devildog

Going by the results of countless gov't entities, I don't exactly find it comforting they want to manage my health as well. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Leaving prints behind is bad. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

I find your lack of faith disturbing. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Grats as well! Dunno about you, but I was on a high all day (waking up today too) You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

a nickname I use proudly at that. But the irony is quite fun :) You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Quick question and time is of the essence. You are in NewOrleans and the flood waters are rising . Just 6 hours before the waters submerge the entire facility. You can't possibly evacuate all the residents given your resources. How do you proceed? Peace, Jim B The marine inside me would refuse to give up with 6 hours to spare (or at all). Coming from my own experience, we have evacuation plans put in place the moment any pt signs on with us (and we've been smacked hard by hurricanes). As for specifics, I can't really answer that until I'm put into said position. But if you're asking me something like, "The only two choices are to drown or be allow the pt to OD themselves," I'd hardly classify the latter as an "evil" suicide (and I use that adj loosely). The point I was making in my original is that in most cases, it's not a) die horribly or b) die peacefully by suicide, early. There's quite often another option or two that isn't seen. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Again, I'm not saying all. I'm saying virtually most. More over, I'm saying we have yet to actually have to use a drug induced coma because the teams as a whole are fantastic at getting pain under control. Pt's are alert, oriented (as much as can be, we have a lot of Alz/Dementia) and die very well for the most part. So when people express as their top concern (which is common) of, "I just don't want to be in pain (I don't want to die horribly)" we are confident we can give them that one wish. Thus, when you say, "I think the individual's right not to go through to the bitter end probably trumps the family's." I agree, but I'm tacking on the caveat that the end doesn't have to be bitter whatsoever. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

I'm somewhere in the middle of yes / no, but leaning closer to no than yes which is why I put my vote on no. I completely understand not wanting to die in pain or in an undignified way, and now being in my 4th year of hospice work, I've got a pretty good perspective on it. I won't say all cases, be it theory or practice, should be disallowed, but the vast majority of assisted suicides (or wanting suicide to preempt the perceived death) aren't necessary. The company I work for has been in business close to 30 years, and we do have an option for pain management where they more or less put you in a drug induced coma. It's basically one step away from actually ODing the patient for the purpose of killing them. Pts do have to go to an ethics panel if the need arises. That being said, our current team MD (whose been around a lot longer than I) says we -- the company -- have yet to actually have to resort to a drug coma to get pain under control. I'm always amazed at what all our teams can do, home, hospital, hospice houses, ALF, etc when it comes to getting the hardest, most numerous symptoms under control (well beyond what they ever expected was possible) so that the can have quality with whatever quantity is left. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

I do have a mini distillery in my kitchen (6 gallons), but it won't be ready by next week, so the dz will have to settle for some bought stuff this time. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

That's all I got to say about that

I'd wager that if everyone that said, "I'd vote for him if he could win" actually voted for him, he'd be quite electable -- or at least have a good run at it. Perception is everything, sadly. That being said, I imagine I'll be voting for him in the primaries at least. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Internal tests done on the effectiveness on the TSA have shown in recent years anywhere from 50-90% of test weapons, bombs, etc. made it through undetected and onto the plane. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Who's drinking the koolaid? You almost have a rational argument for God at times until you throw in the 6 thousand year old earth crap. The great flood? I'm embarrassed for you. If you only held the other sciences like medicine and aviation to the same rigors you hold to geology and evolutionary science, but then you would never take a med or step foot on a plane. I just wanted to say your avatar is very fitting for this thread :) You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

The concept of hell being an eternal place of torment and vengeance didn't take hold until St. Augustine came into the picture (which, surprise, surprise, was after those creeds were made). Furthermore, going by the early church, there were 6 schools of thought. 4 of them preached universal salvation (that eventually, God would redeem everyone through Christ, living and dead), 1 preached annihilation (similar to what SDAs believe) and only 1 school taught any sort of eternal damnation like we see today. And as luck would have it, that 1 group that taught hell, hell, was the group that didn't read / use Greek texts. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

I agree. That's why I stopped being an atheist :) You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

I have no doubt there was "a man" who was the basis for the Jesus narrative. To me it's painfully clear the story has been wildly exaggerated, parts made up much later out of nothing in an attempt to reconcile various versions and other bits outright stolen from other god myths, but somewhere in there is a kernel of truth about a radical philosopher who pissed off some Romans and got crucified for it. Not that it means much, there were an awful lot of them at the time. There are still sightings of Elvis, too. In 1000 years, Elvis, Michael Jackson, or John Lennon will be another Jesus, Mohammed, or... Imagine. Elvis would be a good comparison. Pretend Elvis' body was seen by countless people, including his OD and burial. Also pretend that lots of people who have a vested interest in saying and keeping Elvis dead, confirm he's dead. They also put Elvis' grave site under guard to keep would-be thieves away, like those sneaky Elvistians who are now in fear for their lives and are in hiding. What if on Aug 18, 1977 Elvis' grave was found empty and people started seeing him? Claiming they touched him? Claiming that Elivs is indeed back from the dead? What if, this "madness" grew where hundreds and thousands of people see and say the same thing. Not only are they saying it, but they are losing their lives over it, refusing to say, "I made it up" or "Maybe I didn't really see Elvis alive." (The people who really liked the Beatles, for example, may want to see these Elvistians stoned, torn up by lions and dogs, lit on fire, etc). To top it off, some of these hardened Beatlites, ones who use to hate Elvis for all they were worth, suddenly start talking like these crazy Elvisitans saying that they too saw Elvis... If we're going to really go all out with the analogy, these Elvistians would have to have nothing to gain at the time (no one was getting money or power claiming to be a Christian in the first century) and had everything to lose. At some point you have to say, these people really did think they saw Elvis, as no one dies for a lie they know is false when there isn't any gain involved. Before anyone jumps on other religions, other beliefs, etc. A key difference when thinking about our Elvistians (or the first generation Christians) is that our Elvistians aren't claiming that they believe Elvis was raised from the dead, they are saying, "Hey! On Aug 18, 1977 I saw Elvis with my own eyes! I touched him! I ate with him! We sat and talked for a long, long time, etc." at which point someone might say, "If you keep saying that, I'm going to cut your head off. You sure you don't want to just say you were wrong or maybe mistaken?" The liar recants. The transformed, the one who honestly believes what they saw, holds fast. You might be able to account for a stray incident here and there, but when its happening to countless (thousands) of people, all that were alive when Jesus died, when the nation is being transformed rapidly despite the gov'ts attempt to blast it out, *something* had to have happened to account for it all. While people as a whole obviously don't reach the same conclusion as to what that something might be 2k years ago, current Elvis sightings 34 years later are only superficially similar at best. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Going by what we know of Roman executions, the chances of anyone surviving are virtually slim to none. Going by the accounts in the gospels, absolutely not. The beating received was often enough to kill someone. The Roman flagrum (scourge) had barbs and weights woven into each strand that literally tore skin apart, muscle from bones, etc. Though the gospel accounts obviously show he did not die from the beating, the narration afterwards reads like someone who is hypovolemic (low blood). On top of that, the crucifixion obviously places even more strain on a failing body, which was alone designed to kill. Lastly, just to be sure, we have a centurion come along and stab Jesus in the side of his chest with a spear. Why was this done? To ensure that the prisoner was dead. Failure to ensure that the prisoner was dead (especially if he escaped) before he was cut down could and often meant the soldier in question would be put to death as well. The Roman in question had a very, very big incentive to ensure Jesus was dead, dead. Romans might have not been the best at everything, and didn't know the world as well as we do now, but you better believe they knew how to kill someone, and what a corpse looks like. Also, the explosion of blood and water is completely indicative of a failed heart, not a working one. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Read both. Most of the OT I even had to read through in Hebrew, like wise the NT in Greek (thankfully, not all, but more than enough to make me want to strangle my professors) You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

That's actually pretty interesting, and doesn't surprise me (though I never thought about it before). Martin Luther always rallied against "Cheap Grace" -- the idea that "I can now do whatever I want because God will forgive me." You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Good luck! I'm sure you'll have a blast. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Just out of curiosity (and a tangent), is that off the top of your head or is there a formula to calculate ground speed based on WL? You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Sucks =/ Have you guys tried palliative care at all? You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

First disclaimer, I've only got 15 jumps now, but if I hadn't done what you are thinking of just recently, I'd not post :) I usually jump @ Zephyr, but I did do some wind tunnel time b/w my B jump and C1 just because I have family in Orlando I was visiting and had been recommended before hand as "always helpful." Ultimately I think it was quite helpful even at 5 mins (which is all I had time for at the time) as it helped me find my relaxed arch w/o wobbling all over the place and turns became a snap, and thus, when I jumped my C1 I was much more confident I wouldn't be all over the place when they let go of the grips and let me float & track alone. So as a recent AFF student (did the tunnel time in Feb), I'd say I can't see how it wouldn't help, and it definitely helped me (not too mention was just fun all round). You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

video removed :( edit: nm, already mentioned You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Not sure how I'm cherry picking anything when I didn't make any definitive statement other than guess the intentions in the OP. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.