BobKnoss

People are individuals to me. Everyone is different, some are skilled in different areas. I respect that. There are also traits that separate the sexes. These are well known and easily recognizable much of the time. Not all inclusive. I am a bad person as I don't buy into female logic, you are correct. Don't get it, never will. Never met a female engineer in 50 years who could carry her share of the load! (And I'm ducking under the desk now.) I have no interest in being a writer. Look at what it did to Blevins. My only real interest is to have you explain why all this cover-up has to continue. The FBI apparently doesn't care. Is there some recourse that nobody is talking about? There are no arrests going to happen. There are no undercovers to be exposed anymore. The Nixon/Hoover junk is pretty much known, including MLK, etc. So, why the big deal with not wanting to release what really happened? Is our Hero embarrassed by his heroism? Is gallantry the better part of valor? Is egg on the face of the FAA and the FBI important, really? They can deal with it just like Ruby Ridge and Waco. It's this blinders attitude that caused Tim McVeigh to go bonkers. Why? A private call would be OK, if you can explain without going bonkers.

I sincerely doubt you can. Jamie Cooper wants you to come out and play. Maybe you can write another hoax! You could do a full cardfile of Cooper wannabes. That appears to be the only thing you can write. Certainly nothing credible. You definitely do have an open mind. From an incomplete frontal lobotomy? Be careful, you could get an infection in that cavity, what with all the poop you spit out. I think you could amount to something, someday, if you didn't waste your valuable time just harassing tellers on this thread. Seems like such a waste of presumably valuable time. OR, is needling us more necessary to your benefactor than your business? Huh? You aren't very good at it. You did get Jamie mad though. Got to hand you that. Not me.

The over-riding truth of the situation, Jo, is that your really don't look for the truth. You look for any reinforcement to your cast-in-concrete perspective of what you WANT the story to say. You completely ignor any real facts out of hand unless they fit your outline. As much as it hurts me to say it, Jerry has a good point and I can see how he gets there. I know Duane was the DB Cooper hijacker, I have sworn to the fact that your Duane was trained for parachuting in Minnesota. Why you go bananas about someone else's perspective is beyond me. We can't FORCE what we know on others. Especially when they have agendas stronger than ours. Seems a little egg is worse that a big effort to rewrite History. Muscle the Congress and hide in the weeds for the rest of your life, playing tiddly-winks with people's lives. Has it ever dawned on you that your congregation is a flock of trained buzzards and maggots, and not curious children of God?

"Wonder why Cooper didn't also bring a gun aboard? If hid "bomb" was detected as a fake he had no backup weapon. 377 " Quote He brought a fake looking bomb because the hijacking was planned by the manual. The manual said if it looked like a bomb, you must assume that it is a bomb and act accordingly. This was a demonstration for the Aviation Industry to illustrate the lack of control to prevent hijackings. It was not a real hijacking except to the courts. It was planned by pilots to force action on passing legislation for the new FAA rules put forth by the Pilots Union and the FAA. McCoy's jump was an extension of the same program. It was named Project Norjak in 1968, and held up waiting for negotiations to get the law passed. Look at the dates of Nixon's actions and the reason for giving a 'go' to the project. And that is the truth. Likewise, McCoy had a paperweight grenade and an empty gun. The football looking jock across the isle from him made him sweat blood. Guess who the Union leader of the safety push was............ My HERO!! So you can thank ol' Duane for the manual gropings at the airport. He would have really liked that.

Or gravel truck as the case may be. Oh, by the 'weigh', "guns are OUR friends."

I spoke to the son, not Bill. But I would expect you to tell a different story. As for McCoy, I have the film, so that one is another bit where your information has been altered to hide the truth. Can't argue with an FBI film! Facts are facts, no matter what you try to do to pretend it's smoke. I know the situation. Are you really just a janitor? I don't find that hard to believe. Who is writing that stuff? Jamie? He does not like you, does he! Wow!

And these look like the boots that McCoy always wore: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cleantechnica.com/files/2009/04/army-boots1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cleantechnica.com/2009/04/10/military-spending-goes-up-carbon-bootprint-goes-down/&usg=__VB9fCHJ8j4IGCTP4OK7pEBFRqFk=&h=375&w=500&sz=33&hl=en&start=21&zoom=1&tbnid=bZjvyQMDynpKKM:&tbnh=161&tbnw=209&ei=9d5XTfqdGMmutwfs86WdDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Darmy%2Bboots%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D799%26bih%3D507%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C1159&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=144&vpy=154&dur=16304&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=206&ty=99&oei=S95XTeGQIIK88gbF4vWVBw&page=4&ndsp=6&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:21&biw=799&bih=507 And this looks just like his jump suit with a pouch on the back: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.policemag.com/_Images/articles/PO1001jumpsuit-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Patrol/Articles/2001/10/Propper-Tactical-Patrol-Suit.aspx&usg=__iZLoMSVfEELkogPESRAbxtZXWCQ=&h=500&w=312&sz=16&hl=en&start=7&zoom=1&tbnid=Yb0oDXNcvLyHUM:&tbnh=182&tbnw=114&ei=k-RXTdzBB5HAtgeJmv2RDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichigan%2Bjump%2Bsuit%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D799%26bih%3D507%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C551&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=403&vpy=91&dur=6865&hovh=284&hovw=177&tx=98&ty=117&oei=h-RXTaGBPMG88ga4_9WYBw&page=2&ndsp=6&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:7&biw=799&bih=507 This is a good look-alike for McCoy: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2767297280/nm0063440 Here is another look-alike: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Kurt_Warner.jpg/300px-Kurt_Warner.jpg&imgrefurl=http://comfibook.com/n/Curt%2BWarner&usg=__ZqaeMnNV4e6JVQLOzELDcKEnpJQ=&h=250&w=300&sz=20&hl=en&start=7&zoom=1&tbnid=ZJI7PKvUF3DiCM:&tbnh=176&tbnw=162&ei=uelXTavAEYyCtgeGq_yiDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcurt%2Bwarner%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D799%26bih%3D507%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C393&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=140&vpy=216&dur=7435&hovh=200&hovw=240&tx=143&ty=171&oei=relXTfumBMK78ga-2qWoBw&page=2&ndsp=7&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:7&biw=799&bih=507 This really is Richard McCoy: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101745989855119&set=o.10001004301 And this is Henry Selick, not Richard McCoy: http://www.facebook.com/pages/DB-Cooper/10001004301?v=wall#!/photo.php?fbid=184279488268435&set=o.10001004301&theater

Here is a cap like the one Duane used to wear: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wellpromo.com/upload/upimg62/Poly--Cotton-Duck-Bill-Cap-W---49862.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wellpromo.com/wholesale-Logo-imprinted/Caps_5.htm&usg=__LMjzdEIEj565TFIUd9Fgskh7bdI=&h=245&w=249&sz=9&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=jePSn-1XXTDuGM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=129&ei=XtVXTbP0Goe5twer6L2kDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dduckbill%2Bcap%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D799%26bih%3D507%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=133&vpy=203&dur=2343&hovh=196&hovw=199&tx=133&ty=114&oei=P9VXTaenNMH98AaFnNmWBw&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0 And these look like the shoes he would wear: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://e-shoes-store.com/d/ariat/pimg/sme173B19231.jpg&imgrefurl=http://e-shoes-store.com/d/ariat/womenslaceshoes.html&usg=__PrDhIPsVaVbfRE5E4FIPV-6Q8kw=&h=600&w=600&sz=56&hl=en&start=90&zoom=1&tbnid=5TZpkjp2sSUG9M:&tbnh=157&tbnw=152&ei=mtdXTcfRPJS5tweFlNWkDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dankle%2Bshoes%2Blace%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D799%26bih%3D507%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C5217&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=537&vpy=171&dur=17157&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=119&ty=159&oei=LNdXTdjOMcP38AbXopyvBw&page=14&ndsp=6&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:90&biw=799&bih=507 And these look just like his boots: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Combat_Boots.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Combat_Boots.jpg&usg=__pbkqnNQiynySe4NsrhUbCGQhOn0=&h=640&w=428&sz=75&hl=en&start=29&zoom=1&tbnid=pVEyDf64_BmU_M:&tbnh=163&tbnw=105&ei=btlXTaLCAcyltwfo47XxDA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcombat%2Bboots%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D799%26bih%3D507%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C1778&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=432&vpy=54&dur=1149&hovh=275&hovw=183&tx=105&ty=162&oei=UdlXTd_5GcT48Aax1dmsBw&page=5&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:29&biw=799&bih=507 He said he always carried a pocket knife. It was smaller than average. This is the guy I knew as Dan Cooper, (the guy that trained him to hijack a 727 had his name stenciled over the top of his left breast jump suit pocket in nice bold black letters for anyone to see, but I can't show you his picture because he would get mad and threaten me again): http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=132466026783115&set=o.10001004301

...So reinforced with spirits flamed, the advancing parties call their names. To hide the truth from public blames Like cowards in the night refrain. First things first: Let's discuss Lyle's letter from Kenny asking to be a strawman Cooper. Rataczak told me about it before you started your book. If you are so honest and diligent, you should be able to clear up this matter in short order. waiting.......

"But when the money was found the Seattle PI published a map reading TENA BAR. But the PI location is in the wrong place." That's consistent. Isn't that strange? Thanks for the clarification, guys.

Quade, It's up to you! The adults acting like 12 yr old and it is out of hand. Ever see a jack rabbit run? Get a shotgun in the bun? Certainly is no frickin' fun when the runnin' is all done. Now, Cooper folk are tough, they'll talk mean and rough, of meds and cops and stuff but surely its another bluff. Good guys played the crooks, and bad guys were the cops. Now the idiots write the books and fight 'bout who's is tops. Ain't nothin' worth a blasted dime, it's just a boring worthless crime It's no good as a nursery rhyme. It's outlived its place in real time. The protectors lie and wince in vain, the guilty try to hide the pain, They hide the truth, it's dirty stain They treat the tellers with disdain. It's threats and names they call out now, to protect that wondrous golden cow. To close the thread of Weber's frau. The only path left to their vow. So reinforced with spirits flamed, the advancing parties call their names. To hide the truth from public blames Like cowards in the night refrain. ~Bob Knoss

Be your guest? I promised you I would not. That is your decision. You don't want to talk, so be it. Sign a release and I'll see if the other guys will sign also. I'll wager they will not. No indemnity, no names. Nobody will buy into it unless the truth is told. I can only confirm what would be said. More than one statement is where the evidence is. By itself, it is only an interesting book, with names it could be liable. Nothing I can say is worth anymore than a dime store novel without an announcement from the FBI, confessions (ha-ha), or another dying declaration. Ain't gunna happen, right? So, perhaps it would be of interest to at least have the truth in one paper, just in case sometime in the future someone really wanted to know how things really operated?

Not me. Must be Jamie. That's his speed, not mine. I have never abused any meds, nor exceeded any prescription. YOU LIE AGAIN. Seems that is all you are able to do. Tell the truth for a while. Got no guts?? I am at one hydrocodone pill per day and am authorized for a lot more. I am back on crutches and the wheelchair but I do not take them. I do not drink. Unlike you, apparently. You should be the one to give ME advice????? My father didn't think you guys were in the least bit worthwhile. I blame that incident on you. I blame a lot on you, and I believe you keep building on it. What was done to me was illegal, damaging, and unforgivable. I am not a happy recorder. Yes, I did call the Sheriff. I will call him again if you repeat it.

I am merely responding in kind. Speak civil-like and you will not provoke responses you dislike. I did not take your remarks as pleasantries. My initial remark was an honest concern based on my experiences with the subject. You blew your cork back at me, telling me off. Cool off and be respectful of others and you will be treated likewise. Yes, I do debate vigorously when I have it thrown at me with disrespect. You have shown me nothing except disrespect today. New pair of britches? Went to your head, Vicki.

I doubt I will take your learned advice. You are too interesting to miss a moment. Typical female approach, attack with nothing and look stupid. At least you won't cry, right? Jamie is running that Facebook page now. He likes the younger generation, more his speed. I just needed a medium to begin the discussion. I intend to put as much of what really happened in print as possible. You will not believe it, but those few of us that were there do. Sometimes I get things wrong and it is nice to be corrected. I do not have all the answers, but I sure do know a lot of it. It was a significant part of my life and I suffered for it in many ways. I want to understand it, like you want to understand your situation. I have a very good legal case to present on my own behalf that has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything you understand. That is why you sound so goofy to me. You know nothing of the situation, but you have a bullhorn. What's good for the gander is good for the goose. Stick it in your ear and blow it out your nose.

I remember reading something to that effect in one of the weekly trash rags... Globe or Enquirer, or one of those. Had a 4" tall picture of Jerry? on the left page just below the fold. Maybe Jerry remembers the article. Unless he's really dead, in which case he wouldn't admit it anyway.

"Tina’s Beach..." Re-write!!! Tena Bar. Same mistake twice now. Two writers, two mistakes!! Par for the course. Studderers become radio announcers, ???? become writers.

Right back at ya, Bobby!!I couldn't have said it better myself. We agree to agree. That's good. So I guess we all want you to provide proof. It has been said before in the forum...You know "evidence" something tangible. Maybe one other player in you whole scheme of things. You can name names all day along with your stories of the hijacking. Bring proof and evidence to the table. COLLECT and PROVIDE EVIDENCE. I have all the evidence necessary, if the parties in question choose to use it. You are totally uninformed as to what the situation is, and your comments are amateurish and childish, only displaying that ignorance. You sound like JAMIE COOPER!! Cooper Patsy??? Really??? Is that what you want to be if you ever grow up?? I'm 67, going on 68. Like Jo, I wish I never heard of the son-of-a-bitch. ( I will watch for the two women in their Bronco with the push bar...) Look at the picture to get the humor, silly! Oh...and Bob.......there is not a Santa Claus...Sorry I had to be the one to break it to you. PHEW!! I was worried for a moment! Thought you were going to swallow that one hook line and stinker. Hope they are able to help you get some information. Nice of Jerry, ......maybe. He has a track record.

“Yes, Virginia (Vicki), there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight…” ~'Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus', New York Sun, 1897. Francis Church. Most aperpos. Please realize you shouldn't believe too strongly in Santa. It is the spirit of the thing. As you said, you are a big girl and can handle it. I hope you are strong and alert enough to know you could be targeted as a Cooper patsy. In the unlikely event that is what happens, don't let them violate another perfectly good life. Given that, I offer my best wishes. Stay sane. The Whole Norjak Team

Try using 6th grader terms and keep it brief. That seems to work for me lately. "Hit broad, grab hair, drag to cave." Can you show a map of the real fight path around the West of Portland? See my map guesstimate, attached. Jump point may not be accurate. The red and black line is the oil pipeline clearing that matches the flightpath pattern. The pink RR track is the reported path and the red x is the reported jump. Look West of the reported jump and you will see Tena bar. WOW! Look at that! Amazing, huh? Move the reported path mentally over the pipeline. Walha! Now, look at how the flight path would so neatly skirt the Portland airspace as they were instructed! DUH! Amazing? No, just so frickin' obvious I am ashamed to have to explain it to everyone except Nicholson. This is 6th grade stuff, guys. Now, Google Map Janet. Guess where Janet was??? Right on the flight path. Wow! How did that happen? Must be an error because of the aperture relationship of Georger's eyeball, huh? Really! PPPPFFFFTTT! Now, given that this was no accident, how did the airplane follow the pipline clearing verbatum? Must have been the winds? Must have been a misunderstanding? Must have been intentional, flying manual? I'm not claimin', I'm just sayin'. Bob

REPEAT: Let's discuss Lyle's letter from Kenny asking to be a strawman Cooper. Rataczak told me about it before you started your book. If you are so honest and diligent, you should be able to clear up this matter in short order. You have me mistaken for somebody else! Post the letter. Lets see what it says. How can we discuss a letter nobody but you and Blevins have ever seen. Not intended to be addressed to you, Georger, sorry. Blevins! Ask him to explain the letter. It's his story. He should have checked out the story before doing it. Little Rataczak told me about it, I haven't seen it yet, but I sure would like to. Blevins refuses to discuss it. WHY? Because it exposes another hoax? Lyle knows the answer to that one.

REPEAT: Let's discuss Lyle's letter from Kenny asking to be a strawman Cooper. Rataczak told me about it before you started your book. If you are so honest and diligent, you should be able to clear up this matter in short order.

COULDA SHOULDA WOULDA Janet made a report to the FBI. McCoy called on her. She was scared. She talked to Cook. Her information is consistent with the balance of information confirmed by Nicholson, Rataczak, McCoy, Jo Weber, Himmelsbach, and perhaps others. Sorry, dude. You can coulda shoulda woulda til you are blue in the face. Facts are facts and Janet is an indisputable fact. Every detail of her story does not have to be proven to be critical. She saw the frickin' plane where it really was and THAT is all that I care about. It PROVES the proposition that the Victor 23 path was erroneous and the flight path was really 15-20 miles West of where the Air Force plotted based on mis-information. I don't know how, but I do know they did it. Ask Nicholson how it was done. He appears more qualified to resolve the how. I can verify the words that were uttered, that's it. Sorry, dude. You can't put this story together by intimidation and logic. It was built on dyslexic reversals and illogical actions. That is what made it work, along with lengthy detailed planning by knowledgeable PILOTS. I know that you know better. You are too friendly with the powers that be. Even the best laid plans of mice and men can go astray. No secrets last forever. Time is up on this one. "Knuckle dragging Neanderthals...." Always enjoyed that phrase. Aperpos to be sure. If it fits, wear it.~ Forrest Gump.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HdUF9Y6xLZ8J:www.wildworldnews.com/news/2011/dbcooper-near-death.htm+tina+mucklow&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com Blevins is in his car and on his way to get his sticky fingers into this pile of money. He is re-writing the BLAST again, while he drives........

He had the knowledge from his past actions under John Collins - so why not? ... One has to wonder how and why Duane managed to disappear from 1962 till 1968!... There might have been some washing by the government, but tell me a time there has not been? Perhaps the goverment even KNEW who did the skyjacking, but circumstance might have blown the hatch off of something they preferred to keep quiet at that time and perhaps since. The USA has NOT always done things exactly right in both military and political activities from the past - and nothing is transparent.... OKAY, Knoss how is that for a truth? Or is it just a fantasy and a story just to have something to say? It would be consistent with what I know and what I suspect, but I have is no basis to believe it. If it were presented to me as a valid truth, I would accept it, yes. It is possible and matches things I have not discussed with you. It has no bearing on the Cooper incident proper, but would explain Duane. Why silence the Cooper incident? Just to cover Duane? Makes no sense. I see no reason to silence the Project with such a ferocity all these years.