "lower abdomen" to prevent damage by fast balls... or fast damage to balls... One of the two). In moving to a country where private gun ownership is unusual, bordering on illegal, how willing would you be to discard your toys? Would you chuck your job or relationship rather than give up your guns? Would you happily give up your guns to fit in with a society where the normal, law abiding majority, and the vast majority of the criminal element did not possess or use forearms? Mike. PS: Oh yeah... In the best traditions of such debates, here's some "box" pictures..... Enjoy. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Because "Knowledge is Power"!!! Oh Yeah, Check out fact #37... It brings a whole new (and frankly scary) aspect to a previous post of mine about "Suicide Bombers, Paradise, and Virgins". .................. 1. The Black Plague originated in Pakistan and was no more dangerous than a common cold, but had mutated by the time it took to reach europe, to become the famous Black Death. 2. The original character Shaft uses an ivory handled fork as an afro comb, as a tribute to slain Black Panther leader Jeremy Barnes. 3. The original Grimm Brothers' Snow White has an eighth dwarf called Touchy, who represents a lust driven, hormonally charged teenager, as a warning to young girls to remain chaste. 4. Over 70 per cent of the air trapped in bubble wrap is rendered toxic by the plastic fumes given off during the manufacturing process. 5. Ants will only eat other ants if they receive a pheromone signal from the queen, even across species. 6. Ten kilograms of rotting plant matter gives off enough energy to drive a medium sized sedan a full mile. 7. In France during the 1890s it was considered unlucky to see a clown, leading to the notorious underground circus culture that exists there to this very day. 8. During the filming of Apocalypse Now, both Martin Sheen and Laurence Fishburne were bitten by snakes on their left index finger exactly 1 week apart. 9. Marmite was originally produced as a smear on poultice for the british troops during WW1. 10. Singer Cher had over 300 cosmetic surgery procedures, with over half of them to the left side of her nose. 11. It is a present day Mongolian custom to spit into the hand of your host to show gratitude for their hospitality. 12. A pig in Canada was taught to recognise sign language and could understand nearly 50 words, communicating with scientists through grunts, blinks, and nodding of the head. 13. A study in Sweden found bacon to be the tenth healthiest meat, followed by carp. 14. In ancient Greece the largest communal toilet had place for 150 people, in the centre of Athens largest market. 15. In India, the poorest workers break rocks with their hands for less than one American Dollar a day, but outlive middle class Americans by an average of eight years. 16. The dance, the samba, comes from a South American form of martial arts used extensively during the colonial uprisings in the 1600s. 17. Actress Jayne Mansfield was allegedly curse by a satanic cult, and a week later decapitated and killed in a car accident and police had to identify her by her bust measurement as her head was never found. 18. Up to the age of two years, a child's dominant hand usually changes up to six times between left and right. 19. When the Egyptian (or spitting) cobra runs out of venom, which takes around five sprays, it picks up small stones in it's mouth and spits those. 20. The world's first blue guitar was a Fender telecaster made in 1952, when it was sprayed with the wrong paint and almost discarded as a reject, only for blue to go on to become the most popular colour for musical instruments. 21. Depeche Mode has been the most successful pop group from the musically fertile Essex area, which has spawned the Prodigy, Erasure, and Motorhead, and has gone from selling 10 thousand copies of debut single Telephone Sock to 50 million copies of Personal Jesus from the best selling Violator album. 22. Pigeons are the only creature capable of baring young that carry genetic material from neither parent. 23. Rap star DMX refuses to perform live until his entire band and stage crew have kissed his lucky four leafed clover, kept in a portable bullet proof nursery. 24. The gorilla is the only great ape to learn how to play drums in 3/4 (or waltz) time. 25. The biblical character Jesus Christ was invented in the middle ages to sell a brand of flour in Germany. 26. It is widely known that ants farm aphids for their ability to retrieve nutrients from plant sap, but it is less known that they race them for sport and have devised a primitive system of gambling. 27. English metal superstars Iron Maiden took 200 tons of amplifiers on their last European tour - which is twice the weight of the Eiffel tower, and enabling them to be heard in space. 28. The closest living relative to the elephant is the rock rabbit. 29. The original recipe for chocolate contained goat's milk, aniseed and cocaine. 30. The fastest airborne animal is the flying squirrel, with a speed of 40mph. 31. Best selling author Stephen King has been run down twice by a car while walking on the streets near his home in Maine, both times by the same car, with a different driver. 32. A white American 10 year old watches on average a staggering 500 hours of television a week, and sees at least ten full hours of Macdonald advertisments. 33. In 2001 America recycled more than 25 tons of mobile phones. 34. On average men walk three times the distance women do during their lives. 35. The geranium is the only flower that cannot be digested by any animal or insect. 36. The original purpose of the tie was to tether 2 men together for a bare knuckle boxing contest in which biting was allowed. 37. China ejaculates 400 thousand gallons of semen every week night, peaking at a fertile 700 thousand on fridays. 38. Slain Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn gained his glass left eye while working in a mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo. 39. The meat of the Guinea pig is toxic to human beings, causing vomiting, diarrhoea, and fainting if eaten. 40. If you remained motionless for an entire week, your legs would break as soon as you put any weight on them due to lack of oxygenation, which is caused by movement. 41. In parts of Africa, surgeons pack septic wounds with uncooked potato wedges, due to the medicinal properties of potatoes. 42. The record for long distance running was set by an indian woman who ran 1 123 miles over a week, believing that she was being pursued by the ghost of her recently deceased husband. Mike. . 43. The world's first contraceptive was a crude prophylactic made from the skin of a gorilla's finger, discovered in borneo. 44. England's most fertile man, was Michael "Chugsy" Harpendon, who fathered 59 children between 1958 and 1972 with 12 different woman. 45. America's most "haunted" house had 16 different owners over a 2 year period due to the unexplained noises and smells that frequently occurred, until 17th owner discovered a family of blind albino raccoons living in the dry walls. 46. For every kg of red meat you eat, the energy expended during it's digestion ages your heart and liver 2 days. 47. The rhythm of the waltz was originally based on the sideways movement of the hermit crab. 48. Adolf Hitler was born with only 1 testicle, while his stillborn twin brother was born with 3. 49. Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page clinically died for two minutes when he was given an electric shock from his amplifier before a gig in Australia in 1975, causing the rest of the tour to be cancelled. 50. Grizzly bears have a tiny third lung, which regulates the oxygen flow to their epidermis during their hibernation. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Here's the reviews the good old UNBIASED Beeb collected: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3839041.stm The following comments reflect the balance of opinion we have received so far: America is more interested in the Michael Jackson abuse or some other current scandal than real news about our country. If anything, this movie will hopefully get people to do some research themselves and find out what is true and not true. The Bush team has put out so much dis-information and the old technique of bait and switch that it all becomes confusing to know what is real and not real. If the rest of the world can see Bush's record and his lies to the world community then hopefully America will be able to as well come election day, or God help us all. Zach, Seattle, USA Just saw Fahrenheit 9/11.It was a very good movie! I recommend everyone go seeing! I think it was very truthful! The only lies are lies that the Bush Admin spread. Before 9/11 Bush Admin said: Iraq doesn't have WMD and after 9/11 they said Iraq does have WMD! Donnie Bright, Kent, WA I saw the movie this morning. I read most of the information in the news but by putting it all in one place, connecting all the dots and by all of the controversy being created I am hoping more people will get hold of the facts, check them out for themselves and come to their own conclusions. The more people that have the most factual information the better we as a country will be come November. Charles E, New Jersey, USA Have to admit that the movie is actually well made. Question still persists - does it speak to the facts or is it entirely biased? That will continue to be a topic of debate. Vikrant K, Houston, Texas At the end, although inspired, I felt so sad for the people whose lives have been destroyed Chris Edmonds, Walnut Creek My partner and I went to see the film at the Metreon, in San Francisco, last night. We'd bought tickets for the 12.01am showing, as we wanted to see the very first showing in the Bay Area. We arrived at the theatre at about 11.15pm, and the atmosphere was utterly festive! This was more party than late-night-movie-showing. As it turned out, the 12.01am showing sold out (1000+ seats?), so two more theatres were opened for showings at 12.05am and 12.20am. Personally, I thought the film very sad, and hardly propagandistic. Moore is presenting his side of the debate through a series of images, building from the election of 2000 through the current butchery in Iraq; and, as the movie goes forward, the tension and sadness sort of mount, in parallel. At the end, although inspired, I felt so sad for the people whose lives have been destroyed by this criminal regime; but, perhaps more important, I felt almost hopeless, really, because it really seems as if the corruption is so deep that it can never be uprooted. We've lost our country. Chris Edmonds, Walnut Creek, California I saw the first showing of the film available to me and was blown away by the power of it. I was already aware of most all of the facts the movie presented, and I found that the most moving parts of the film where the times when Moore let the words of American soldiers and their loved ones speak for themselves. Even though Moore expresses his opinion a great deal in the film, it is truly a documentary with a strong focus on what has happened to average people in both the US and in Iraq. I advise everyone to see this film. And one more slightly unconnected point: I hope everyone sees the irony of this film being distributed by Lion's Gate Films - a Canadian company. Thank you Canada for doing what so many Americans were afraid to do. Anna Phillips, Lafayette, CA, USA Mr Moore should be able to express himself in any way he likes Tonya, Toronto I am looking forward to seeing this movie. I realize the Michael Moore takes facts and bends them to portray his point of view. But it is after all, his film. While I did not agree with everything in the films Roger and Me and Bowling for Columbine, I did find many of the facts portrayed to ring true. The Bush Administration has been trying to eliminate all negative press concerning his party and himself since taking office. Mr Moore should be able to express himself in any way he likes. That's the wonderful thing about living in democratic countries that allow free speech. Isn't that why Mr Bush and his administration claim to have chosen to invade Iraq in the first place? Tonya, Toronto, Canada It never ceases to amaze me how people can comment and criticize what they have not seen. Many of the respondents filed their remarks before the film even opened. I guess no one has ever accused them of having an open mind. I intend to watch the film and then establish my viewpoint. Jeffrey, Indiana, USA In reading through these comments I was startled at the number of people who state with 100% certainty that this film contains falsehoods. Of those, not even one gave an example or any analysis beyond calling Michael Moore a liar. I wish it had been that easy exposing the lies that led to the Iraq war. Mike, Boulder, USA The movie was biased and mostly one-sided. However, Mr Moore has the right to air his views and speak his mind, which most of my fellow Americans seem to forget. Louis, Miami, FL, USA He will only be preaching to the choir that oppose Bush. I will not be seeing this movie simply because it is packed with outright lies. I would like to see Moore get sued but Bush will probably just ignore him. He will not sway anyone's thinking. Todd, Virginia, USA Slanted? Yes, it expresses his opinion and he's entitled. I'm also seeing more and more Kerry bumper stickers. Gale, San Diego, USA Even if his film was any good I would not see it Chris Benge, Vancouver Michael Moore is such an pretentious self seeking bore that even if his film was any good I would not see it because of my revulsion of him. Chris Benge, Vancouver, Canada Truth always hurts. All those people who detest Mr Moore are completely unaware of America's foreign policies and are the slaves of media. This movie uncovers the truth. America always had strong ties with Saudi Arabia because of its wealth and 9/11 was premeditated and Mr Bush was well aware of it. It was a perfect excuse for him to attack Afghanistan and then later Iraq. Talha, Toronto I don't get you guys. The Bush family relationship with the Saudi Royal family is well established and public record. Everyone who pays attention to such things has always known this. What, because Michael Moore says it, it's all of a sudden not true? How bizarre. Bush could say the sky was green and you guys would back him. Bob, America This movie was made to make people more aware of the behind the scenes activities. I appreciate Moore's perspective, and information. Biased or not, the facts are still facts, no matter how they are presented. Teresa, Houston, Texas It appears that this movie is doing exactly what Mr Moore wanted: creating dialogue. This is the richest debate our country has seen regarding the decisions of this administration. Believing Mr Moore isn't the issue - American policy, the system of government, and election processes are. Thanks to Mr Moore for giving us the space and the impetus to have a discussion in a critical election year. Robyn, Bethlehem, USA What's truly sad is how many people in the general public and media give Moore a free pass for demagoguery. While he acknowledges it to be entertainment, he presents material as irrefutable facts. Just because Moore is polemical from the opposite direction (vs Fox News) doesn't make his film noble, informative, or accurate. He is a disservice to those with legitimate objections and criticism of this flawed administration. Guy, USA While I found Roger and Me to be a provocative piece of work, it was the distorted Bowling for Columbine that showed Mr Moore's true colours. I haven't seen F 9/11 and don't know if I will, but if the trailers are any indication, Mr Moore's erratic slide to the left has continued. Angelo Morata, Chicago, USA Although perhaps not 100% factually accurate, Mr Moore's documentary is a must see for every American as well as the international viewer. The bottom line is not whether Mr Moore is right or wrong, but the fact it will kick start the needed debate on change in American leadership. Axel, Washington DC He carefully chooses the facts that best serve the story he wishes to tell Jon, San Francisco I'm going to see the movie tonight with an open mind. Anyone who knows Michael Moore's work knows that he carefully chooses the facts that best serve the story he wishes to tell. That doesn't mean that there are not other facts that would tell a different story. I do not believe that he lies or tells deliberate falsehoods. He's just economical with the truth. But, can the same be said of President Bush? Ultimately, what does more harm? A film directory who distorts the truth, or a President who distorts the truth? I think that the world is currently seeing the results of the latter. Jon, San Francisco, US (ex-UK) It's a must see for all Americans, and the world too Pugsley, Cleveland, Ohio I saw it last night at a midnight screening. All I can say is this is a powerful film. People who claim Moore is a liar and a bad filmmaker obviously haven't seen the film. Bush is his own worst enemy in this one. 85% of the film is video footage of the President making false claims, telling lies to the public, showing his love for the wealthy Saudis, and generally being a complete pompous ass. The film is touching, funny at times and heart wrenching. It's a must see for all Americans, and the world too. Pugsley, Cleveland, Ohio The movie is slanted, but in the opposite direction of much of the "news" programming available in the US. At least it is humorous, to some extent. It also brings up some scary stuff, such as the fact that many bills which are passed are not even read completely by the lawmakers passing them. It does make one stop and think. Zay Hartigan, Patagonia, USA I will see it tonight, in a sold-out cinema. I can hardly wait to feel even more disenchantment and outrage than I already do. John MacGinnis, Berkeley, CA, USA While I remain undecided whether I'll see Mr Moore's film, I defend his right to have it shown in theatres. What are Republicans so afraid of in this movie that they would resort to such vehement tactics to discredit it? John, Crestwood, Kentucky The movie is really distorted and biased John, Detroit, Michigan I saw the film and I am staunch Kerry supporter. However, I have to be honest; the movie is really distorted and biased. Moore could have made the same film about John Kerry, Tony Blair, or Jacques Chirac and made them all look like corrupt idiots. I don't like Bush, but he is not the person Moore made him out to be. People who want to hate the US or Bush will believe whatever is presented to them true or untrue to justify their hatred. John, Detroit, Michigan I've been a fan of Mr Moore's films and books for some time. I'm looking forward to seeing his latest work. You either love him or hate him. Pro-Bush Americans are always going to say he spreads lies. What Mr Moore is trying to do is open the eyes of these American's to the fact that the Bush administration has brainwashed them into thinking everything is "A Okay", when Bush has ruined this once great country. Josh, Brit living in Tacoma, USA I have booked my ticket for next week in advance. A common criticism of Moore is that his work falls short of journalistic standards and for that reason should be discounted. The problem with this argument is that Moore is not a journalist and by his own admission doesn't make 'news'. He is a film-maker and opinion-peddler who uses established fact in such a way as to articulate his viewpoint. The significance of this film lies in the connection of its message with the majority of ordinary Americans, not in the infallibility of what's being presented, or lack thereof. Moore's film will encourage reflection and debate and is worthy of seeing if only because it acts as a counter to the rose-tinted war presented to us by the American mainstream media, which is too often patriotic at the expense of cold, raw reality. Matthew, Santa Monica, California I can't wait until tonight when I see this movie! My hope is that people here in the USA will see what fools the Bush group is making of them. Dee, Seattle, USA It has no deeper meaning than just being entertainment, Moore's works lack journalistic integrity. Unfortunately the delivery of news through most media has become entertainment, the entertainment of the bias of the recipient. Lisa, San Francisco, Republic of California When will we stop trying to establish sympathetic governments only to have to remove them years later? Demian, NY, USA Mr Moore's movie serves to "straighten out" the "crooked barrel of snakes" that the Iraq war has become. This administration has played on our post 9/11 fears to accomplish an as yet undetermined foreign policy objective. I say undetermined because it changes depending on the day of the week. When will we ever learn to take responsibility? More importantly, when will we stop trying to establish sympathetic governments only to have to remove them years later? Demian, NY, USA This movie is another nail in the coffin of liberalism in America. The number of distortions of facts and pure collages is mind boggling. I would not waste money watching it. Sam, New York Moore lies, Moore propaganda. That is all I can say after having watched this so-called documentary. George, New York City, USA If Moore's intentions are truly patriotic, in that he has true concerns for the direction the USA if headed, and he is doing his best to be honest with this film then I admire, respect and applaud him. If he is slanting or withholding facts to suit a bias or political agenda, or worse simply for financial gain, then I hate and despise his film and his intentions. What is it Michael? I plan to see the film tomorrow. I'll finalise my judgement then. Jason, Detroit, USA Regardless of political perspective, this is an entertaining movie. It should not, however, be viewed as an accurate documentary but rather as pure propaganda. Most Americans have already made up their mind about Michael Moore and I don't see this as impacting the election. If you hate Bush you'll think it's all true. If not, you'll think its just more hot air from a discredited demagogue. Worth the price of admission and a bucket of popcorn if you ask me. Duncan, New Jersey, USA It won't make or break the upcoming elections in any way Ryan Crockett, Chicago, USA This is just a movie, it won't make or break the upcoming elections in any way. Mr Moore has a well-known history of making leftist propaganda pieces, so I don't think that the film will have the "shock value" for Americans that many Europeans have noted. We're already familiar with Mr Moore's character assassination squad from his previous films. My advice: Go see "Shrek 2" instead... Ryan Crockett, Chicago, USA Mr Moore is a gifted filmmaker, though his "documentaries" are more shill for the left, than anything. Nothing he's done has been unbiased, or varied in its view. Anti-gun, anti-Republican, and anti corporation. If it walks, talks, and smells like a Democrat, it usually is. Brian, NYC, USA I'm going to wait for the DVD. Even though I think Moore is vile and dishonest, I enjoy the antics of his films. John, USA Fahrenheit 9/11 is nothing more than the personal view of Michael Moore. He is entitled to his personal views, but the film is nothing more than a piece of political propaganda and should be treated as such! I thought a documentary presented an "objective" opinion. J.S. Dixon, Granby, CT, USA Awesome film! It's time to bring the real criminals to justice. Instead of doing the real job of identifying and helping to reign in the Al-Qaeda threat, Mr Bush has put the world in more danger than before through this illegal and poorly executed war in Iraq. Dave, Irvine, CA, USA Nice try and good luck next time Michael Moore Brian Quinn, Pittsburgh, USA I had the opportunity to watch this film and it had the direct opposite effect on me than Michael Moore's intention. Any semi-intelligent human being can see that his movie is 100 percent biased. If he could have provided a more even-handed approach then it could have had made the impression that he wanted. However, he misses the mark with his obvious hatred. Nice try and good luck next time Michael Moore. Brian Quinn, Pittsburgh, USA I have only seen the trailers at the moment. It does appear to show political corruption in high places and ineptitude at the highest place. Despite being given an "M" rating it is a film all must see. Why? Because it will make one think. It will really do the job of what the press should be doing; asking questions, something that is sadly lacking. We have a tabloid type mentality i.e. the Clinton-Lewinsky affair. That happened years ago. What is happening now, is depicted in Michael Moore's film. See it and decide! Mike, Brisbane, Australia The movie is what I expected: lies and liberal propaganda. Michael Moore represents the radical left and is widely unpopular here in USA, that is why Disney would not show his movie, out of fear of backlash from American consumers. Will, Palm Beach, Florida Of course this movie is propaganda, but that doesn't mean that it is false Nicole, Hillsborough, California The movie is funny, sad and moving. Don't miss it. Any American who thinks George W Bush is a great leader needs to explain why he just sat there in the Florida classroom biting his lip after hearing about the attack on the US. I hope that young Americans are smarter than Britney Spears when she states in the movie "we should just trust him"(GWB). Why? Give me just one good reason. GW Bush is happy to be part of the elite "my base" sending off young poor people to die. For what? Do not say freedom because you are fooling yourself if you do. I think that the Republicans have controlled our media long enough. Of course this movie is propaganda, but that doesn't mean that it is false. Time to fight back and to get back our country! Nicole, Hillsborough, California I saw the film tonight (9:40 p.m., June 25). Only 2 theatres in Boston are showing it - hardly appropriate for the number of people wanting to see it. It was sold out 3 days in advance. The hardest hitting elements of this film to me are the compilation of file-footage video clips of Bush. I don't think Moore has to be untruthful to make the case that Bush is unpresidential - when Bush does that very well himself. Clearly this technique is effective because the republicans are using strong-arm tactics to discredit the film-maker and prevent it from being seen. This film will prevent Bush's re-election - walking out of the theatre I noticed how much debate it sparked. I wish that Moore will release the rest of the material that he has compiled. Paul, Boston, MA It is high time that a bit of reality was seen by the American public. We can not rely on our television news sources, our daily newspapers, and certainly not the Bush administration for the whole truth. Thank you, Michael Moore. See this movie and bring a friend with you! Ransom Baldasare, Austin, TX USA There are important historical images and stories in this film that I can't believe I've never seen in the news Gray, Dallas, Texas Just saw the film and can't believe how slanted the American media has become. There are important historical images and stories in this film that I can't believe I've never seen in the news. Not to give anything away, but the first twenty minutes really opened my eyes. The facts are there. It's hard to deny. Thank you Michael Moore for stirring political debate in this country in hope that our future leaders aren't as inept and incompetent as both the Republican and Democratic leaders clearly are today. Gray, Dallas, Texas Those complaining of "bias", "lies" and "propaganda" are holding Moore to a higher standard then the Bush Administration. Why are you holding a filmmaker (who has never claimed to be neutral) to a higher standard than the president? Carolyn, Menlo Park, California I saw it in Cannes. Nothing new and nothing original. Everybody knows that Bush has less intelligence than a brick. Pedro Sere, Brussels, Belgium I saw Fahrenheit 9-11 today. Don't believe the claim that one person made here, that Michael Moore is 'widely unpopular in America'. That couldn't be further from the truth. The movie is sold out all across America. People are thirsty for the truth. We can't get it from our government. Thankfully we have Mr. Moore to help us wade our way through the mess that Bush has made. The movie is brilliant, powerful and mind-numbing with the facts. Every person who says they truly care about America should see this film. It's not full of lies. It's full of the truth. I can see why it would be hard for a Bush supporter to see this film. If they see it, they will have to admit they were wrong about him. Renee Humphrey, San Diego, CA. USA I watched this film and it has confirmed my belief that as a society, Americans are clueless at times. If people spent as much time reading and comparing information as they do watching reality T.V., our political sector wouldn't be in the current state we find it in. America needs to stop putting these public service officials on pedestals and start holding them accountable for their actions. I am not just talking of Bush either. Washington needs new blood injected into both parties, but we need to start with the thieves in the current administration. Darrel Gilliard, Hoboken, NJ I can't believe that critics are still debating if the movie is good or not. The fact is that if the information in the movie is correct, there is nothing more to talk about. Do the relationships between the Bin Laden and the Bush exist? Are all the corporate corrupted links a true story? There were times when I wanted to throw up. The human cost of the lies told for the benefit of an elite group is disgusting. This is a call for everyone with a conscience to stand and demand that we are heard. Steven, Brooklyn, USA I haven't seen the movie and probably won't get a chance to see it. You see in South Dakota (Republican stronghold) the movie conglomerates have decided not to show the film. The reason they gave was that it is a documentary film and documentary films do not do as well as films like "Spiderman". They claim that there was no politics behind the decision. I find it interesting that the film was given an "R" rating and that conservative groups are trying to stop advertisements for it claiming that showing Bush in the ads makes it a political campaign advertisement!!! Pete, South Dakota, USA Michael Moore is a true national treasure! We need more muck-rakers like him! I only hope this film will open some eyes here in the USA in time for the election on November 2nd. Anyone seeing the film can't help but wonder what Bush was thinking on Sept. 11 as he sat in that elementary school classroom for 7 minutes before the Secret Service insisted he leave! Daniel Nero, Los Angeles USA Comments around me were a mixed bag of surprise, anger, incredulousness and grief Kathy, USA Just got back from seeing it. Sad is the first word that comes to mind. Angry is the second. Comments around me were a mixed bag of surprise, anger, incredulousness and grief. I think the movie expresses a lot of what people are feeling. Worth seeing. Kathy, USA In terms of whether or not Mr. Moore distorts the facts, people will see what they want to see. I thought it is an extremely well made film. The matinee showing that I attended was packed, and people applauded after the film was complete, which I rarely see. J, VA, USA Enjoy, Mike. 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HA!!! Some people (like, say Iona) really should check that I've actually swallowed my meds, and not just hidden them under my tongue. Some people (like, say Iona) really should make sure that the sleeve buckles on my "sleeping" jacket are properly cinched tight. Hi Lisa, Surely this is basically a maths / statistics matter. Perhaps you (and some of the other girls - feel free to contact them) could kind of "keep count" tonight and report back tomorrow. This'll give us some idea of the number of virgins that would be required. OK. This might be a bit embarrassing for some of the girls, not to mention some of the girl's men. If so, then those girls could simply suggest an "appropriate" number of virgins required. We'll do the multiplying by 2.5 as necessary, work out the average, and ultimately arrive at an "Average Virgin Quotient". From there we can reliably assess the "drowning risk". Are you just boasting? Anyway, who ever heard of a virgin going for a girl thinking "tongue"? Anyway, if you and the other girls could help? SURELY Roys Plaything would be up for it, then we'd all, in the interests of science and religious enlightenment of course, be obliged. Oh BUGGER... Iona's caught me... And she's got them 2 male nurses with her. AND their effin' bloody horse needle loaded with "Nighty nighty sleep tight" so i'd better say goodbyyyyyyyyyyyy............. Hi there, Mike will be back in a day or 2 when we've adjusted his meds. Iona xx. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

One last thought as I sit here, now typling with my nose... Should this be moved to the "Women's" forum for some "Expert" input on this situation? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Good Lord, If you're suggesting that Spam E-Mails saying "Cum guzzling sluts love to dring every drop" are in fact messages from Paradise (the REAL paradise, NOT your idea of it), then you're EXACTLY the sort of infidel who deserves a good blowing up..... No. NO. NO.. NO!!!! Not that sort of blowing up... The Semtex sort of blowing up. Mike. Edited to add: I've just been told to take my meds and go to bed in my nice, super long-sleeved jacket... Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Nah... The deal definitely says virgins. Thinking about it as I commence bottle #4, perhaps tha answer lies with SCUBA and a decompression computer... But sex in SCUBA kit ( and I assume that given the increased density and floatation qualities of the environment we're discussing, it means a HEAVY weightbelt), Sex in SCUBA kit is something that's done to say you've done it. There's not that much pleasure involved, what with worrying about how much air you're using if you start to breathe heavily.... Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

No, no. The men get proper, real virgins with all that implies, not the "Doris Day" or "Britney Spears requalified or retread virgins.... So the girls must surely get the same deal. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

No. No. The whole religious thing doesn't allow "Oral Sex", in the case of the religion in question that apparently includes talking about it. Also, the virgins are there to pleasure THE GIRL (in accordance with the goody goody paradise thing), so it's all down to the good old "missionary" position (or whatever it's called there). So the original problem still stands. Even your solution presumes a phenomenal stomach capacity on the part of the girl. Admittedly, following the effects of the Semtex waistcoat you would expect at least a hole in her stomach, if not the stomach now spread over an area the size of Utah, but if, as we are led to believe she'd be in Paradise whole and undamaged, then the term "enough's as good as a feast" applies. Mike. PS: Thinking about your post I now suspect that you were just looking ofr an excuse to talk about oral sex!!!!. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

I'm not sure if this belongs here or in "Speakers Corner", so feel free to move it if appropriate. It's strange what questions suddenly pop into your mind during wine bottle 3 on a Friday Night. Where else should I seek the answers if not my peers. OK. We all know about the current "suicide Bomber deal". You strap on the Semtex Waistcoat, approach the unbelievers, pull the pin and.... BANG!!! There you are, in paradise, with 100 virgins to pleasure you. That's fine. But now they've started using WOMEN suicide bombers. Firstly, within the terms of the religion, is the sort of woman who'll look forward to having sex with 100 men so much that she'll kill herself to do so the sort of girl suitable to go into Paradise in the first place? Secondly, there's the whole "pleasuring" issue. Let's be blunt. As far as the male virgin goes, 2 or 3 strokes and it's like being in the middle of an explosion in a yoghurt factory. That's surely not pleasure. At least not for any woman in my experience. Sure as hell not for a woman who's happy to have sex with 100 men. Can you imagine the infamous "Debbie" of "Debbie does Dallas" fame going OH!! OH! WOW!!!!! on 3 strokes? Me neither. I figure that at an average of 2.5 strokes per virgin it's going to take about 40 or 50 virgins just to get the poor girl warmed up.... By which time, if the quality of virgins in Paradise is to be believed, then surely the poor girl would be in imminent danger of drowning. At the very least, the bed, tent, whatever is going to be pretty near uninhabitable. Will Paradise supply wellingtons? Waders even? Even supplying the girl suicide bombers extra virgins in an effort to guarantee pleasure would not only be unfair to the men in terms of numbers, if not the overall level of satisfaction, but would only exacerbate the whole flooding situation. At this point I wonder if there are dive masks and snorkels readily available in paradise? If anyone could enlighten me about this whole situation I'd be obliged. Thanks in advance, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Just in case someone from the DOD is lurking (or someone in the forces wants to put up a "staff suggestion"... A "Nimitz" class CVN has a deck area around 1,000' X 200' The "boogie" would have to be restricted to folk who can consistently land in say 500' X 200', ideally within 50' of a target. Open canopy by say 4,000' (to cover any "iffy" spots). and an approach circuit to keep well clear of the emergency chopper. Oh yeah... One other thing... Last lift is for folk on ultra fast canopies! ??????? The last lift is the one where they run the spinny things at the back and we see if "your" stilletto97 really IS faster than a CVN . Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

What's the matter with Navy folk skydiving? OK. Admittedly there'd be some risk of tripping over the arrester wires on landing, and the off-landing water hazard can be a bitch..... Maybe they have a licensing restriction on their mobile DZs, you know, like "A" license can only land on CVNs, but if you've got a "D" and proven accuracy then you can go for the chopper deck on a frigate And let's face it, it's a hell of a DZ to list in your logbook...: Jump#: 75, DZ: CVN 68 Nimitz, Aircraft: C2a Greyhound, "hop 'n' pop, surfed the crash nets". Wonder if they'd consider hosting a boogie? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Hi Bill, Yes, a fair bit of it, maybe 35 minutes. Some of what he said was fair (in that I agreed with it), some of it went far too far in what was almost a rant. Then the DVD (don't ask) was ejected and returned. As I said, I don't think it's watchable - disappointing. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.