JerryThomas

Snowmann The FBI did not tell! Tom to keep his data under wrap's.That was Tom that ask every one not to release any info, untill after he published his report. Tom, Dominated and controlled most of every day. His scientific research involved! fishing with money logging GPS locations. Taking pictures and collecting a few sand samples. That cover's it.He spent alot of time measuring distances, and the time it would take the money, on the end of a fishing pole with line, to sink and how far it would travel. This was kind of pointless. He first dipped the money in the water,( on the Columbia River) then threw it in, to see how far the river current would move it.Guess what it sank. The only time the money moved any great distance was on the washougal. it even moved a great distance under water as will as on top, didn't sink as fast though because of the faster moving current. Tom spent most of his time on Tina's Bar. And with the media. The one that did the most constructive work during this time frame was Geof Gray. How ever the FBI agent from Washington DC, did his fair share documenting. as much as he could, his name was Bruce. I don't recall his last name. But he was a hell of a pool player.Jerry

Geoger The cow's did not have access to the river.They were fenced off.No the Ingrams did not collect any fragment's.Now Tom used a Gps at every location we visited. The younger Fazio brother pointed out the area and the distance of the debris field to Larry Carr and I. It was about 200ft. The large bundles of money was found below the debris field about half way or center of it's length ( the debris field).Geoger I know you don't like calling and talking to people but i"m sure the Fazio's would enjoy talking to you so why not give them a call. You'll be glad you did. They are aware of this web site and those who visit it. Glad you had a cup of coffee.Jerry

Jo I have not taken Bruce anywhere. Bruce is in Vancouver I'm back in Baker City Oregon. I don't plan on hooking up with Bruce untill next sunday even this is not etched in stone.As far as the Lewis River is concerned snowmman No I did not take Tom up there.Yes Tom did do float test on the columbia river his assistants was Geof Gray and Brian Ingram Carrol also assisted. All I did was throw objects in the water and observed. Spent alot of time talking to the fazio's And Larry.Mainly I just enjoyed being there.Jerry

Snowmman. Nah! at least your honest. Jerry

Snowmman. I at one time didn't believe the washougal river was possible.However after exstensive research On how the money could have gotten where it did.I had no choice but to concied to the fact that there was no other way it could have arrived. at the location it was found. When you look at the condition of the money and the location the way it was transported the amount of time that had pased the river current and speed during high tide to include the power of water the miles it can travel. What options are left. None. Let's not forget that only minor circumstances support the Washougal theory adding to it's plauseability. All other theories requires more or divine intervention. Sure there may be holes in this theory.But not many.Why! because it is the only way the money could have entered the river the way it did and the condition it did. Now the black that apears on the money is a common occurance on most articles found in this area especially on the washougal river and its tributaries.It's an algea. It apears on wood rocks plastic cloth and most other elimates.Common for this area. Jerry

Snowmman does this mean we don't have to worry about the contamination level rising in The Washougal River, now that you're not going to jump in it.Jerry (humor)

377 The fazio's are not the only ones that remember the debris field. Nor was there a conspiracy. Remember there was more than one FBI agent on this site during the investagation. Why don't you ask them what they remember. I'm sure they will all tell you what the results of the Investigation was.Also The FBI were not the only ones at the site during the Investagation. The New's media was out there in force along with other curious onlookers.Jerry

Snowmman. The Fazios are very addament in there belief's that the money washed down from the washougal river. Give them a call they'll tell you this.Jerry

One of the brothers does have a memory problem the youngest does not.The youngest is the one that told me about the debris field. The memory loss the oldest brother has was due to a stroke, as I understand it. The debris field at the high tide mark was left as the water started to recend When this hapened the heavier bundles washed back towards the river and was covered by sand.This is a common accurance.The debeis field did exist I discussed it with Ralph for verification and he also remembered it. I recently talked to Ralph and ask him again about the debris field and he did confirm it. Also back in March When Brian Ingram was there he also cofirmed the existance of the debris field and backed up The youngest Fazio's brother"s story. The youngest brother remembered the same locatoins as Brian did.Brian and the youngest brother together walked to the exact spot that Brian found the money.Both agreed on the exact location. So I do not question the youngest Fazio's brother's memory.Nor do I question Brians. Jery

Snowmman For Natiunal Geo's theory to be believed. The ship that would have been responsible for the deposit on Tina's Bar can be pin pointed.This ship would have to of done this with in 48hrs of the money being found. You see the visitors to Tina's Bar during this time frame was a great deal. The pieces observed by the Fazio's was in plain site and easily spotted. At any rate the longest period of time that this could have taken place is one week. Your mission should you decide to except it , is to check the records for this time frame and Identify the names of the ships that passed Tina's Bar during this Time frame and how far up river they went.Then check the amount of rain falls for those days. I believe the results will prove Nationa Geo's theory is flawed.Jerry

Tides are definatly different in this river in the summertime However it is not strong enough to support a theory that would alow a body to be transported such a great distance. Lets not forget the time of year the money was found. During high water table's the columbia river has such a strong current that everything is moved toward the ocean.Now the high tide level from where Bruce entered the water too the location the money was found is at least 100ft That is how low the river is at this time of year. The current at high tide only alows objects to go in one direction. Does anyone honestly believe that the summers current would have brought the money such a great distance up stream? Do you have any idea how far that would have to of been? For it to of withstood months of high water flow only to be deposited on tinas bar at high tide. The lewis River theory is a no go. Maybe ET was cooper and put the money on Tina's bar and the small bits of money were leftover's from the money he had eaten. Jerry

Bruce drop by the big foot Inn and enjoy. In the rainy season all streams and rivers tell a different story as you will Know.Take time and drop by the washougal and vancouver library you will find many answers there. Try checking the water levels and rain fall for the time frame in question also the river heigts then look at the weather maps they have for the date in question you will be enlightned. Jerry

Bruice You did good. Jerry

Snowmman The phone call had nothing to do with dropzone. It dealt with a documantary that was done 3 yrs ago on the cooper case that featured myself and others. Jerry

Georger My Phpne has rang off the hook all day from as far away as Ireland and south africa japan and china. To Include National geographic.I need to talk to you give me a call. If you get a chance. After the last post you made on your theory I would like to Know if you still believe Diatoms is not a option.Jerry

I guess after last nights viewing all of you are in shock. This is why back in march I refused to be Interviewied by National Geographic Not even Tom was prepaired for this release. It is A theory that has been brought up before. Call it my fault if you like. 15 yrs ago it was a joke. Oh! well someone took it serious.But to believe someone would publish it. What a shock it's almost Like saying Duane Weber or myself was Dan Cooper. Or Better yet time to confess Georger you were Cooper And Snowmmann you Knew it all along. Shame on you Guys.Yes I did post about Backwash And have known about it for years I even pointed it out to Tom K His comment was very enteresting. But still That theory never could have happened. I only pointed it out to show what the river itself could do. Now I encourage all of you to make a phone call to the Fazio's Brothers or a trip to Tina's Bar and talk to them in person and then contact me And I will take all of you on a tour of the entire area. Then you can make your own determination on what could have happened verses Fantisies. Jerry

Tina's bar was where the money was found. However There was many piece's of money on the bar that was not recovered.They were small pieces/bits.This was above the point where Brian found the bundles of 20's . This was verified by the fazio's Brothers. The brothers were the one's that escaveted the site for the FBI.Still to this day they rember these facts. The last time I talked to the fazio's was in March of this year> Brian was on the site and pointed out the exact spot that he found the money. Larry Carr was also present along with Tom, Carrol, Geof and a FBI Agent from DC.,They all question the Fazio brothers.They were told by the Fazio's that they believed the money floated to the Bar from the washougal. They also stated that they had seen a lot of debris in the past that had floated down to the Bar and still do. They are very adament on the fact that the money found floated down to the bar from the Washougal. Jerry

Geoger Lets not be childish. We must consider That new idea's can still solve this case. Like Diatoms. Science is still the key as you will know. So what makes you think that you can not be a important part of this case. I only stated fact. I believe new Ideas an science can solve this case. you know that.We have discused this. For you to make the statement that you did is a insult. Your a good friend and exstemely knowledgeable in many area's. Your expertise is needed. Jerry

Georger. I'm not wrong. When Cooper did his thing It was the most publizied and documented in history Sure there was others however it was not as publizied as Coopers and still to this date it is the biggest story on record. It is considered to be the beginning of terrorist hyjacking on record. This is fact. I don't claim to know much. What I do know is more about this case than anyone but Ralph and he will tell all that I know as much as he does. The bottom line is that I have researched this case for the past 30 yrs since 1988 I have done all the test and researched every possible senario. So believe me when I say that I do Know more about this case than most. Alot of people waist time researching the things I have already done. When asked they still doubt me. Now lets examine the outcome of there research. Not one can tell you I am not right. All will tell you I am. Too second guess me is wrong. I have covered all basis. I have left no stone unturned.I have questioned everything any one can think of and then some. Jerry

Your write in one respect. However why would you request things that you were not sure you would get and then be surprised when you recieved it. Cooper used road flares to hyjack this aircraft. Had the stewardesses Known what road flares looked like they would not have been so alarmed.Still the fact that someone would attempt to use this tactic was very alarming and set off chaoes aboard the aircraft.This in its self produced panic. Jerry

Duane was left handed. Was Cooper No he was not all reports indicate cooper was right handed.Jerry

Snowmman once again he did not think he would get the money or the chutes it was a shock to him that he got anything at all.This is why he was so supprised when he got anything at all.We must remember that this was before the terrorist days. The simple fact that it worked for him started the skyjacking era, for ransom and political purposes. Known fact. One more thing second guessing my comments is good Thank You .Jerry

Bruce If cooper was an experenced Jumper or military trained he would not have chossen the chutes he did.At most he researched the aircraft he used.He choose it because of the stairway.He was totally shocked that he got the money as easily as he did. He started a hole new game of airpiracy. By using a bomb. instead of a gun.Contrary to rumors That a bullet will penitrate the skin of a airliner and cause Havoc.This is not true However a bomb Is the choice of distruction and kills all. Cooper relized this and used it to his advantage.Stupid he was dumb he was not.He forgot to realize the enviroment and what he would have to wear to have a succesfull Jump. This was his down fall he did not believe he would even get the money.He did not properly prepair for what would happen if he did get money.I believe he was on a suicide mission otherwise he would have been much better prepaired. Jerry

Orange 1 It was a compliment in the highest form /respect. Jerry

Snowmman.I have already posted in the past my Training/ experence To include my Military service. Your write not much is known about me. So lets just say I have taken many chances gone through exstensive training Endured many hardships.Last but not least I'm still alive I've done things people dream of doing and I've done things Most people would be ashamed to admit. I am not prowd of the live's I have taken or the medals I've been awarded.What I am prowd of is the fact That I raised two kids on my own and suported two others. This was very difficult for me to do while still in the military.Although I had custody of two children and had to leave them with Hired help I still did my best. And served my country. I met Shelly Just before I retired from the military .That was 23 yrs ago. my oldest son is 37 my oldest grand child is 18. now you have some Info. Jerry