Zenister

I find it funny you can backpaddle that fast with a broken leg. Maybe you should stop taking so many pain drugs so you can remember what you have written? It would be comical except its so sad that you think you know more than anybody else, and can't even defend what you wrote. more ignorant comments. you know nothing of my medication levels, nor have i backpedaled in anyway. My definition has remained constant throughout the discussion. . Please illustrate where i am defining ‘life’ in that quote, or where I ‘claim to know more than anyone else’? No one (as yet in this discussion) is trying to define ‘life’ or where life ‘starts’. Life never stops, yet all things that are living do not have equal legal status. While you’re at it why don’t you answer something more pertinent to the real discussion? List the fundamental biological functions common to all members of the species homo sapien? Here I’ll start you off, Respiration…… Do you have a better answer to where/when a fetus (of any species) becomes a baby (an independent member of its species) and how to determine when it is granted all legal rights and status common to all other of the same species? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

You keep saying that YOU know the time when life starts even though Doctors don't...I guess you are God? Your explanation of when life starts (According to you) is so full of holes that I could strain spagetti with it. A child in the womb that needs life support is not a child, but an child just born that needs life support is, as is an adult that needs life support. And all the time you make cracks at me... I'm waiting for you to start a swoop school since you know everything. bah apparently you still cant read.. I have never said when life started, I challenge you to read and quote what i actually said, maybe you'll see exactly what i am defining... think you can find it? your not doing very well so far even though I’ve said it several times in this thread alone.... amazing how your failure to grasp the true nature of the discussion leads you to off topic assessments of 'what i know'.... maybe you should just stick to canopies and boxes since you have yet to read or comprehend the words i have actually written, and continue to assert I’ve said something I have not..... your continued lack of reading comprehension is comedic, and i wont apologize for laughing at it. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

its far more than simple word games. Logical, accurate definitions are very important when it comes to assigning legal rights and status. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Only you would be so confused to see that we are discussing the issue and that YOU are back peddling and your best argument is to argue with a DOCTOR about what life is and when it starts... i did nothing of the sort, the discussion was never over what life is or when it starts..... reading is fundamental. comprehension apparently not a given. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

only you would continue to mistake what we are really discussing.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Like democrats aren't the party of lawyers already, anyway. havent you been paying attention?? they are ALL lawyers ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Honestly, I don't know. And that was the point of my post, science doesn't know, and a few posters on here were claiming to use scientific evidence where none exists either way. How one defines life, or humanness, or sentience is variable, and there's no scientific standard for that line. As science evolves, someday a 2 month old fetus may be born prematurely and survive, thus changing again the 'potential' vs 'real' human. Science does know. It is clearly defined. The proof is in the test. Can the standard be tested? This can be, even with the 2 month old.. the question is 'does the 2 month old survive on it's own? or in a replicated womb?" when it no longer needs the replicated womb environment it is a baby. Science may make it possible for that to occur at 2 months vs 6 months or 8 months as it has in the past. But the definition, the standard never changed, only the timeline at which it is applied. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

thinks they are gonna need camera fliers.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

what was the ground speed of the Herc like?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ummm yea.. by the M4. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

heh... E5 board answer Q: why do you want to be an NCO? A: So i dont have to sign out the bolt cutters. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I'm not sure where your logical scientific perspective is coming from. I am a doctor, and my 'logical scientific perspective' is different than yours. A 6 month fetus can survive outside the uterus. To kill this fetus in any way, whether murder or abortion, is still killing a life that could live independently of its' mother.I don't know where the line between life and nonlife is drawn, and I know of very few doctors or scientists who claim that they can precisely name it with sound research backing up their claim. The science of fetal development just isn't to that point yet. as a doctor you should have noticed I have never drawn a line about 'life or non life'. I am using an objective, definable standard to determine when a fetus becomes human (or really when any potential member of a species becomes a member of that species) the 'line' is the point at which a fetus becomes a baby. and you are agreeing with me. If a six month old fetus can survive on its own outside of the womb (or other host environment that replicates the support functions of the womb) it is no longer a potential human (fetus) it is a human baby, and should be granted all the rights common to the rest of it’s species. Before the point it is ‘viable’ self sustaining, its basic biological functions are still dependant on its host (mother or surrogate) and so is still a fetus, a potential human (member of its species). at what point would you suggest we grant full legal rights and standing ? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

from anyside of the political fence you have some serious definition issues in your use of the relatives 'good' and 'bad' .... and your mistaking a single point perspective for the 'entire picture'. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

That's only when in conjunction with the commission of a federal crime and I wonder if it will stand up to appeal. which is exactly the point of this discussion, we currently have a law written from a POV of feeling and religious belief, not from a logical scientific perspective. Hopefully the courts will realize the can of shit they will open if they uphold this law, and set it as a precedent. Soon pregnant women everywhere could be charged for huge list of otherwise daily activities that could potentially be dangerous to potential humans.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

winter? winter is when the otter starts to fill up on the early morning loads... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

aww dude, the bellyfliers leaving the plane 'enmasse' is one of the best things about the skyvan...it's really fun when you get to run 'uphill' after them ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

several month long 'melees' like #711 are why fireworks dont impress me so much... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

iirc indian casinos cannot 'bank' the table, which leaves out games like craps, blackjack etc where you are playing against the house... it changes the dynamics significantly enough i dont enjoy gambling at such places.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

well i suppose close is relative... i did just put some 8000 miles on my car so... i might be a bit jaded still ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Eloy, Arizona is pretty close to most of Nevada ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

otter caravan skyvan porter repeat ad infinum

chillin in the az.. damn its hot, real hot, hot hot... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Umm... no. The movie didn't tell me anything I didn't know (or argue about) already. indeed... Moore's 'intel' is waaaaay behind anyone who really pays attention... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

hmm something about my leg... but i'm walking, you know i bet i could land a navigator....hmmmm oh well i'll likely be out at eloy sunday to watch everyone play... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

check the standard for involuntary manslaughter. 'Intent to kill' has no bearing on it. I think you'll be really surprised what a pregnant woman could be charged with if a fetus is redefined as a human at any point before it becomes self sustaining.. Common sense has nothing to do with it, not when it comes to the law, the only thing that matters legally is what the law actually says, and what the worst possible outcome could be if the law were interpreted to apply equally to potential humans as well as humans. This is why science and logic instead are much better standards than feelings and religion to determine where/when we grant equal rights as a member of the human race.....unless of course your going to advocate we 'hold women hostage' for the last 4 months of pregnancy to protect the parasitic life form developing inside them? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.