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Who is TOG? Thanks n! = 6 3! = 6 take your choice. I'm guessing this is a Knoss term for "The Other Guy" Good guess, Dave. Does anyone know what TOG means, or who this is? Bob, are you going to help us out here?

I'm quietly trying to slip you the real story in total, because TOG can't tell it himself. Mac can't either, although he wants to. I'm the gopher. TOG or Mac could stop me in a split second with a short visit and a request. Who is TOG? Thanks

Yes, by all means contact him, Dave. I'd love to chat with him too, if you could share the contact info.

QuoteI believe that is misinformation. I got an address in west Portland. Cook was the reporter, Bruce has access. I think Bruce has a phone number. You can Google phone numbers for location.... But what do I know? Quote I do not have Janet's phone number nor her real name; hence, I do not have her address. However, Galen told me where she lived in 1971 when she saw what she saw, and that was a neighborhood east of I-5 in the then-suburban Vancouver area, off of Mill Plain Rd, as I recall.

It might be worth noting, if you had something better than Dropzonem you probably wouldnt be here at all. Few rational people would. Quote Ahem, Georger, wouldn't we be known as Dropzonim? Just asking. Good yontiv.

Coming to terms with Bob Knoss is part of the DB Cooper experience. Either what he says is true or not true, and we have to decide for ourselves. If what he says is true, and that his recall is altered by the mind-control activities of MKULTRA-Bluebird AND his re-telling is hounded by fears of retribution, then I suggest that we need to explore his comments from those angles. If what he says is not true, then his motivation for his ever-increasing postings here is fueled by another agenda. Ultimately, we get to decide how to proceed. Seeking clarity, I asked his wife what she thought of these commentaries, and she declined to comment. I asked Bob for the phone number for his attorney, as have many, and I have not received it yet. I also contacted Jim Rataczak, who was cautious and gentlemanly in his response, and although he did not give me any definitive statements about Bob's truthfulness, Jim did acknowledge that he knew Bob and they had discussed the skyjacking.

and what would you do? Thjey had been ordered to cooperate. Ordered! That seemed the best overall strategy. You are hostage with no escape route and facing a guy with a bomb ... a little like dealing with some of the people in this forum! I would probably do the same as Tina, and hopefully be as skilled doing it. I applaud her decision and marvel at her skill. I agree with Rataczak that Tina's ability to keep Cooper cool, calm and collected was the key piece of their surviving the ordeal.

Buy the book. Read it. Accept it. You Government at work in the general public. "Deliver us from evil, for theirs is the Kingdom and the Power, and the Glory, Forever.." "In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162" Thanks for the link to Dr Colin Ross and his book "Bluebird," Bob. I wasn't aware that Dr. Ross had delved into this realm. I've read some of his other work on MKULTRA-related themes. Although he do longer responds to my emails, earlier in our relationship he did tell me that he was not aware of any connection between the DB Cooper case and the mind-control activities of the MKULTRA folks.

Or maybe...he just took it off to put the parachute on and then forgot about it?

Thanks for the kudos, Bob, but I'm really not the best authority on actual dialogue. I certainly defer to Sluggo, Georger, Snowmman, and GG. But I do recall that Tina asked, "Do you have a grudge against Northwest?" And DB C replied famously, "Let's just say I have a grudge." I'd also like to add that Tina's comment that DB C was a "very sad man," is her perspective of the skyjacker after the fact, and after she had endured whatever it was that kept her on ice for thirty years and out of the public view. At the time of the hijacking, she was cracking jokes and smoking cigarettes with the guy, at least part of the time - according to GG. When Tina made her comment to Jo, she, too, was a very sad person as far as I can tell, and certainly angry, based on my personal experience and research.

A quick interjectory comment on titanium. Norman Hayden just told me that he did not have any titanium projects in his shop prior to the skyjacking. As a result, the titanium most likely did not arrive on DB Cooper's tie via contact with a Ti-dusted parachute or sack.

Ok, while Cooper was on the plane they noted him to being in his 50's, later statements discount that and go as young as in his 30's, the description of him is all over the board, why am I in bold letters Quote Yes, the question of witness-reliability is paramount. This is made more problematic since Florence and Tina don't want to talk with us at the moment, and Alice is apparently very reluctant as well - and well-hidden since I can't find her. I understand that the many composite sketches reflect the divergence of opinion of the FAs, who were considered, at first I believe, to be the most reliable. Then some questions arose on that regard within the FBI and they reached out to passengers, which resulted in the composte B sketch, as I understand it. I'd love to hear more about Mr. Almstad's view on the Cooper pix. Jerry! Are you ever gonna tell us???? Nevertheless, I find the recent revelations by Geoffrey, via one of the passengers that DB C was 5'8", had marcelled hair and wore a russet jacket to be pretty wild. For the record, Almstad told me that he remembers Cooper looking pretty much like the sketches he had seen in the newspapers shortly after the incident, but he hadn't seen any pic of suspects other than Mel when I talked with him.

We have more productive things to discuss. Take the tie-tanium for example. I'd like to see if Norman (the owner of the main chutes) who ran an active machine shop during the time of the skyjack, might have been the source of the metals found on the tie. If the chutes were kept in his shop might they have been contaminated with titanium residue and aluminum curls? Could Cooper's tie have picked up residue from the chutes? Bruce could ask Norman if he was working with titanium prior to the skyjack and if so what type? Quote Perhaps I could call Norman and ask him simply about the presence of titanium. My relationship with Norman is pretty uneven, but perhaps the past six months since I visited him in his shop have cooled his anxieties about getting into a brouhaha with Cossey. Bob Sailshaw also presents the notion that different forms of titanium were readily availble in scrap boxes at Boeing, and in the very department that Sheridan Peterson may have worked as a tech writer. I think discussions on the tie and titanium are very valid, and I welcome more attention on this matter.

QuoteI believe the idea of the hijacker wearing any kind of makeup can be discounted. Multiple witnesses saw Cooper. One was the ticket agent, Williams. The others were stews and some passengers. NONE of them reported that they thought the hijacker wore any kind of makeup. Quote Not exactly. I have received reports from normally reliable sources that Florence says that DB Cooper was wearing make-up. The actual source of this information asks for anonymity, but nevertheless, the question of make-up can not be dismissed easily. Apparently, information enters the Cooper file in a couple of ways. First, there are written reports and these are primary, and then there are verbally understandings that get passed down like tribal histories. Obviously, these are more problematic. But they still may contain important truths.

McCoy goes from a full dress uniform Military guy, turns around and jumps out of a plane, then goes on a Bank spree, then becomes a Federal Marshal? WTF? This is better than the debate about Obama's Birth Certificate McCoy is actually muich stranger. Prior to his skyjacking, he was studying Law Enforcement at BYU AND had scored #1 in the Utah State Highway Patrol exam. In addition, according to Richard Tosaw, McCoy had been admitted to a VA hospital for a psych eval in October, '71, and released after a couple of days. Further, he was known for his valor in Vietnam, even flying rescue missions to save ARVN soldiers.

True status of the Amboy parachute. --- The Seattle FBI announced (later) that the Amboy chute was NOT Cooper's. They based this conclusion mostly on Earl Cossey's claim that the Amboy chute was SILK, a biodegradable material, and that the chute given to Cooper was made of nylon, or ripstop nylon. (Non-biodegradable materials) ----- No container and harness were found with the chute... Quote Earl Cossey told me that the Amboy canopy was not a chute aboard Flight 305 because he assertained that it was a cargo chute and was 30 or 32-foot in diameter (I forget the exact dimension at the moment), whereas the chutes that went to Cooper were smaller. Now, I know that Coss is not particularly reliable, but that is the information I have to go on for the moment. Bob Sailshaw is trying to arrrange a luncheon with Coss and I so we can straighten this and many other aspects of the parachuting angle, and I hope Bob's social graces can succeed where mine have been less productive - although slamming down the phone on me does provide a neat dramatic flare to the story. What I thought was the most interesting aspect of the Amboy Flap was that Coss said that the feds wanted him to sit on the announcement - that the chute wasn't DB Cooper's - for a few days. That in effect, they wanted to milk the publicity. That is a key clue in my judgement, assuming that Coss is telling the truth about the FBI's actions. Sigh.

Bruce, The entire meeting was done under hypnosis. I was brought out AFTER they left the building. I didn't even meet them until after I was under. Sentenced to 4 years, UNLESS I sign on the dotted line with a 20 year contingency? That was ILLEGAL coersion according to my attorneys. Tell me more, please.

In all those cases, the individuals had military experience, training and happened to be IN the military, a claim Bob has not ever made. None of his stories match up with what he says happened and what actually happened in those experiments. Matt Granted. But can anything be learned from them that could be applied to evaluate Bob's claims. I say it's possible.

Greetings All, For those who doubt Mr. Knoss, or have trouble believeing what he is saying, a helpful perspective is provided by other sources talking about "super soldiers" and the current status of remote viewing, particulary under battelfield conditions. The following video I found emmensely interesting. I make no claim of its authenticity, but it shows a logical progression of individual skills and military capabilites from those discussed in "The Men who Stared at Goats," the Earth First Battalion, and the Remote Viewing programs as described by Joe McMoneagle, David What's-his-name who wrote Psychic Warrior, and the work by Hal Putoff at Stanford. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYO-iABnQd4&feature=player_embedded From what Bob has told me in phone interviews, I think his characterization of being "coerced" is a better fit for what actually happened than "arrest." That said, I still don't fully understand why Bob felt as "coerced" as he appears to have been. I'd love to hear more about his decision to join the NORJAK team. I know he didn't feel he had many options, but I'd like to better understand why.

(I)n the last sentence of you post you state that food was scattered over the rear portion of the cabin of the aircraft after it landed in Reno. Quote Rataczak told me during our interview in 2009 that Cooper had meals brought aboard for the crew while they refueled in Seattle. Bill said the dinners were placed in styrofoam containers and placed on the seats in first class nearest the cockpit. He said they never touched them and that they were still there when they landed in Reno. He described the LE entrance onto the plane at Reno as near-pandemonium, and that the dogs and their handlers were one of the first to board. They dogs headed straight for the food and ate away. Bill laughed as he told me this. It seems like there was little discipline or control of the dogs, and perhaps elsewhere on the aircraft at that time. I gather from what Bill told me that the dogs made a mess.

#1 I believe the head stone is incorrect on his birth, this really does not exclude him alone, but Marla should have caught this just as I did if she really checked her family background as she says. (or did she and remain silent) #2 she said in a interview that Granny was extremely ill the last couple years of her life, she died 24 months after the crime so how did she have this big dinner and go into town to bake pies? #3 she now has two landing spots, first saying they had to go back into the woods and find the money, then claims he landed over farmland? #4 she claimed her family at the time was extremely poor and yet was able to make the trip to Sisters among other family visits from Oklahoma if I'm not mistaken where she lived at the time Quote Where Marla's family lived and for how long is a bit tricky to nail down. I have read an account that Marla and her family arrived in Sisters, OR for Thanksgiving in 1971 from the Spokane, WA area. Later, they apparently left the Oregon area and the PNW, and relocated to New Mexico. Both Marla and her brother Dave post on their Facebook pages that they graduated from the high school in this New Mexican town, but Marla told me she only lived there for about a year, if I understand her correctly. Then Marla and her family moved to Oklahoma, as she tells it. In effect, the Cooper clan made a huge oval in their migration - Marla's father leaving Missouri for the West when he was a kid, raising his own family in the PNW, and then eventually moving to Oklahoma when his kids were getting older. Keeping track of everyone in Marla World is compounded further by the multiple marriages across the generations. Regardless, the key element to keep afixed is the action of the FBI. They are the ones who raised Marla's profile. They are the ones who told the world that LD was the "most promising." They may also have the biggest dog in this fight. Argfff!

I heard from Sluggo. He is OK. I dont think he misses this part of the Cooper Vortex at all. I wonder what kind of rehab succeeded in curing the addiction? And what became of Marla? Has she given up or is she still hoping to publish? She sure livened up the Portland Symposium. The real mystery woman of the symposium was the lovely author Musika Farnsworth, who said little and revealed even less. And Georger, I was there. I do not recall Carol Abraczinskas endorsing Marla's story. Carol's DB Cooper comic presentation was first rate and very entertaining. She only pointed out coincidences and drew no conclusions. 377 One of Marla's ex's emailed me this week to say that Marla's book publisher has abandoned the project. Oh, well. As for Mooshie, I would welcome her back to Cooper World at any time, but she is a woman who fiercely clings to her perceptions and opinions. Given my current status in post-cardiac recovery, I think I am better off for the moment with more circumspect companionship. Actually, I would love to spend an afternoon shopping with the woman, particularly in upscale boutiques. I'm sure it would be unique in my pantheon of experiences.

Yup, glad to be around rather than a statistic. Funny how people are responding to my heart attack. My mom was unemotional, or rather just pragmatic and not too excitable. Then my sister called to say that a neighbor of my mom's had just called her saying that she had just taken my mom's BP and it was 222 over 192, which was higher than mine when I got admitted to the hospital. Then my ex in NY called me, and picked a fight that basically fell under the theme: "Don't you dare die on me, you sonovobitch!" Ah, I feel the love. Ain't it grand?

Well, we ain't dead, yet. Sluggo emailed me over the last weekend, Feb 26th or so, and although it was exceptionally brief, it did say "Wayne" at the end, so I assume that Mr. Sluggo is still with us in this reality. Then, the next day, Feb 27, I went and had a serious heart attack of my own. 95% blockage in one of the four cardiac arteries and 30 % in a second. I'm alive because I'm a sensitive new-age guy and didn't do the tough-it-out-tough-guy thing and thus called 911 as soon as I had chest pains bigger than heart-burn. One of the splendors of being a local newspaper reporter is that when you're facing death a paramedic whom you have recently done a story on may actually show up at your door with a defribulator and other pricey gadgets that will help save your body. Note: after I made the phone call, I had to pee, so I walked outside my 16-foot RV trailer and relieved myself in the nearby bushes. Hearing the sirens of my rescuers screaming toward me on Mountain Hwy a mile or two away as I whizzed was just so weird - one of many weird experiences I had in this latest journey of life. Another was calling my 89-year old mom and telling her that I had had a heart attack. usually, I'm taking care of her. Life, go figure. Within hours I was in a cardiac surgical unit and getting a stent put into my artery to relieve the blockage. Stents are like little flexiible pipes that get whiggled into place inside the heart via the femoral artery. The docs cut into my right-inner thigh, accessed the right-femoral artery there and snaked a balloon-pipe kit into the heart and then played a video game on million-dollar consoles called: Fixing Cousin Brucie's Heart. After scoring the Big Touchdown and getting oxygenated blood flowing back into my heart tissue, I was good to go. During the procedure I probably had more drugs in me than a skydiver has after a post-jump party. In fact, at one point I said to myself, "How come I can still understand English?" Although the pharmaceuticals tended to drop off after awhile, the clinical staff were still working on me at 4 am. So, all Hail Good Sam Hospital - Puyallup-WA! After two days of recovery, they cut me loose, and here I am back online, drinking some red wine and sending Love Out Into the World!

Here's the latest on passengers: General consensus is 37 passengers including DB Cooper. That means 36 left the plane. Sluggo, Galen, and others. There are a few folks weighing in with 38, too! One of the big questions are the identities of the MacPherson clan. So far I have a Scott, Steve and Bill, composing a possible father, son, uncle and nephew. In addition, Jo says there was a smokejumper named Mr. Loughton who got on in Missoula. McShutter, the DZ's latest whiz-kid researcher has given me an address and phone number of a guy matching the available data to see if he was aboard 305. Assuming two MacPhersons/McPhersons and no Loughton, there are 36 plus Danny Boy. So, let's see - this month we haven't come to any agreement on the number of passengers, their names, what seats they were in, and the wind and rain or the lack thereof. Am I missing anything? Oh, gender of the bag o' money carrier. Nevertheless, I remain optimistic about solving the case. (smile).