ChrisD

I just wanted to point out that someone with the name "Uncle Potato Head" Can post something with the words: "Black" and "Female" in the post. But other (Long term, familiar and well known real people.)users of this forum can't point out, perhaps a little contorversiallly, their views and comments??? I defiantly am from the camp of instant concern about skin color issues. I think the whole subject and the media's demand for anyone of color supports bigotry and other negative anti social stereotypes. You want a wingsuit'er well fine, but I think anyone has a right to ask why you would want a black or whatever anything???? I happen to know a very nice dark skin colored female wingsuit user. And the comments coming out of her mouth right now are not very complimantrary to anyone or any thing. Be carefull for what you wish for considering she is now really pissed! C And there is no fucking way I'm giving out her information without her permission... NO. But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

I just want to go to a steep Golf Course, before they run me off their manicure'd lawn and run like a nut to see if I can get my rig up a foot or two in the air. I'd imagine if I actually launched hundreds of feet into the air, I would shit my pants and remember your fine advice. Too late of course, but you words of wisdom would probably by my last thoughts.... I have no intention to do some of that shit I see in those inspirational vids and canopy flying down the side of Ajax mountain scares the crap out of me. Soo that isn't going to happen. Just think of something like Gilligan or Earnest goes to camp, a little thrill 2 feet in the air for less than a second after struggling for an half an hour or so, covered in sweat for a really short ride... And more likely or not if I go over 2 feet in the air I will probably cut away and break my foot... Have yo ever seen the Alvin cartoon when they give the pep talk to the Eagle? Perhaps before everyones time,... But I'm gonna try that, and then go home. Who knows if it works out you might find gramps on the side of Ajax this year swoopin my speed wing in the snow. But I doubt it.... But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

How do you unequivocally state that this is intentional?? Aside from that this is very unusual, how are you certain that it's intentional? It's apparent that the jumper doesn't know how to deal with the spin, but lack of knowledge doesn't equate to "intentional" in my mind. You are absoulutly correct, I have been caught making a WAG. I owe you another case of DP. On the other hand, I can ask to prove that it wasn't?

This is an awesome posting, Thanks for bringing this to the communities attention.

Exactly my thought when I read the thread title: it's his first jump, what's his point of reference? If the insides of his thighs aren't lovely shades of purple, it isn't a hard opening. +1 C Skydiving isn't for everyone. The pictures are nice, but a reminder to everyone that it's a bit of a RW group and RW groups fall slower as a rule... SERE jumper is right on target as well, I have found some student canopies, esp large ones can be a bit of a wringer as compared with my snivel rolled nose jobs. But then again perspective and experience can help here. How do I know this????? Cause I used to travel a lot and didn't always have a rig to bring with me,...So I got the rental which was more often than not the "student" gear,...and unlike many of you I got to experience some big canopies one day and my rig the next day, some of em were in fact very snappy hang in there and it ceretianly is to your benifite to get in better physical condition, can't hurt

You will get practice with this with your CAT F and H dives. There we will go over the difference between swooping and the delta for the best possible flat track when you start jumping with others. Swooping is a necessary evil, that hopefully you won't really have to worry about for some time. We really can't practice either in the tunnel. The spin in this vid is scarey, it is not normal which is why I feel for any student the sees that. It shouldn't happen, which is why a very experienced jumper pointed this out (Thanks Krisanne.) in the very beginning of this post. Then we have another student concerned that the "G" forces build up to the point that you can't function. AND then we have someone who should know better second this view. This doesn't reflect reality however.... The person in the vid was taught, hopefully, that when freeflying with others the most important thing is to stay with the group so that you don't suddenly "POP UP" and become a collision hazard. It is all too common to see very pooor back flyiers or sit flyiers discover that their skills aren't that good at times like these. The alternative is to do what you have been taught from the biggining which is arch and relax. If you do this the spinning stops but you do pop up compared with head down flying. This is what you are seeing in this vid. They are doing everything they can to stay fast. Recovering by arching is the last thing on this persons mind. Despite what others have to say the speed of this kid spinning is intentional. They are doing something to maintain this speed of rotation. Although I want to say that 99.999 percent of us are not going to ever spin that fast, the potential does exsist for this to happen. You should know that if your unconscious, and a belly flier, that spins like this are not possible. And the G Force thing is just bullshit, rumor, and plain old wrong to keep spreading misinformation like this. I have come out of spins much faster than this, my eyes have been bloodshot, I have thrown up, but through it all and as many others have done as well, we have no issues whatsoever moving our arms to pull. In fact at this point the majority of jumpers out there can get into a high speed turn and then get out of any, and I mean any unusual attitude within FREQUENTLY less than a hundred feet or so. If you want to practice leaving the aircraft in unusual positions, because yo can use the step to generate forces that are otherwise unavailable feel free to do this. My only caution is to make sure you don't jump up and hit the tail. Why do this? Well to use the aircraft as a reference and practice recovering as fast as you can. And believe me, most can recover in incredieeebley short distances. making the kid in this vid a moot issue and a bit of an overblown thing that only the unknowing would be concerned about.... Heck talk to any acrobatic pilot, that has pulled over 6 G's and ask them about G forces. They are not pleasant but you can still function just fine. A spinning skydiver cannot generate these kind of forces because their center is not constant nor can they generate these kinds of forces period. Can a highly loaded canopy gernereate these forces, actually this is a bit of a debate and more to do with the physical condition of the individual jumper. Something about the length of the lines and the forces that a hundred square feet of fabric can generate. It seems as the forces increase the fabric starts to stall. In other words even a malignant canopy can't reach over 6 G's, because of this stall factor. BUT most skydivers are not in any physical condition to withstand much over 2 G's without passing out. Yo won't have to worry about any of this for quite some time. And if the day comes remember to do your ep's before the spinning gets radical anyways, your skyhook MARD will do it's job and have your reserve out in less than a full rotation. Why people hang on to uncontrollable postage stamps is beyond me...but that is a different discussion for another day. Have a talk with ELI and show him this thread, I'm sure you have more to worry about up there than worring about this. Like the vast forest surrounding your DZ. C The Delta is coming up, be paitient, and it isn't taught to students for spin recovery for a reason. But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Rule Number 13: Don't borrow gear. C From the Stripes movie, Francis: "Don't touch my stuff." "I'll kill ya,..." Borrowed Gear? But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

The quality of instruction ends at around jump number 25. At no point is the Delta mentioned in the IRM or the SIM. If it is could you please post the relevant section??? (In any student section.) Odd angles were supposed to be instilled in student's minds well before they progress, and certainly demonstrated before they are released for self supervision. I see no hard arch in any of this vid. I see feet , legs, and arms all over the place.... If in fact this person has about 100 jumps, then they best get some basic refresher jumps in, if in fact they can't recover from a basic instability. We don't teach Delta or tracking in CAT A or any of the CAT jumps. (AS the preferred stability recovery method.) Here is the recovery that is taught: From CAT E. So I'm having a bit of an issue when I hear so many want to teach something that isn't in the SIM. All though I'm not arguing with ya, do whatever works and perhaps spend some jumps practicing this. But please start with going back to basic instability and recovery as outlined in the SIM. I agree completely, if that was in fact some attempt at recovery, then they need some help.... Otherwise you are on your own? C Cause after jump number 25 just where and when do you do this instruction? And just how, does this reflect back upon the instructor after they have demonstrated stability after 5 seconds? But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

You didn't ask about a Pilot, you asked about a Sabre 2. And you asked if you could stick an oversized canopy in an undersized container. How many times do people need to hear that that is a stupid and irresponsible thing to do??? Where is Goonies zKid when you need him???? Obviously you have fallen into the ask around enough and some idiot will tell you what you want to hear. I would be interested in speaking with whomever you have spoken with in DeLand because you have implied something in your post's that isn't true. You have also stated that you didn't like what you heard in an email but you heard something as part of your discussion??? Well I'm not implying anything here. You are a statistic waiting to happen. You are way off base implying you got the ansewere you wanted to hear on the phone. Don't fucking put words into the mouth of the manufacturers by implying that "your all set" after having a phone call to AeroDyne. Anyone who ignores the published charts is on their own,...PERIOD. This is your quote: You are looking for another idiot.... C But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Just wanted to find out when this happened and perhaps get the rest of the story....??? C Begs the question of if this is an incident worth persuing?? Is there anything to be learned from this?? If his canopy was trashed, was it the reserve? Is this more of a student trying to stay freeflying to avoid a collision??? I mean that's what these freeflyers are being taught Right? Stay with the group??? And in their attempts to stay vertical they lost awareness and opened way past opening speed? C I mean other than that, what could have blown the canopy, ??? But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

And I'm going to say that you'd be incorrect. And yes, AFF instructors will (on occasion) find themselves faced with a helicoptering student. I do not dispute in any way that AffI's need to stop spins from time to time. All I'm saying is that based upon this vid, the speed of the tumbling rotation is considerabley faster than a flailing student. Of course there are exceptions and everyone has a story that they "know one time," of.... Do you have any advice for the student that asked the question? Because all yo have done at this point is express doubt regarding the competency of his particular AFFI. Telling every student who has a question to refere back to there AFFI is the same as saying nothing. And to tell a student otherwise by inferring that they need to change dropzones is in fact saying something about this particular vid and implying something that you have no basis or information to say in the first place. So in fact you have answered in some kind of paranoia fashion. On one hand you make a statement about learning without any information. And then immediately make another statement, obviously with some kind of "worldly knowledge" about the DZ?? I asked if anyone from the Ranch wants to comment about this and to date we don't have any answere. I asked this because the Ranch has some fine instructors. It is one of the premiere DZ's in New England, along with SNE, Orange, And Pepperell, my apologies to those other places like Danielson, and CPI....and the other small places that I have forgotten about. Apparently based upon this advice you will be getting some new students Cause the Ranch doesn't know what they are doing???

I'm going to say that the G forces never get that strong that you can't deploy. After more than a few board jumps back in the day and with more than a few intentional turns as fast as you can possibly make them...and graying out.... What can and does happen is the throw up factor. Never mind the disorientation that persists well after you stop. It almost looks as though in the biginining that some of this was intentional and then something happened. Most rag dolls, when they forget everything tend to just tumble. You really have to hold a position for this to happen. Gives new meaning to start coast stop doesn't it? Are you asking what to do if something like this happens to the individual as compared with what an AFF instructor would have done? Because I doubt that any AFF instructor would ever find themselves in this position. Like I said it appears the individual in question is holding some position, perhaps they are having a seizure, other than that just relax, you got yourself into this so get yourself out of it.... I'm going to say it again,...: for this kind of rotation you have to hold it. C How recent is this? It's at the Ranch in NY, and it's the 208, but, was this this year??? But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

For me, anything that approaches the 3" mark is a cause for concern. Considering the cost / benefit ratio. Of course anytime something different happens on opening, per all the manufacturers info, (can you say CYA...) the reccomondation is a no-brainer... PD info, cause it's so easy to find on the web, indicates that lines should last up to 500 jumps, but if something is happening then by all means replace them. This page from the Storm flight Characteristics: Storm You can fast forward to the Line sections.... If it was me I would never let any line get more than 3" from where it is supposed to be, and to suggest lines that are more than 8" out of trim should be used is just asking for stupid to rear its ugly head.... But that's just me... C Now if you have a large Spectre the toggle lines are sometimes modified by the user preference, some other users also modify their toggle line length as well, this is a user preference. I mention this here but this is really a separate discussion. Here is another link that makes for interesting readin: Shoot me But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Apparently you have found some courage to climb out of the trenches and live.... It's a daily fight, isn't it..... Don't look back..... C But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

I just wanted to give the viewing audience a little reminder that in 2012: We lost two wonderful people due to (most likely) helmet snags on their risers. And this is without attaching any fish hooks or boat anchors.... C Just a reminder of what you guys are playing with here..... To Answere Dan, 3M has done exhaustive testing on their "mounting" tape, tape. In fact one popular tape is used to apply the side panels to those tractor trailer bodies and much of the fairings that are so popular these days. The only advice I have regarding dealing with 3M is get on the phone and be persistant, their web site is insane. They have numerous product bullitains and application information. Many of these tapes are stronger than the surface material they are bonding toghther.... Here is a link to get you started: Tape Design guide If you wade thru these you can see that the plastic body of a Go Pro can support loads of up too almost 2000 lbs. in compression, and over 1000 lbs (cm/3) in tension, this far exceeds the capabilities of your neck.... Now for the real scarey part: The visoelastic properties of these tapes ensure their adhesion over time, along the bond line and shear points they absorbe energy to protect their bond. This means over a few milliseconds they could potentially transfer 10,000 lbs of energy per every square inch.... I was under the impression that we wore helmets to make things safer???? Not worse??? But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Kudos to you Matt for being kind: Why do you ask about something that the manufacturer says not to do??? I just don't understand doing that???? Do you want to find someone stupid enough to admit they are risking their lives and the reputation of skydivers as a group to say that doing something that the manufactures don't recommend is ok? You freely admit you are aware of the manufacturers sizing chart, and all of the precautions and cautions associated with improper sizing and yet you persist in quite frankly: reclous behavior! I strongly suspect your response would include some pithy remark about how your being treated as compared with just anserwing your stupid and immature question,... But your question is irresponsible But to answere your question about "help" , I suggest yo quit now before you become a statistic later... But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

I get your point and fully agree that "time" (as in length) of instruction should be increased , but the reasons why are perhaps more important to understand than simply calling it a rest period. Although I fully agree that a "rest period" for a multitude of reasons is a good idea... The first point is that we simply , as humans, don't assimilate lots of material very well, and when that material has a lot of emotion attached, think stress, we don't really retain much at all.... This is why I constantly refer to the fact that: "You can't teach a student skydiver well enough to handle every situation that they may be required to perform." It may not be possible to teach a student everything they need to know especially in the beginning. This is just the facts, it's how we are constructed as humans.... The information required isn't accessible when its needed. It may be there, in some sense, but you can't get to it when it's needed. This is actually well established psych fact, and unfortunatly skydiving instruction is a matter of economics, in this day and age, but it is disturbing that we have so much documented research and practical experience that gets ignored on a large scale. We really do tend to teach and do the things that have been done to us. That doesn't make this right however.... That said: Anything that improves practice time, rehearsal, or whatever is a positive thing...we are really skill building here folks... If some of the "inconveniences" (book learning, etc.) can be further incorporated and rehearsed in our minds this takes some of the load off the student and frees their minds making stuff more accessible and for the most part for those students they have better outcomes. The military has done exhaustive studies, and before they studied the crap out of everything their face value observations told them that the multi day training programs just plain old work better. And all they really have to do is just jump under a round and perform a few basic tasks. We on the other hand ignore this and fully prepare, (for a Cat A) a jumper to handle just about every contingencies we can think of and we want them all to get this in less than, (on average) 4 hours. (Not including jump time.) This is not only wrong when you think about it, it is just stupid and reckless. It really demonstrates a real cavalier attitude on the part of those engaging in this behavior. C Unfortunatly most multi day "Ground Schools" are scheduled in advance but whether the weather co-operates is another matter. This is a poor excuse for a multi day class.... I have been around long enough to see a big shift in how we treat students and an even larger shift regarding skydiving instruction. The move towards getting every penny from a student has costs, cost's that all of us are paying whether we realize this or not. I miss the days when skydivers helped each other. Holding a ridicliously overpriced canopy class and or the vidioes and instructional material hostage is just one example of how things have changed and not for the better. When we can get rid of paid instructors or perhaps find a better way to teach and fund instructors on a larger scale than every tom dick and harry wanting to get rich teaching aff and beyond...this would become a moot question. We are in fact limiting growth and hindering skydiving as a national pastime. They way things are now we have AFF / Coaches in it for the cash, they really aren't going to be able to earn a living but in the mean time this behavior just promotes derision and confusion. But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Of course, the definition of pro-packing is up for grabs as well: HOW TO PRO_PACK FOR REAL C But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Do a search, PD has some nice stuff to read as well, there are a lot of nice vidioes out there...many of my past replys have links, I'm on the road right now and can't do the cut and past thing... A note about the Sabre 2 end cell closures, generally if you wait 5 / 9 seconds they resolve themselves and fully inflate on their own. Sometimes this time is taken up by playing with the risers front or back or whatever....you r occupying yourself doeing something,...and they just inflate on their own....Now I'm not saying you shouldn't pump your toggles here....if that be the case.... But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Thanks for the well thought out responses. I thought we were going to have a discussion about the fuel remaining in the leading edge tanks/ wing tanks if the auto system fails or the pilot forgets to use the transfer switch, basically gravity fed,...how much fuel is remaining. This would have been the appropriate response to counter any King Air fuel out lack of dilligance on the pilots part. Whilst the gauges still reading fuel remaining... I am also glad that you guys pointed out that the original artacal is so poorly written that it doesn't mention which model. Because there are very signifigiant differences between a 350 and a C-12 from 1961. I didn't take the time to point that out either. I am glad that yo took the time to point out that you can run with a defective engine drivin pump,... running ten hours with the idiot light on, but why run with the light on at all??? One of those differences is the syncro features. This could have accounted for some yaw changes as well, depending upon the model. You guys forget about that as well?? So basically if the pre-flight was followed this would not have happened???? 45 min of fuel??? I give it less.... So lets argue about the stupidity of low fuel flight operations, basically not doing a preflight as well, so that we can run the aircraft at or near minimum wt. so we can operate more "efficiently"? With an aircraft that can gross out at MAX 15,000 lbs???? ya that makes a lot of sense, run constantly at min fuel to save a couple of bucks....any body know places where this is the norm??? Another nail in this fellows carrreer coffin? And considering the large number of those that are racking up hours,...BECAUSE they will work for nothing the skydiving record sucks. Allthough I will readaly admit because of the popularity of this aircraft, there are lots of them in all of it's various configurations, because of this they do get into trouble more often by numbers, because there are more of them. But this is my point. To bring attention once again that we have a large number of inexperienced pilots, racking up hours, working for nothing to do so.... Skydivers have a right to ask that their pilots follow the book! And I have a deep concern that the "older" pilots out there don't have the currency because most of them are head cases , they have a tail wheel endorsement from the dark ages, they are not current in stall spin / slow flight at or near gross and every other idiot skydiver I know of just blindly like sheep gets on the aircraft because his or her pilot is the "best." ?????? They are not! Currency makes good pilots. Sending all of your pilots to something like "Flight Safety" each year makes the best pilots. (Now lets talk about why money, and everyones immediate response is that they " can't afford currency training is an issue?) Having recent conventional time is important! but does anyone actually do this??? And while I'm at it we have a population of "day fly'rs," a day flyier is a pilot that only sees sunshine and has the pattern at their respective field memorized. We have a population of head case King Air pilots that are not well rounded, with hundreds of hours in these twins that can't handle proper EP's cause they don't get the opportunity to practice them because of economics. Recencey of practice, knowing what model we are speaking about before "flame on" would have been nice? The devil is in the details, which is why I wrote what I did. C And I actually don't fully understand why we are having this little flying lesson. I took advantage of the lack of detail to point out some areas of confusion in the poorly written NASA / Moffet field news flash, god knows they are trying...considering the fact that they start off with the news flash at the top of the paper with 35 /40 pilots run our of fuel each year??? (That's worse than if they were driving their own autos???) But lets talk about how the FAA and NTSB, and Homeland, and NASA, and ten other agencies are fighting to justify their exsistance to the detrement of the wings programs and real recurrency training???? I do forget sometimes that when I hit the reply/ quote buttons and the fact a reply is frequently just below another persons responses and comments,...that that person infer's that I am speaking dierectly to them,...sometimes I'm making general comments and not always referring to the comments that are immediately above, if this is what has happened ,, i'm sorry....

The older model King Airs (As, Bs) use gauges for the nacelles that are scaled in quarter increments. E, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and FULL. 2 gauges per side, one for nacelle and one for wing. The fuel quantity sending units are resistance based, float operated units that can and do go out of calibration easily. Now if this were a C model it would have one gauge for each side with a switch to select either the nacelle quantity or total quantity for the side. (Wing and nacelle together). If the switch were set to total the pilot could have mistaken it for nacelle quantity thought he he enough in the nacelles when a fair quantity was actually in the wings. Without transferring it the nacelles would have been run dry. And you can see quite easily into the nacelle tank of a King Air thru the filler. You would need a flashlight, but you can see the Boost Pump at the bottom when the tank is full. The one thing with a King Air is that there is only one fuel pick up in the nacelle tank, and that is the Boost Pump which is centered in the middle of the tank (just forward of the gear well). If the decent is steep enough and the fuel level low enough the fuel will slosh forward making the pump then cavitate. I want you to read the following from the FM: "a capacitance fuel gaging system on each side which provides separate quantity readings for each main and auxiliary fuel system;" The wing top filler inlets drain to underneath tanks...YOU CAN"T SEE SHIT looking in them. The "nacelle" tanks don't have fillers....some types have Aux tanks with fillers, you can't see shit into them either....Even in the older pre 100/200 models, fuel transfer is mostly automatic.... Their are no "fuel pump" indicator lights, there are "fuel pressure" idiot lights. I really don't know what the fuck you are speaking about, my PT 6's say you should just go back to playing with your joy stick and leave the flying to real people... My point about skydivers being sheep and thinking that every dummy pilot is the "best" still stands.... You have every right to ask how much recent tail wheel time your pilot has, and if they have none then I would certainly think twice before getting into one of the hawker products with the worst safety record of any twin short of the original 310. And by the way you fucking idiot the boost pumps are shaft driven...that's off the engine shaft in case your version of "Flight Stimulator" didn't tell you that.... C There is an aux electric pump that is under the pilots control, It was not mentioned if the pilot turned it on or not as he / she ran out???? The aux fuel pump is not normally used BTW. To run out of fuel in any King Air is like holding up a sign, no perhaps a billboard that you are quite possibly one of the stupidest people on the planet....never mind the fact that you just also admitted that you took to the air without following the manufacturers advice and regulations. Nevermind busting the FAR's. And this is even before you start the thing spinnin... most all min take off fuel requirments leave yo with about 30 min of fuel, good to the last drop...Even if you fuck the regs...and common sense. Now if your talking about the C90 everything, well mostly nothing above is true, the C90 has nacelle filler and top wing tank fillers, electric pumps, and all the other stuff you mention. Most all float gauges per the insurance company's and 135/121 have been modified... So what's your point??? Even all of the older models came with more reliable gauges. If I remember correctly the floats read in lbs or gallons, while the electronic ones have always read in lbs. And that is "Total" fuel BTW. So how do you stick any one of the ten tanks which have always been standard in King Airs???? And while I'm at it the gauges read to what the selector switch is set to and ya there are two of them: one for the left and one for the right side. The pilot forgot??? You still can't stick the tanks because of the slope!! And for the older models most turn on the boost pumps during TO/land/ and Hot weather just so nothing cavitates! And BTW the whole cavitation thing,...you just held up a sign as well.... So yo want to raise the issue that the aircraft has some issues and it was not the pilots stupididty??? You are way off base. But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

I just wanted to remind folks not to heat rice up in a microwave and put their feet into it as a sleep remedy without some way of measuring the temperature first. In our litagous society Dr Oz just won a victory because some nitwit burned his feet off following tv advice. Makes just as much sense as McDonalds loosing the hot coffee in the crotch case. Speaking of lawsuits, Opeera can now talk about Beef! She won a lawsuit against her when she said beef is killing many Americans, (Obestiality and Cholerestra.) She is and was correct. But the Beef industry sewed her anyways...SHE won,... But it cost her over 3.5 million in legal fees... Boy Am I glad McDonalds dosent serve real beef anymore... But in all seriousness: Don't let your kids heat up those 2 inch jawbreakers candy in the microwave, they litereally explode in your mouth. (And not with flavor.) Another story about a kid in LA eating a hot jawbreaker and dying, hit the airlanes today! Sad. C My point being just a reminder about reading and watching shit on the media, do we really know better, raises the I don't know what I don't know argument,... and how many actually take the next step to learn and or do what it actually takes by practicing EP's on a regular basis. I have heard ad infanatium about how we will miracurasly remember our procedures when and if we may need them... This is total bullshit and delusional thinking. Every psyio study and real life example is full of skills that degrade over time, this is the reality of being a human. But all of you enablers out there continue to spewe out shit that we will remember our EP's when the time comes. FUCKING PRACTICE IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR ASS, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.... But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

Just a few kind and appropriate words for the best outcome and health for President Bush in this trying time. You are in Gods hands now, I pray they lead your medical teams well. I thank you for your service and pray that you have many years with us to come. Your inspired leadership will always be remembered. Get well soon!!! C I had no idea he dodged such a bullet just a few month's past.... But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."