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Thank you-that is it in a nutshell and as well put as it can be. Not sure why it is supposed to be newsworthy. It isn't like you can't tell. ++ ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I think this is the whole point. Some people don't think "it's fine" unless those ethics and morals and Rita Morales align with their vision. not a lot of "let the parents be parents" attitudes here at all it seems ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

No, I am guiding them to their position on the matter. as do jaybird, rush, jakee and all the others of all these differing beliefs their position as guided by the parent, the child can decide when they are an adult - in the meantime, we choose what they get exposed to as parents. You have more of a smorgasbord, as do I, and those guys do their thing - as is their right that's a form of indoctrination - it's not a bad thing, it just is do you want to force them to take up your style with their kids? if so, then that's a bad advocacy of a different kind of indoctrination ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Oh mighty....possibly conscious or unconscious being of energy, or possibly corporeal, or spirit (if you are so inclined to accept that term). However, if you don't exist, please ignore this message but consider it just a speech of general goodwill.... Please bless/lookupon/ignore/empower this Bachelor Party and or event which you may or may not approve of, if you exist in some form or not. In your name - or my name - or in the name of the pretty girl about to dance on Butter's lap. Either way. Just in case, or not. the end ((I'm good with this)) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

which definition are we using now? Anyway - I have a positive version - You are guiding them to your position on the matter. Isn't that indoctrination? Isn't that also good parenting? If you go with the negative version - nope, it's your kids. But if you force another person to explore all options (example - they only want their kids to be rabid atheists or rabid christians) - then you are espousing indoctrination Indoctrination is about 'who' is doing the teaching (an outsider). Not 'what' is being taught. you're mixing up the two. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

exactly - the media should hoist this up the flagpole and see what comes up. if they aren't laying pipe right now to find the truth, then the entire story line will just go limp. Seriously, just get the driver out and find the facts. A good wood shop teacher could teach better journalism. I'm really running out of material here - where's Jon Stewart when you need him? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I love when pros and antis pick at 'faith' with discussions about 'evidence'. The two, by definition, have no overlapping ground. none, zero, zilch, zip therefore, the whole tactic is completely moot - from both sides ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

How so? you are requiring you child to follow your process and your belief system because it's your kid I have your exact same philosophy. I consider that I am 'correctly' indoctrinating my child in that philosophy (questioning research and skepticism). I think this is the right thing for me to do. Just I think it is none of my business how Rush raises his kids as long as they are respectful of others in public. If I have an issue with kids, I don't correct the kids, I find the parents. Because it's the parents job to raise their kids as they see fit. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

we don't know in this case, it's a moot position from what I've seen, I doubt the school would halt it at all short version - if the student decides to bring it up? no problem no matter what it is - others should respect that just like they should be afforded the same opportunity if they won the stage - even if they see it during rehearsal as well - we are not in the censorship business if the school schedules it specifically, or instructs the student to include it with a treat of punishment? that's a line crossed ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

actually, you are just stating your personal belief - so you are following your belief in YOUR house - based on what "makes sense" to you You cross the line if you go into Rush's house and try to force that process on his kids, just as much if he does it to you ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I think turning any event into a Speaker's Corner debate would be funny. But not really very respectful. Instead, the atheist could have studied harder and become valedictorian and earned a spot on the podium to espouse their favorite, pointless, subjective belief to a captive audience. Get good grades? you get to speak up. Get bad grades? be quiet and sit through it, you had your chance. Seriously. You should hear some of the junk that immature but very self serious high school grads choose to speak at commencements>>>>> I mean, I don't want to hear some snotty kid speak up about "now being an adult and having to SAVE THE PLANET FROM GLOBAL WARMING" but I don't expect equal time to call out her brain washing. It's her moment. EXACT same thing. Let the kids have their moments. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

When they move out It is my house See, I think that's a good answer - children are the responsibility of their parents and parents should get to choose nearly everything - especially stupid subjective stuff like religion. Once the kids are adults, then they should take care of themselves and get to make their own decisions. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I think that, although we could expand on this excellent quote and have fun with it - I prefer this pithy version ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Correct, because if it was a conservative, all the liberals here would be howling about how he's an immoral hypocrite. Apparently it's okay for democrats to be immoral. and hypocrits hey look! same on both sides of the aisle - coool ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

if we want to choose to use the word "indoctrination" in it's most negative sense then: "indoctrination" is the teaching to children beliefs that are counter to the wishes of their parents (who are responsible for that alone) how's that? any other definition is just - indoctrination is teach people something I don't believe in which sucks as a definition ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

indoctrination isn't a bad word, but people take it that way, and some 'indoctrination' is pretty loathsome, but not in terms of raising kids to the parent's values... it's called doing what parents feel is best based on their own personal experiences - the trouble is when there is unsolicited outside influence that the parent isn't allowed to regulate - jayb got to choose his kid's environment so no issue. public schools thumb their noses at the parent's beliefs and indoctrinate according to the great commandments of socialization and NEA funding priorities. I have no issue with a very religious family trying to pass those values onto their children. Ditto for atheists trying to do the same from their faith and indoctrinate their kids. As an agnostic, I try to expose my child to all beliefs so she can decide on her own (of course, colored by my personal level of skeptism) hoping she'll choose to follow suit - isn't that also indoctrinating her to my agnostic values? and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that edit: see you Friday ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I disagree with this bit. (I think the rest of that paragraph is right on). Walmart's correct response is to make good PR on this event as best they can. 1 - Publicize the employee's actions as heroic, but not in keeping with their stated policy. 2 - RETAIN the employee by retraining him on the policy and making him sign that he's retrained and that he will comply with the policy in the future. This info should be part of the public communications. 3 - Make an announcement that they are reviewing the policy for consideration of changing it (but don't actually if that's what they want.) they end up looking like good guys that care about and give 2nd chances to well meaning employees, and they put a little question in the minds of future thieves - it's all good press, and they still get to retain their policies ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

nonsense, congress critters are doing this stuff all the time it seems - just because he has a (D) behind his name doesn't make it laughable that said, I doubt it him in this case, but if it was, I also wouldn't be surprised, either ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

started in Apr of '87 and jumped for a few years - "fun" RW, 20 way in Coolidge, CrW dominated. took off 4-1/2 years while in the Navy (mid 90's) going full speed since '98 now due to fun stuff like: more serious 4 and 8-way, AFF, Tunnels, freeflying, camera (recently - so much more enjoyable/lighter than the VHS camera I used to jump), more dynamic canopies. Every 1000 jumps, I plan to pick up another discipline - and there are plenty still out there for the 'next' steps. Changes since my first round? I do miss impromptu Crw after a dive, and find the PRO and Coach ratings to be pointless exercises in revenue collection. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I disagree - school officials aren't sitting there with a censor button just waiting for stuff to come up. Mostly they are people that want whatever event to go smoothly. Mostly they recognize that kids are headstrong and clumsy. Every time some kid takes the podium and spews out idiotic stuff they think is important, based on their narrow world views, most of the audience will hold their nose and take it, and be glad the kid had guts to at least try (or be quietly embarassed for them - depending on the adults, the kid and the topic). Some validictorian wants to spit out some Wiccan chatter, likely she'd do it and a few suburban types will squirm a bit, but most of the sheep will not even know it happened other than to chatter about it the next day. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Hey - I'm sure you've had it from the beginning. Hell, the title of the thread is "exit separation", rather than "exit delays to enable good separation between groups at opening altitude" which is more accurate to the main concern. But - The "45 degree rule" for exit delays to enable good separation between groups at opening altitude DOES NOT WORK is a bit of a long title.... My english isn't that great either. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Guys - I think NWPoul understands it, but he's using terms in a confusing fashion so it's coming out weird. "separation" in his case he's only talking about "initial freefall separation" that's affected by airspeed of course, but we don't care about that. we care about "opening time separation" - which we also tend to just call "separation" we care about the difference in uppers vs lowers (and their relative directions) - he's calling that 'shear' (another abuse of a very specific term) and seems to be prioritizing lower than freefall separation. When, it's really the biggest effect of them all. in the end - our thumbrules are pretty decent for uppers and lowers in the same direction with uppers higher than lowers and an assumption that lowers are typically landable type speeds (less than 30 mph). the real rule is that drift is super important and needs to be understood by using the full wind profile (rate AND directions) from top to bottom and setting TIME in separation of group exits accordingly so our openings are spaced away from each other (horizontally). I'm grateful our thumbrules are good and I can just look at 'ground speed' at jump run to figure out exit delays. I hate integration. Our pilot always calls out ground speed when we enter jumprun - good man. Though I still look and gauge it myself. as taught by our dear professor and mocked up in various simulations for our enjoyment ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

where's the "Don't give them anything and don't feel much of anything afterward" choice ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

That fact that there is so many choices and philosophies on it is why I nearly always ask for a separate bill. another reason for a separate bill is restaurants that automatically add gratuity for large groups (and the servers that don't point it out hoping to scam extra tips that way). I'd rather stay a small group (that sits at the big table) to keep it honest. another reason is we had a guy at work that would offer to pay by credit card and just collect the cash from the others. It turned out his culture didn't believe in tipping at all, so he'd just pocket any extra. We stopped going out to eat with him. A few of us told him what kind of person he was to be doing that on the stealth as well. HE didn't have to tip if he didn't like to, but it wasn't ok at all to take all our tips away from the server. more stories like that I'll cover my part 100% and do it my way - including when I choose to buy for others too. everybody else are grownups and can handle it too. when we eat 'family style' (shared dishes) we always figure out a total amount plus tip and then split evenly from that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

annoyed? yes - you had a plan and outlined it specifically outraged? no - I'd have taken stuff directly there in the first place. And you didn't really offer anything to her for the request to be her delivery monkey (face it, she might not be as giving or charitable as you, so this wouldn't necessarily come across as such a great deal to her). hungry? sure, I'd like an omelet right about now ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants