Zenister

there isnt a single personal attack in my post, whereas yours clearly shows you lack any real understanding about what makes our country great... and it has NOTHING to do with the flag, and everything to do with the principles on which it was founded... i dont burn flags of any country, it simply doenst make any difference to me as i know it is a pointless act of protest.. I DO defend anyone's right to burn ours, or any others they wish to as i understand it is a reflection of the difference inherent in our system, and a clear expression of its strength in comparison to nearly all others.. you are clearly exchanging form over substance by defending an object more than the principle it represents... Obviously enough has not been said as you still seem to think the flag itself is more important...perhaps some American Civics lessons would help? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

continue to be a real patriot who understands the real value of a symbol.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

complete and utter bullshit.. you bought it with YOUR dollars, it is your flag to do whatever the fuck you want to... burn it, sleep with it, mount it on your truck, use it for a blanket in your dog's kennel ... it doesnt make a damn bit of difference.. it is a symbol nothing more, and symbols CANNOT BE HARMED by destroying their physical representations... they can only be harmed by undermining the fundamental principles they represent.. attitudes like yours and rhino's about a simple piece of colored cloth do more harm to our flag and our country than anything anyone has ever done with a lighter and fuel... you disgrace our flag, when you place a physical representation of our country higher than the principles on which it was founded... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

sounds like a riot... lets start a betting pool too... "cognitive dissonance " ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Eloy... then tour during the summer... ps. 25K is a 'nice start' but probably wont get you there on its own... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

its the only reason i havent quit... well not the only, but at least it compensates for the days the really suck.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

So what should I have done here? first, dont be embarrassed, its NOTHING to be embarrassed about at all..embarrasment is a silly emotion in the first place, particularly when you did NOTHING 'wrong'/ as to "what" simply smile, laugh and say "yes as a matter of fact it WAS an exciting dive" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

the country is FAR MORE than a simply piece of colored cloth.. anyone who doesnt understand that, and doesnt recognize that ANYTHING done to a piece of cloth has NO EFFECT on the country, but instead is a clear demonstration of the strength of our system in comparison to all others.... needs to get the fuck out... substance always outweighs symbols... and you cant destroy a symbol in the first place.. even if you burn a physical representation... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

what you fail to understand is they only saw the analysis that supported Bush's objectives, unlike the CIC and his direct advisors, they are not given access to the entire Intelligence cycle, nor do they have the ability to direct the cycle in the first place... the CIC does... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

that is the 'point' of Batman actually.. he isnt a 'super' hero, he is just a man with dedication, a purpose (and an unlimited bank account) but the 'press a button inflate your canopy' deal would be amazing for the BASE world.. we are working on 'memory metals' i honestly wonder who long till some of these ideas are closer to reality... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ask me tomorrow.. 94 is nothing... its more about rate of change and thermals than temperature anyway ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Z-28s, right?! el camino (no shit) at at least one site .... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you know i was going to let your ignorant rant slide till i caught this... you really should get out more.. see the rest of the world when your not carrying a firearm and overwhelming force and understand that America often stands by while “this kind of shit happens"... go visit a few more continents and get off the tourist paths.. it just might open you eyes to what really happens everyday. the US wouldnt be in Iraq AT ALL, if there were not potential long term strategic benefit for us by being there..... there are far worse dictators than Saddam, and people suffering in worse conditions than Iraq RIGHT NOW, that will never be addressed militarily by Bush (or any American administration for that matter) because there IS NO STRATEGIC/ECONOMIC BENIFET TO DO SO.. do your research, look to see what the administration expects to gain from a 'democratic Iraq" and then look at the date they made that original statement of intent.... if you believe Bush started this war "to help all those who could not help themselves", or that he is risking American lives to “help free the Iraqi people” well, you might want to be wary about your next urine analysis, because the hallucinogens will show up... Bush has obvious political and strategic objectives he wants to accomplish, and while I DO believe he has America’s long term interests at heart, I completely disagree with his methods.. … All of which has very little to do with ‘protecting innocent civilians’, they are simply an after thought, a pleasant side outcome, and good political propaganda to wave around when he is questioned about his REAL motivations for his rush to invade… ps.. you might want to reread your oath, and then join the UN or the Peace Corp (or better yet, your local police force/fire department) if you think your job is to “protect those who cannot protect themselves”, or to “protect the helpless”, because YOU ARE doing what you are doing, because some “stupid politician” (your words btw) told you to…as is every single member of the armed service…like it or not, you are the sword wielded by the hand of the politicians…. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

one word.. Eloy. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

not myth.. several studies and much anecdotal evidence support it... here is one link.. here is the biblography from it... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i think a key point to emphasize is that 'break off' doesnt mean 'immediately track away like a bat out of hell'.. it means the 'play' portion of your dive is over and you should look about and count the members of your group BEFORE you make any sudden changes in fall rate or direction.. (ideally your all on level and aware of each others locations LOOOONG before break off, but with larger groups and a wide range of skill levels that doesnt always happen... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

anyone who supports this amendment lacks basic faith in the American system itself and should be deported for not understanding the REAL principles our country was founded on... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

No, but we are in now so there is not much else to do. which is about the only thing we agree on here.. we broke the eggs, all on our own... now we've got to eat them no matter how rancid they become... of course not, what you STILL fail to grasp is everyone knows that manipulating data and spinning public opinion to back your political objectives is perfectly legal it is just pretty immoral as well, when it costs the lives of our military at no risk to your own..... all for little to no real gains to national security, and a heavy cost both in lives and economic stability... there MAY be some good long term effects, but those could have just as easily been accomplished on a longer, less dramatic timeline without the cost in American lives... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

issue? ok lets line them up. not one, but three seperate sources all point to Bush having a predilection to Regime change, BEFORE his election, BEFORE 9/11 and BEFORE the final results of the weapon inspectors.. he just needed an excuse the American public would accept... "bad Intel" became that excuse.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Wow, way to down play the sacrifices of the men and women who wear the uniform. not at all, it is a soldiers job to follow orders. you may become a soldier for a wide variety of personal reasons, but when told to charge the machine gun nest (and likely die doing so) you do it because you were ordered to... if you dont you shouldnt be a soldier in the first place..... soliders follow orders, politicians give them... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ignorance is bliss isnt it. you risk your lives because you are told to, no more, no less... you should have never been told to in this instance... did you oath include loyalty to the Iraqi people? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

your use of fallacy detection needs some work, but it is a nice attempt to turn one of my favorite tactics against me, so you DO get two points, but you need more practice.. from your response i gather 1. you have no issues with soldiers dying for their leaders mistakes, nor should that leadership be held responsible. 2. you dont care if those same soldiers also happen to be your friends and family. Off the top of my head the UN resolutions seem to come to mind. strange how you continue to blast the UN and yet use their resolutions as a justification? If UN resolutions are reason enough, why did we not continue to follow THE UN's timelines?? The UN WAS doing their job... Saddam was clearly contained and no threat to anyone other that his own people, continued investigations proved exactly that, as they would have if they had been allowed to continue without US interference.....but of course that wasnt good enough for Bush... which is it Ron, do they have any authority or not? you cant have it both ways... actually i admitted nothing of the sort, nor have i lied once. IF the standard of proof for impeachment were as flimsy as that used to invade, Bush would be long gone... but as I and those without blinders with the word "there is NO proof" strapped on are well aware, the criminal standard is MUCH more restrictive, and Bush and his 'advisors' would have never made it as far as they did politically if they did not well understand the principle of plausible deniability and know the means by which to enact their goals without leaving an evidence trail back to the top... besides they had their scapegaot anointed and ready all along... "we had "bad intel"(tm)" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ah that explains nearly everything...... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

what is really sad is you and the warhawks like you were not so vehement about PROOF, when it came to invading in the first place... but WTF! i mean it only the lives of American soldiers, why not risk them on the flimsiest of 'evidence' to fulfill a preestablished intent for regime change....(i suppose you never read the PNAC manifesto from before the first election either...) but again what the hell, its not like its your sweat and blood, it certainly isnt Bush's and after all they are only soldiers, its their job to die for their leaders mistakes and preconceptions........ maybe your tune will change when a few more of your friends and relatives (who could have easily lived out their lives and died of old age, at home in bed, with their wives and families, while we continued to contain a non-existent threat) have spilled their blood in the desert because BUSH SIMPLY WOULD NOT WAIT..... but please Ron, in all your frantic internet searches for more feeble excuses to invade, why dont you find one that justifies the Bush's "urgent need' and "imminent threat" ? why was it necessary to go in when we did? .... oh yea.. perhaps that is because (as is very clear now and was likely very clear to Bush from the start) if we'd waited for the investigation to finish, there would have been no MWD justification at all, and "I want to remove Saddam in my presidential term" simply would not have sold as well.... and of course there is no glory to be gained in the eyes of presidential history by being the man who "waited them out". It is to bad presidents are not judged on the number of American soldiers they DIDNT get killed......... there will never be an impeachment. Fortunately, our standard of proof for criminal action (if not criminal intent) is higher than that required for Bush to invade, and honestly there is nothing criminal about a politician manipulating the data to gain public support... morally bankrupt perhaps, when the goal you are creating support for costs American lives, but criminal? not at all...it is simply 'business as usual' for career politicians... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

singing at all can be vocally damaging... my guess is he turned down one of the judges still in the closet... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.