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Good Luck, Pat

Stalking? Who is stalking? You made claims I don't agree with. I rebutted them. You then made a claim that isn't true. I answered it. That's not stalking.

I wish they would pull their resources and have a big ol boogie, with a couple skyvans. Don't forget Mr.Douglas . She'd love the radial engines.

Mike, Sorry, but that's fucked up. There is absolutely no way the DZOs I know would turn this guy away because he's black. I already said I doubted they would turn him away because he's deaf. In fact, Jim Crouch, in the other thread about this in the Instructors forum, asked for Billy to put the guy in touch with him. Seems to me like he wasn't actually turned away from all the Virginia DZs in the first place, since Jim is one of the DZOs. I think this whole situation sounds (no pun intended) like a lot of miscommunication. Yep, there you go again: "He has contacted every DZ in Virginia, and every one of them turned him down!" Billy, Have him call us again at Virginia Skydiving Center and we will take care of him. 804-466-0215. Jim"

"Holy crap! It's not often you can hear anyone in freefall." I didn't think it was even possible to hear someone in freefall ?!

You peeked! Was that an icicle? Or, were you just happy to see her?

Precisely

"I specifically said there's nothing wrong with a deaf person skydiving." Yes, you did. You then strongly inferred something else must be wrong w/this guy. This, despite very indication that there isn't. Never mind, Dan. Others are already solving the problem for this guy while you continue being pissy.

FWIW, I don't think that's reasonable, either. He could bring one if he wants to. The FJC material is all printed out nicely. He can read it on his own, & review w/pen & paper. It would take some extra time for an instructor. I would think they would want to do that. I would also think he would tip them for their extra trouble. W/O an ASL interpreter, what would it take? Maybe an extra hour for the FJC material, & a few minutes each per AFF jump. I don't think that's too much to ask.

"No, he hasn't. The OP refered to him as a "sort of" pilot. You're assuming a lot." I'm not assuming anything. Here's what Billy said: "This guy is well educated. Has a masters degree, and IS a pilot to some degree. And he's deaf! He has done way more than I could ever hope to do outside of skydiving and look at me." A 'Pilot to some degree' tells me he flies, but doesn't have a license yet. I'm sorry you need a prosthesis. As a student, that would make you far more of a risk in the air than this guy. "Again, assuming. We don't know if they excluded him because of his hearing or not. I'd be surprised, knowing most of the people involved, if that were the case." Again, no assumptions made. I simply read what Billy wrote: "He has contacted every DZ in Virginia, and every one of them turned him down! WHY? Because he can't use a radio??? Are you people kidding me?" "Like I said, skydiving is not for everyone. If a severely retarded man showed up at the DZ and wanted to do a static line, would you protest if the DZ turned him away? How about someone with uncontrolled epilepsy? Maybe there's something else going on with the guy mentioned in the OP, all we have to go on is the fact that at least 3 DZs turned him away. Do you think maybe they know something we don't?" You want to compare deafness to uncontrolled epilepsy & mental retardation? That's just brilliant, but wholly irrelevant. As we all know. No, skydiving is not for everyone. Deafness is not one of the disqualifiers, Dan. I'm sorry (& rather surprised) you feel it should be. I don't know the guy. I'm going off info from someone who does. You seem to have a hair trigger in trying to protect your AFF friends in VA. "Gosh, you're right! The glasses analogy really made it click for me." I didn't know you need a prosthesis. I'm sorry you do, but... You'd be a lot more effective in making your points if you lost the 'tude. Reasoning gets lost in the facetiousness.

"Beware the Ides of March!" Nah, just kidding. Have Fun

20° on the ground = ~-30° @alt. Windchill adds to the fun. Most rational people would agree that -30° is pretty freakin cold. -100° on your face & neck is colder. Wear enough clothes, & it won't make it through. It wants to, though. Cold is cold. You wanna argue yellow is green? Go for it...

Au contraire, the ADA is, in part, exactly for this type of situation. The guy is a pilot, athletic, & only wants to jump. What overly expensive accommodation is he going to need? An AFFI may have to spend a few minutes w/pen & paper every jump. Flags in lieu of the radio. Big Deal. He has already proven he's safe in the air. They excluded him for a handicap he can, & has, overcome before. Do you wear glasses, Dan? Would you want to be excluded from this & other activities because someone felt the risk of your glasses getting knocked off was too great?

I sorry. I thought you meant lastnight @midnight... I never suspected you trying anything funny. I only thought there was a problem w/the Ad. Thank You for making the effort. I look forward to reading it.

"Do you want me to click it for you too?" So quick to pounce. Pissy, pissy... The Ad changed after I last saw it. I never accused Gato of trying to pull a fast one. I merely pointed out a problem w/the Ad.

"Or combat RW with up & coming skydivers." FIFY .

I jump w/an open-face helmet. Vee don't need no shtinkin Balaclava. Plus, temps that low, & a 120MPH wind, go through a lot of clothing. You think windchills that cold are a joke? Pop out wearing your summer suit & a balaclava. Hey, your skin won't be exposed. When you land in tears from the pain in your hands, shaking uncontrollably. Don't over-sensationalize it. It'll be irrelevant.

Yeah, but the price (evidently) w/o Prime, is $4.99.

I did read it. Not everyone owns a Kindle (& has Prime).

It isn't free on Amazon. They still want $5.00: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sky-Black-Death-ebook/dp/B00794QI88/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1331159905&sr=8-3

I find all sorts of bruises when I do a lot of RW. It is a contact sport, ya know...

I'm sorry to read this. Not Cool. This comes to mind: http://www.ada.gov/ If decency won't prompt them to do the right thing. Fear of financial penalties might.

Phew... You guys are letting me off easy. I thought you'd ask what I was doing in a Boy Scout sleeping bag, naked (?!). I was actually wearing long johns, etc. It sure felt naked, though. Yep, live N learn.

She was beeeautiful