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I drove for a trucking outfit in Salt Lake for a while, many years ago. Some of my buddies had come back from a girlie bar one night. They were all mad. It turned out the Mormon version of nude dancers wasn't quite what they were expecting... Va_Va_Voom

Hanging harnesses are more realistic. Leaning harnesses are faster for a conga line of recurrencies on Safety Days. Boobies hang better from a leaning harness.

Um, Shah? What ever happened to that promise to be nice to engineering types, etc, etc...for a year?

Kenny, Can you explain for those of us who don't have a medical background why it isn't. thanks, lisa. Sorry, Lisa. I'd just posted up a nice reply to you w/a number of links to sites that explain the differences. Billvon chose to delete it... There was nothing political in it. What a surprise... I'll PM you instead, Lisa.

Come on down, brother. Many DZs go year-round down here.

Sorry Jim, but your reference doesn't prove your point. Alcohol is far more harmful to the human body. That's a proven fact. Feel free to Google it for yourself. "Bottom line on the Norway thing...it's against the law. 'If ya can't do the time don't do the crime.' As I've already stated. The DZO could've approached ALL guilty parties on the side, & laid down his law. It's his place of business. He has every right to do that. He chose to arbitrarily go after only two of several people, & come down on them. Were those two employees at the DZ? We don't know. It's irrelevant, anyway. If the premise is residual THC in their systems for safety. THC will also still be in the other people's systems. Just because they may not be on the payroll. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be a hazard, by his logic. I think his heavy-handedness wasn't cool. I think his only going after two of them definitely wasn't cool. If you penalize one. You should penalize them all. That's the glaring problem, here. The fact that he could have done this a better way is secondary at this point.

Kenny, Can you explain for those of us who don't have a medical background why it isn't. thanks, lisa. Hey Lisa, My PDR doesn't cover illegal drugs. There's a mountain of legal BS surrounding Marijuana, as well. I searched for some links to try & make sense of it for you. As you skim through the sites provided. Try to keep in mind the profit motive for classifying MJ as a Schedule 1 drug... The War on Drugs is very profitable for LE. Because of this. MJ has been classified as a Narc by legal sources, not medical. Medically speaking, Opioids are narcotics. MJ is not a narcotic. http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm http://www.health.qld.gov.au/atod/drug_info/illicit_drugs.asp http://www.pdrhealth.com/info/v1usrx/narcotic http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/narcotic

Why not? It's what you wrote and what I responded to. Again, debating the effects of drugs belongs elsewhere. Wrong again. Debating the politics of this belongs elsewhere. The effects of the drug are quite germane to the conversation. Debating the actions of the DZO probably belongs here.His actions definitely belong here. Yep, you are reading my "bias" correctly. Are you suggesting that YOUR bias is how I should align my thinking and how I should live my life? Meh, don't hold your breath (unless you are inhaling).I'm supporting my position w/verifiable facts. People here can make up their own minds about it. That's a part of a useful discourse on the subject. Your chiming in at the eleventh hour w/a few crass remarks serves no one any good. Except for you that is. It's obvious how much you enjoy that sort of thing...

You're kidding right, Jim? Did you read the site you're using to defend that with? They're not even close in potential damages. Smoking reef can cause a few different types of cancers. That risk can be mitigated by a few different ways. That's it. Alcohol, on the other hand. Has been proven to be toxic to virtually every organ system in the body. The list of damages known to be caused by alcohol is very long. Spend a few minutes Googling the toxic effects of alcohol. Then, come on back to me. I like ya, Gramps. You're just a little batty on this one .

Agreed, there are many nasty, dangerous drugs out there nowadays. MJ isn't one of them. I hope you don't equate Pot w/Meth., Crack, Heroin, Ecstasy, PCP, etc...? They're not in the same league. Dealers in Canada are selling baggies laced w/PCP for the same price? I seriously doubt that. They may have crossed baggies in error a few times. It usually costs more to get wet. PCP is a second drug they would surely charge for. The dirty drug biz is profit-driven, after all.

OK, Fair Enough. I tried not to, but this is straying into that end of the pool.

Wrong. Don't cite only part of my quote: "Reduced impairment the day after also has a bearing, here." That fact is at the heart of this debate. Calling it "Crap" only shows your bias.

I don't know him any more than you do, Doug. All I know, is what has been written, here. From that, I deduce that something stinks in Denmark. Or, was it Norway? The properties, virtues, & pitfalls of MJ do in fact have a place here. One facet of the OP's question deals w/legislative hypocrisy surrounding this drug. Reduced impairment the day after also has a bearing, here. But, as you like. We know that several peeps toked up at night after the day was through. We know that only two of those jumpers were selected to receive punishment. I think we can both agree that that in itself is grossly unfair. Can we not? If you punish one? You punish them all. He didn't do that. Not only do I question his choice for enforcing his policies. I reject his arbitrary meting out of punishment.

"I will agree with you that MJ "probably" doesn't have the same negative effects that alcohol has." Nothing "Probable" about it. It's a medical fact. Alcohol use does far more harm to the human body. MJ isn't a narcotic, BTW. Although the Pinkies in California's legislature classified it as such, for their own purposes. "I base what I say on what I have personally witnessed." Me too. You're a cop? I've been in nursing for >16years. "By the way, I'm glad to have a good conversation that doesn't degrade into name calling and flaming." Nah. That's in SC. A main reason I rarely go in there. Those folks love to argue...

I don't think you're preaching. I also don't believe the ratio is only 3/10 for pot smokers. More would openly admit it if it wasn't illegal. More people wouldn't suffer the ill health effects of booze if they had a safer alternative. You also wouldn't have to clean up after deals gone bad were it not illegal, BTW. I think most here see the big picture. If someone isn't responsible, & gets behind the wheel while impaired by either? Of course, bad things will often follow. That's not the point. THC is a far safer substance for the human body. Alcohol is toxic to virtually every organ we have. I hope you haven't bough into the party lies of LE surrounding this debate?

"I'm basically saying to look at the big picture and how far reaching the effects are. As far as I'm concerned, one life lost is one too many." Exactly. The War on Drugs is BS. All it has done is wreck lives, pad the payrolls of LE, & increase taxes... It is an utter failure. People have died while stoned? A whole lot more people have been killed by drunk drivers. If done after the jumping through for the day? It's safer than a few beers or whatever. How many hungover people cause accidents the day after? That doesn't happen w/reef. A DZ is a business. Valid point taken. HOWEVER, that DZO should've approached those smokers on the side, & laid down his law. Fair Enough, as it's his place of business. He didn't do that. He singled out two of seven people, for whatever bias, & punished them. That's not cool. Unless he has the only DZ for many miles. Don't be surprised to see an exodus of jumpers from that place.

Yes, one time several years ago. Happily, I didn't have to shoot them.

Sadly, I think Diablo is right...

Fuqqin Hippie Tree-Huggers.... They're messing w/my recreation.

Try actually jumping it between those pack jobs, The Shah. It'll come back to you a lot faster.

After they run out of pies... Besides, 100 jumps is nothing noteworthy. I think 500 jumps would be a much better milestone to slime someone w/the sticky stuff.

FWIW, I've an Optima2. You can set the canopy alarms pretty much wherever you like. Pitch & volume are also adjustable. Mine is set to 1,000'/600'/300'.

"I am very curious as to what other peoples opinions are with this discipline." Barbaric... Reef is far safer than alcohol for the human body. Butt-backward Govt.s cling to archaic laws protecting alcohol's profits. While demonizing a safer alternative drug. It's asinine.

"If you want to fly? Get out of the plane." Welcome to the other side of the door .

She was under a Tempo. So, it was tired & clapped out? It seemed to hardly respond to strong control inputs. The wind she was facing into didn't seem to slow her much at all. So, her Temp has too porous material, right?