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  1. I guess what I should have asked is, "Do any of you feel a responsibility to ..." I feel like I do, because I support skydiving in general, all aspects of it, all skydiving "disciplines", all instructional programs, all anything. I think that when a particular type of skydiving, instruction, etc. is put in a negative light, that it is bad for the sport in general. It is my understanding that skydivers have begun to be more vocal about safety related things, like not getting on aircraft they don't feel good about. I was wondering if they were feeling like they should be more vocal about how drop zones treat the sport in general, which I assume affects them too. Another (quite hypothetical) situation would be, what if a dz started saying negative things about head down skydiving and that their drop zone did not allow it because they thought it was dangerous, and listed reasons why on their web site. You could simply not jump there, but I am asking if you would feel a responsibility to the sport to call them up for example, and tell them that it hurts skydiving in general. Things like this on web sites could be found by someone searching for ammo to use against another dz, for example, that had a fatality, and the person happened to be doing head down skydiving _before_ they hooked it in under a good canopy. Again, very hypothetical, but stranger things have happened that have affected skydiving in a negative way. (By the way, I ask a lot of questions with hypothetical components. It get people thinking.)
  2. How much responsibility to skydiving in general do you all think we have to comment to drop zones when we see that they are making statements on their web sites or in their advertising that is negative to skydiving or to any particular segment of skydiving?
  3. How to be a Good Passenger in a Jump Plane Note: Original text from an article written for April 1992 Parachutist. Since 1992 our fleet of jump airplanes has changed signifigantly. There are few planes like DC3's in use now which often have "loaders", and many pilots are now spotting airplanes with the help of the navigation equipment that is now more advanced. Please make adjustments for the changing technology. G.P. 2003 This article is written in two parts covering some of the most typical jump plane situations you will experience. The first part will be of interest to new jumpers who are learning to spot and to jumpmaster themselves and who are jumping from small airplanes. The second part is for intermediate jumpers from a small drop zone who may soon consider visiting another drop zone or going to a skydiving event that has larger airplanes. It will also be good review for experienced jumpers who do not jump large airplanes very often and forget how to be a good passenger. Small Airplanes: Loading- Loading a small airplane will become different as you gain more experience in skydiving. You will be doing different exits than you did as a student and will need to be arranged differently in the airplane. First of all, take the advice of more experienced jumpers as to the most efficient place to be for your skydive. If you are in an airplane with students, follow the seating arrangement that the instructor specifies. Be careful as you get near the airplane if the engine is still running. The door of small airplanes is always near the prop and the airplane owner will not appreciate you bending the prop by backing into it. :) The least noisy time during your flight is during loading and is the best time to tell the pilot how high you are going and in what direction you want the jump run. The pilot needs to tell Air Traffic Control how high the plane is going and hopes you won't change your mind too many times on the way up. Tell the pilot if you will being doing Canopy Relative Work or will be opening high for some reason. Pilots don't want to do surprise CRW with canopies they don't know are up that high. The position of the seat belts in the airplane will usually dictate exactly where you will be sitting. If this position is uncomfortable just remember that the Federal Aviation Regulations state only that you must wear them only while the aircraft is in motion on the ground and during takeoff and landing. Make sure that everyone doesn't sit too far to the rear and make the plane out of balance. The pilot would not have much fun flying it in this condition. Ask the pilot for advice on loading if you do not know. Jump Run- When you know it is almost time to jump you will usually be getting to your knees and making final adjustments to your gear. In getting up, try not to pull yourself up by the pilot's rig or pull any important items off the plane in doing so. Check for any part of your gear that may have been moved while getting up in a crowded airplane, especially your hand deploy pilot chute. There should be no need to say very much to a pilot at this point if they were sufficiently briefed on the ground, but be alert and understanding about anything the pilot may say to you. Your jump may be delayed while waiting for another jump plane or from instructions from Air Traffic Control, and those instructions will be hard to hear if you are yelling about why you aren't on jump run yet. Spotting- You will always need to wait for a signal from the pilot before opening the door. If the airspeed is too high the door will receive excessive stress and might even come off. The airplane's owner would be very unhappy with you as well as the home owner whose roof the door lands on. Giving corrections to the pilot on direction of flight can be verbal by saying "5 RIGHT" or "5 LEFT", or by simply pointing in the direction to turn. Most pilots will correct about 5 degrees in the direction you indicate and then level out and wait for further corrections. If you point, make sure your hand is up where the pilot can see it. Try to keep the corrections to a minimum because the pilot probably lined you up on jump run pretty close anyway. If you correct back and forth too many times even the pilot will get lost. :) Most pilots will cut back on the power when you get out, but it is a good idea to call for a "CUT" anyway before exiting. Exiting- Try to exit the airplane and get into your position as quickly as possible so the pilot doesn't have to struggle to keep the airplane right side up. However, be careful not to bump things on the way out like your pilot chute. It is also not wise to lean on the pilot too much just to get that perfect exit position. If you push too hard on the pilot or lean on the yoke of the airplane you will have a very interesting sideways exit. Large Airplanes: Loading- Loading a large plane at a new drop zone or at a large skydiving event will likely be an exciting event for you. There may be several large groups on the plane and you may get the feeling of being herded into the airplane. This is just a sense of urgency on the part of the crew, after all, these larger airplanes are more expensive to operate and must be kept busy in order to make money. Try to do your share by paying attention and helping move things along. Although the props on larger planes are further from the door than on smaller planes there may be more of them and they may be on the sides on the plane where you are not used to avoiding them, so be careful. Many of the largest airplanes will have a crewmember called a "Loader" that is in charge of loading the airplane and determining the exit order of all the groups getting into the plane. The loader is a buffer between the jumpers and the pilot and has to keep the jumpers in line so the pilot can concentrate on more important things like flying. Pay attention to the loader because they will be able to load you as quickly and efficiently as possible. When seating yourself in the airplane you can note how the people ahead of you are seated and follow suit. Seating is usually very cozy in these airplanes even though it looks roomy when you first get in, so sit close. Somes planes have loading lines painted or taped across a rearward section of the airplane and all of the jumpers must be forward of this line. If you see that not everyone is going to fit in this area, you might as well scoot back and tighten it up before you get too comfortable because the loader is going to be mean and make you crowd together anyway. Seat belts will be available and you might have to look carefully to determine which one you should be using. After everyone is seated and you are taxiing out to the runway, take a look around the airplane. There may be a sign somewhere describing the plane's emergency procedures in case of engine failure. You will want to be familiar with these procedures and really follow them if the real thing happens rather than just getting up and running around all excited. Some planes might also have posted a diagram of the drop zone and the jump run for the day. This is important information for the person spotting and helpful to anyone jumping at an unfamiliar airport. Jump Run- When it is time to jump you will be getting up to make final adjustments to your gear. Check for any part of your gear that may have been moved while getting up in a crowded airplane. There may be room in a large airplane to have someone give you a pin check. Even if it is possible to completely stand up in the airplane, don't feel like you must do this until time for your group to line up and exit. This will help reduce crowding in the plane. All adjustments to your gear can be made while kneeling anyway. Try to continue to keep forward of the loading line by not spreading out too much. The airplane may climb better like this and you might just get some extra altitude. Try keeping the noise to a minimum in case you get instructions from the loader or spotter. Spotting- On the larger planes the loader may also do the spotting for the whole load. This is another reason you should pay attention to and be nice to the loader, so you will make it back to the airport. Another possibility is that the pilot may be spotting from up front by using instruments and giving the exit command directly or by relaying the command to the loader. If the load is being spotted by looking out the door, the corrections must be relayed to the pilot who possibly cannot see the spotter. Some airplanes have pushbutton switches on a panel that turn on lights that the pilot can see, or the loader may have a headset to talk to the pilot. If you are spotting you will need to learn how these work ahead of time. If the plane does not use one of these methods, the corrections must be relayed to the pilot by someone sitting near the pilot that can see the spotter. For this to work there must be a clear line of sight up to the cockpit. Do your part by keeping the isle clear. Exiting- Wait until the loader or spotter indicates that it is time for your group to line up and then do it quickly. If you are not in the first group, continue to stay forward until it is time for you to line up. Give the group ahead of you 5 to 10 seconds before your group exits, depending on the winds aloft, but don't be slower than that. The group behind you is using the same spot as you and larger airplanes are flying faster on jump run than smaller ones. You will know when you are taking too long to exit because the group behind you will begin objecting to your excessive delay. Everyone wants to make it back to the airport. Summary: This article has outlined the most common procedures that you will be following when jumping out of most airplanes. Hopefully it has given you some basics on how to be a good passenger on any aircraft whether it be an airplane, a helicopter, or a hot air balloon. If you ever have any questions about the procedures for a particular aircraft, just ask the pilot. They will be glad to help.
  4. Jim, The USPA appointment of S&TA does not give one the right to "ground" a jumper. The DZO (or club President if a club) can certainly do this, but if they are out of town .... The S&TA is an advisor, chosen for their experience and knowledge, of which J.E. has plenty, and their DZO has the same, but it doesn't mean the lesser experienced jumpers are going to take that advice from either. Yes, the title "one swoop seminar = 6-12 months rehab" is a bit rhetorical, but I bet J.E. created it out of frustration :) There are people who are so eager to try something that they have heard about that they don't get any further infomation from anyone else, and just go for it.
  5. I already have of course. Reviews don't show up immediately, so don't let that keep any of you from creating reviews if you feel like you know enough about the book. .
  6. A few weeks ago I took a guy that was part of a group on the same airplane, and he had never flown in an airplane before. They were excited and were bullshitting quite a bit, and the liftoff was very smooth, so he did not notice it right away. When he finally looked out the windshield he had this look of amazement on his face as he said, "Dudes, we're off the ground!" It completely cracked me up. You had to be there. .
  7. Folks, Chris Needels informed members of the USPA BOD and gallery at the July BOD meeting that a book had been published recently (April 2003) that puts skydiving (and skydiving instruction in particular) in a bad light. The book is titled "Jumping Through Clouds, Surviving a Son's First-Jump Skydiving Death", by Jane Melborne. His jump was made at the Massachusetts Sport Parachute Club in 1991, where he miscontrolled his parachute (differently enough from what the instructor on the radio told him), that he landed hard enough to cause injuries from which he later died. So I ordered this book from Amazon. Note: I suggest that if you are interested in the book, that you _not_ buy it, which would allow Ms. Melbourne to profit from the book. Stay tuned and I think you will hear enough about the book by others that have read it to know all you care to know anyway. To summarize, Ms. Melbourne was trying to get legislation passed that would regulate skydiving instruction. For some misguided reason she thought that sport skydiving instruction would be made much safer if it were to be more like military instruction. Unfortunately she found someone in military training at Fort Benning to say things that supported her idea.) Fortunately she did not suceed, (although we all as skydivers must be vigilant to make sure that someone else does not do this at some point). In the process she contacted everyone she could, like the Massachusetts Aeronautics Commission, the FAA, USPA, the Regional Director at the time, etc. The book is filled with inaccuracies (laughable inaccuracies to most skydivers), and she seems to not want to admit that her son was responsible for the accident that caused his death. Some of the more choice things from the book: - She thinks that waivers should not be allowed or mean anything. - She thinks there is much money in skydiving instruction. - She think the FAA "protects" skydiving. - She thinks skydivers are egotistical because they defend skydiving. - She mentioned that Parachutist showed pictures of skydivers "jumping barefoot, jumping without helmets, ... jumping head first". (My gosh, you mean that dangerous head-down flying!) The front cover has a picture of a butterfly. (Yawn...) Appendices include: - The MSPC waiver - The MAC/FAA report - The statement from the MSPC staff An excerpt from the back cover: " A true story.... The book to read before you or someone you love tries skydiving."
  8. Old large-wing FliteSuit. Makes it easy to recover from any unusual attitudes the students help you get into. .
  9. peek

    At Rantoul I...

    At Rantoul I... . Do you guys not look like your pictures or did you just avoid me? . It seems like everyone says they were there but I only met a few of you who came up and introduced yourselves. . LOOP 10 . Went to the LO tent early in the morning . Skydived until dark . Took a shower . Went to the beer trailer . Went to the food tent . Got more beer, listened to the band . Went to sleep at 10PM ENDLOOP . (At the WFFC I'm like an animal with a small territory.) . . Some of the highlights were: . Saw Rob and Vicki Ebbing!!! Saw Marta!!! It was beginning to feel like the early days. . Saw and talked to a few dz.commers that I had never met, like Kallend, Blue, Sangiro, etc. . Went by the dropzone.com tent on drop zone row. Everyone always seemed quite coherent, but of course this was during the day, usually during weather holds. .
  10. I know that many of us WFFC Convention Load Organizers jumped with POPS. I did, and wish I had more. .
  11. > When will you be doing round jumps? Oh, no, not me. That would be Winsor and some others possibly. Hint: To start with, when the winds are low....
  12. Any of you that don't know me, try to come by the Convention Load Organizer sign-up table and say "Hi". If you visit early enough in the morning we can even sit around and bullshit about politics and such. I'm usually quite busy during the day so I don't have time to wander around and find people. Last year I went by the DZ.com tent a number of times, but often there was either no one there or everyone looked rather zoned out. (No surprise there when at night!)
  13. When you say the pictures "aren't that good", I hope you aren't refering to the ones at: http://www.pcprg.com/packing.htm They are only supposed to give a general idea of how some "flat" packs are done, not be packing instructions. If anyone wants good packing instructions, find some reserve packing instructions of the "stack pack" variety.
  14. WFFC safety info on WFFC Message Board I just posted to the WFFC Message Board the safety information that should appear in the WFFC "Welcome Book". We realize that many people do not read the book until after they jump, so please check it out, especially if you are new to the Convention or to large events.
  15. WFFC safety info on WFFC Mesage Board I just posted to the WFFC Message Board the safety information that should appear in the WFFC "Welcome Book". We realize that many people do not read the book until after they jump, so please check it out, especially if you are new to the Convention or to large events.
  16. Tom wrote: >Frap hats are not great helmets and they will not do much in a full on impact, but they do protect us against simple knocks and abrasions. This is the reason I have my Tandem students wear them. >I like the idea of requiring tandem instructors and students to wear some kind of head protection. Tom, I think this thread tells us why we should not be making rules about this. Hell, we can't all agree on whether Frappe Hats are good or bad, so what are we going to make a rule about anyway? At one time I though the same way, then I realized that we seldom hear about injuries associated with Tandem students not wearing head protection. (If you tell me you have, then please indicate where exactly, and I'll ask some questions.) A number of responses to another forum thread indicated that many TI's are using head protection. Let's leave this alone until there is a problem.
  17. > There will be a proposal before the board to create a BSR requiring helmets for tandem Instructors and passengers (as well as AFFI's). I do not support a BSR regarding this. First of all I am delighted to find that most instructors responding use head protection for themselves and their student. > 1. Tandem Instructors, do you wear a helmet on tandem jumps? Yes 2. Why or why not? I can hit my head on something just like on any skydive. I almost always wear a helmet. 3. If yes, what type of helmet? ProTec 4. Do you have your passenger wear a helmet? Yes. There have only been 3 times that I haven't, and 2 of those are when an acceptable size hat was not available. 5. Why or why not? They can hit their head on something. I have seen it happen to other instructors whose students did not wear one. 6. If yes, what type? Frappe Hat, not much protection, but at least something. 7. Have you changed your helmet policy for tandems? No, always been that. 8. If yes, how? 9. What rigs are you rated on? Strong Dual Hawk 10. How many tandem jumps do you have? About 800
  18. I have been offered tips for instruction and I am honored to get one. I tell the student that I don't personally accept tips, but will accept it for the beer fund. That being said, any amount will do! And please stay until the evening if you can to enjoy it with us.
  19. Well, while we are on this topic of complimenting Winsor for his great atitude.... Why can't we get him elected to the USPA BOD? Just think about how that could help our organization get out of the commercialized mode that it has been moving toward. (I know _I_ could really use his help at BOD meetings.) So how many of you voted for him? Did you know him well enough at that time and what he represents? Did you vote at all in the USPA elections? (These are kind of rhetorical questions, designed to get some discussion going about why you think the USPA BOD consists of so many people that do not really represent you.) Everyone needs to remember Winsor a year and a half from now! And tell their friends.
  20. Jeff, I'm sure you jumped a Heron at Moberly, because we jumped it in Sparta a number of times. And your name sure does sound familiar! I looked at your web site with your skydiving history, and you don't look familiar in the picture, and that picture was not that much earlier than when I must have met you. I started in 81 at Sparta, and jumped at Cuba. MO, Moberly a couple times, Jonesburg, MO, FB Convention, Muskogee, etc.
  21. In remembrance of Roger Nelson Posted to rec.skydiving newsgroup and dropzone.com forum "Talk Back" I don't really know quite what to say. So many of you have already said it so much better than I can. It didn't really sink in Saturday night when I heard about the accident, and it took until this morning when I talked to someone at SDC, and read many of your messages, that it really hit me. So I guess all I can do is tell my stories of Roger and how I knew him. I hope it makes some of you feel better. -------------------------------------------------------- I think it was 1983, when they brought Mister Douglas to Archway Skydiving Center (at Sparta, IL at the time). They put me in the base of a 10 way "cup and saucer" dive for my first DC-3 jump, and I became a Freak Brother. I was there at Skydive Sandwich, (at a Memorial Day boogie I think), when they showed the Freak Brothers movie for one of the first times in public. We all screamed in unison when the really good parts showed. No one had ever seen such a good skydiving video. For a year or so many of us tried doing some of the "freak flying" that we saw on the video, but soon gave up on it because it was so hard to do. I remember when Roger developed the static line training tape and made it available to drop zones all over the world. For what it must have cost him to put it together I doubt he ever made much money back on it. As old as it is, it is still being used by many drop zones (at least in part), because _no one has made anything better_, (at least not as a full first jump course video). I was at the Freak Brothers Convention in Freeport, IL with a few hundred jumps. That was back when skydivers had low pull contests and other crazy things. These two guys hummed it down so low I couldn't believe it. They must have been open at 300 feet. Roger sped away on his golf cart and managed to catch one of the guys before they hid. Roger was so mad that these guys would endanger themselves and the sport that he pulled the guy's reserve handle. That made quite an impression on me. I was at the World Skydiving Convention in Quincy, IL when they did the 144 way world record. I was laying out in the grass and watched the whole thing. Having a C-130 to jump from was the neatest thing. We got spoiled there for a few years. I remember the PIA Symposium just after Roger got back from his "extended vacation". I was working in the Para Publishing booth during the first exhibit hall session when Roger walked in for the first time. The smile on his face was priceless! I reached out to shake his hand and welcome him back. I swear the smile was just like in the Freak Brothers movie where he "wakes up from the dream" in the DC-3 and zips up his jumpsuit. _I can still see that smile._ When I ran for USPA Central Regional Director I flew a plane around to a few northern Illinois drop zones, and went to Skydive Chicago at the old airport. At that time Roger was still talking down the students. He didn't really know me well, and he was very busy, so he was kind of "short" with me. He figured that I would get elected, but said something about whether I would "have the balls" to speak up about certain issues once elected. I didn't know quite what he meant at the time, but I do now. After talking down the students, they sent Roger to fly a local demo jump in the C182. The jumpers were all worried about not knowing exactly where the demo site was. I told them "Just get in the plane, Roger will show you where to get out." I think Roger got a kick out of that one. I don't know if Roger had ever planned to run for USPA National Director before I talked to him, but I called him up one day and asked him to, because I "needed help". He not only responded, but got he elected with a substantial number of votes, and proceeded to show his leadership ability in many ways. I just wished he had run for the position again. As Roger grew older and his children began skydiving he started refering to the people we teach skydiving to as "other people's children" and of the awesome responsibility that it is. He made me realize that I am old enough that I too, should be thinking of the people I teach to skydive are not only my future "family", but my "children" as well. In the past few years a number of things Roger said in person and in the SDC "weekly updates" about skydiving instruction really struck a chord with me. It was as if he put into words some of the ideas about instruction that I had been wanting to express. Things that are beyond training documents and rote instruction. I felt like I was really in tune with what he was trying to say, but at the same time realized that I was simply catching up to what he has known for a while. I'm really going to miss those moments. Gary Peek peek@freefall.com FB #1375
  22. I have gotten a number of responses to my questions that indicate that many of you are thinking that I am proposing more documentation/manuals for student training. I am not! And I reiterate that this has nothing to do with USPA. I tried to word my questions so that I did not bias the answers that I might get, and I guess I made it sound like I was inquiring related to USPA programs. Below is my original posting. Please respond if you haven't, and did not because you misunderstood me. -------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a question for you Instructors, and it is about documenting student jumps. I'm soliciting your opinions in response to some ideas suggested from an instructor I know, (not for USPA S&T issues). It is oriented toward the US and USPA. 1. Logbooks seemed to work just fine, with the S&TA verifying knowledge and skill requirements when filling out the "A" license application (now the "A" license Proficiency Card), but this required that the instructors wrote enough in the logbooks, (which often doesn't happen). 2. USPA added the "A" license Proficiency Card, which presumably was a "checklist" to make sure that a student had enough (documented) knowledge and skills (in their logbooks or otherwise) before getting their license. 2A. The least paperwork for the Instructor- If the logbook was filled out in enough detail, the S&TA could simply verify the knowledge and skills in the logbook and fill out the Proficiency Card *when the student applied for a license*. 2B. More paperwork for the Instructor- The student is concerned enough about their progress to bring their "A" license Proficiency Card to their debriefing and have the instructor sign off items on a *jump-by-jump basis*. OK, after all that, here is the question. Q1. As instructors what do you think of adding another? 3. Signoffs in the DZ training program manual, the one that has the DZ's particular list of jumps listed and the things that the student is supposed to be accomplishing on them. (These signoffs would be in addition to the proficiency card if filled out each jump.) Q2. What do you think is an adequate level of safety? (To be brief you can answer 1, 2A, 2B, 3) Q3. Which would be your prefered level? Q4. Is this too much paperwork, and are parts of it superfluous? Related questions if this additional document is in place: Q5. What happens if the student remembers their logbook, but not the training manual? Q6. If Manifest is the first point of contact for figuring out where the student is in their progression and what instructor to assign to the student, what document does manifest personnel base their decison on? Q7. What do think of replacing the logbook with the DZ training manual so that there would be only two documents to sign off? (The training manual and the proficiency card.) -- Gary Peek mailto:peek@freefall.com
  23. Everyone, A quick clarification, and reply to J.E. I am not suggesting more student jump documentation myself. I am asking for opinions due to the suggestions of more documentation by someone else. I am not stating how much documentation I prefer because I don't want to influence your opinions.
  24. 2 page. This is where a DZ would have their own progression that differs from the USPA ISP.
  25. Here is a question for you Instructors, and it is about documenting student jumps. I'm soliciting your opinions in response to some ideas suggested from an instructor I know, (not for USPA S&T issues). It is oriented toward the US and USPA. 1. Logbooks seemed to work just fine, with the S&TA verifying knowledge and skill requirements when filling out the "A" license application (now the "A" license Proficiency Card), but this required that the instructors wrote enough in the logbooks, (which often doesn't happen). 2. USPA added the "A" license Proficiency Card, which presumably was a "checklist" to make sure that a student had enough (documented) knowledge and skills (in their logbooks or otherwise) before getting their license. 2A. The least paperwork for the Instructor- If the logbook was filled out in enough detail, the S&TA could simply verify the knowledge and skills in the logbook and fill out the Proficiency Card *when the student applied for a license*. 2B. More paperwork for the Instructor- The student is concerned enough about their progress to bring their "A" license Proficiency Card to their debriefing and have the instructor sign off items on a *jump-by-jump basis*. OK, after all that, here is the question. Q1. As instructors what do you think of adding another? 3. Signoffs in the DZ training program manual, the one that has the DZ's particular list of jumps listed and the things that the student is supposed to be accomplishing on them. (These signoffs would be in addition to the proficiency card if filled out each jump.) Q2. What do you think is an adequate level of safety? (To be brief you can answer 1, 2A, 2B, 3) Q3. Which would be your prefered level? Q4. Is this too much paperwork, and are parts of it superfluous? Related questions if this additional document is in place: Q5. What happens if the student remembers their logbook, but not the training manual? Q6. If Manifest is the first point of contact for figuring out where the student is in their progression and what instructor to assign to the student, what document does manifest personnel base their decison on? Q7. What do think of replacing the logbook with the DZ training manual so that there would be only two documents to sign off? (The training manual and the proficiency card.)