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I hope you don't think I am talking about anything related to USPA! (The soon to come required USPA rating for USPA members doing Tandem jumps won't change much, and it is not about training.) I don't think it was a sudden thing having tandem students becoming "passengers". I guess my question is how we got to this point. Do you ever see AFF getting to the point where we say "Oh, we just go out and hang onto them and pull for them most of the time because most of them are only making one jump and they don't want to learn anything." ? That is what I see has happened to Tandem jumping.
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This is not a comment about you in particular, but it is a shame that good instruction might be considered "no reason" to allow a tandem student to steer and land the canopy. Everything has a risk. Why would we allow a student skydiver to train and jump solo? This is more risk that a tandem jump. Again not a question aimed at you, but asked sincerely to everyone: What is it about tandem jumps that make everyone treat them so differently from other student jumps?
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So don't you think there is a way to train your student to land safely while learning canopy control under your supervision? Other students manage to learn these things, and they are all alone landing their parachute.
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There is no end to people who think that a newer design is necessarily better than an older design only because it is newer. This ain't consumer electronics.
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"hip-hop journalism" ??? (I had to look that up.) http://www.hhja.org/features/whatitiz.html What is "iz"? How kewl. May I interest any of you in a Web 2.0 compliant web site? Perhaps some of the initial respondents to the OP have gone further than watching the video by now.
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The short answer- training. People bicycle or swim because they are scared or nervous. Spend as much time as you can with your students so that they are comfortable with _you_ and the idea of skydiving. I notice you use the word "ride". It is a "student jump". Do what you would do with any student. (Hopefully you will get support from the DZ, but some don't care.)
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I'm still looking for a timed-out *Student* Cypres (original, not Cypres 2) for some research. Needs cutter intact or field replaceable cutter connector.
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Nick, thanks for all that typing! Hopefully a number of people/riggers will read and learn. Bag strip is indeed much different than line dump, but I can't even get people to understand line dump, so I don't even try to go further....
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Who was that? And were they giving PD's advice or their personal advice?
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I'm thinking along the lines of Dave's response to your question. We all know of students that are so heads-up that we might as well load them up with every task we can on a jump, both in freefall and under canopy. But for many people, doing an IAD or S/L jump is enough in itself, and the reduced workload of little freefall helps them learn canopy control better. Basically we just need to try to know and understand our students, and steer them towards what works best for them. And this is difficult if a DZ must limit the types of instruction and can't do much about it.
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I have heard likewise, for example, an ear nearly cut off. Yikes! Now here is a question for you. Why would you not want to wear a helmet? It's not much trouble and even when it is hot, there are helmets that are open enough that they don't add to the heat. I suggest head protection for your student as well. Again, there is little disadvantage.
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I had just met Jennifer and Marnie a month ago when the Otter was at Freefall Express. My condolences to all.
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I had just met Jennifer and Marnie a month ago when the Otter was at Freefall Express. My condolences to all.
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I had been on the club's email list for several years and had been impressed with how well they communicate and organize things. I got the feeling that they would be a really fun group to skydive with, and I was not disappointed when I attended this event. The drop zone is a really good mix of KSU students, plus some older and more experienced jumpers that like to come there. And everyone helps out, and is friendly, and has a great attitude.
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Name the: National Champion Skydiver
peek replied to airtwardo's topic in Skydiving History & Trivia
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I have been on the club's email list for several years and have been impressed with how well they communicate and organize things. I got the feeling that they would be a really fun group to skydive with, and I was not disappointed when I attended this event. Plus, I talked to a lot of people and learned a lot of things I didn't know about the history of skydiving in Kansas. The drop zone is a really good mix of KSU students, plus some older and more experienced jumpers that like to come there. And everyone helps out, and is friendly, and has a great attitude. Thank you everyone!
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So you are saying that you have definitely experienced "line dump"? You realize this is very unlikely? Do you have video? (You may want to read other threads about this.)
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Whoever took charge and made that option available to her used incredibly good judgment, and I compliment them!
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Well, that was going to be another subject, but now that you mention it... Most student containers with their large canopies need to have the laterals pulled all the way tight, even on big people, so there is indeed no need to have an adjustment. I tacked them down on the student rigs where I usually jump, and it has saved hours and hours of adjustment work.
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A waiver is no longer required because the BSR's have been changed to allow it. Of course, drop zones are free to disallow it by their policy. The way it was previous to this BSR change required a waiver by S&TA or I/E, so that's probably what you are thinking of.
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My opinion is that the former is way more important that the latter. If no one can stay up with her in freefall, she can at least use another training method as long as her gear is safe. And thank you for asking for a number of opinions. I think your student will really benefit from what you learn. Many DZs would just slap a big rig and weights on such a person and watch them struggle.
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In some respects I suppose one could say that if you look at just the freefall portion. But there are so many aspects to determining what training progression to use. It is my understanding that a fair number of DZs do something like Dave is doing, and it sounds like it works well. However the world does not revolve around AFF rating holders at a drop zone that uses that progression, something that many AFF instructors feel uncomfortable with after having earned that coveted rating that turns them into skygods. That is why a lot of places can't pull it off, and just go "regular" AFF. I know one DZO that gave up on static-line instruction because his staff was more interested in the extended freefall (and higher pay) of AFF instructional jumps. (They were too cool to do a mere clear and pull after jumpmastering the S/L students.)
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I have been working in a program that had the students doing the "usual" 5, 10, 20 second delays, then having them do "coached" jumps at 13-14K after that. No problems at all. Depending on the student, I think it could be sooner than that. All you really need to do is see that the student has basic control at terminal velocity, i.e., doing some turns both ways, not spinning, pulling stable at the right altitude. (Of course, if you expect them to ever learn how to (actively) spot, you will need to start very early on while they are still in the smaller aircraft.)
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That's a problem I have noticed with skydiving and skydiving gear now. People are using arbitrary time periods that "seem reasonable". When anyone has decided that 20 years is a limit they have simply pulled it out of their ass. They have not based it on anything scientific.
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Everyone please note that this article was written long enough ago that now a number of people will no longer agree with the sentence in the article that says, "Your canopy will be more stable if you hold partial brakes.", at least with some types of canopies.