JerryThomas

Snowmman. Chalenge you Never. Except when given a chance.Ha hA . jUST TIME For people to understand how hard this jomp would have been to complete.To have completed this Jump you would have had to of been one of america's elite or one of the elite from another country. During this time frame very few countrie's trained there personell in this type of operation. Had it of been a trained person (and it would have had to of been) There would not have been any evidence, apear. They would have carried out the operation very differently. Sorry Jo I just busted your final bubble. Still Hi Tech today would make it possible for some one to pull this off. However We would all no where to find a suspect.The US has about 45 team's that is trained to make jump's requiring the training and experience to do this . However back in the year that this was done not even a hand full of people could have pulled this off.If one of them had this case would have ben solved and no money would have been found at Tina Bar. Jerry

Snowmman Money chewed up. How could this happen I guess Jaw's did it , It sure wasn't a dredge. Now examine the piece's of the 20 dollar bill's you will find that there is no tear signs only natural decay and result's of tumbling. A natural occurance in water. I have reviewed a lot of the post . I guess every one decided not to ignore Io any longer. Oh well Duane still was not Cooper. Quade would have made a better Cooper at least he can Hallo jump with a pay load. I don't think a lot of you understand how hard it is to jump from a aircraft with excess baggage . wind turbulances and weight causes you to spin. tomble role . It takes many jump's to learn how to control these action's. Any experienced Jumper will tell you that it is exstremly hard to control your body position with bag's tied to you. I m positive that duane webber did not have this experience. Very few people did . The person that could have pulled this jump of with excess bagage atached would have to of been highly trained and one of a very few. A normal person could not have done this and survived . Here's a chalenge to any one with only novice experience. Jump under the same codition's as cooper did carrying the same weight using the same chute at night . document it when you do make sure you have a GPS device so we can find your body. But first tell me where your funeral will be held so I can atend. Jerry

Geoger. Fazio's did not spread any of the dredging's . (on the beach)The only one that ever spread the dredging's was the army corps of engineer's.This was done only in highly concetrated area's. By the way I do realize my spelling is bad. Jerry

Snowmman. Your Braging again . Or maybe your Imagination Has finally left this earth and is now orbiting MAR'S Jerry

Snowmman. realy . Time to show all. Jerry Ps I realy did not understand your last post. Please explain . Was it a riddle.

Bruce . If you ask Galen again he will tell you that the flight path was accross troutdale. Now also ask him who actually was flying the aircraft. I'm sure he will tell you that I am correct.Jerry Ps. Ask the person that was flying the aircraft at the time.One more thing question the radar statement you will find it very interesting.

Zazi . You kind of took my post wrong. I have posted in the past that the flight plan that was published was wrong. I also posted that the published flight plan is a mystery. to most (as to where it came from) The fact is that the flight path was over Troutdale and not over portland. The reason for this was, It was the less populated area. The pilot's were given a choice . They could either go East.From the flight patern (23V)or west toward's the ocean . They chose east.The weather was ,to say the least bad. The wind's were rough . The altitude of the aircraft was above certain turbulance's. When you get close to the columbia River Gorge the air current's change rapidly .Every one alway's thought that the flight path was over portland then followed I,5 not true. The original calculation's were wrong . The pilot's flew to the east to avoid all populated area's. Back in the early 70's Troutdale and gresham had little population. Hope this bring's you up to date. Ps. There is alot of Info that has not been made public. There is however Info that has been given that is correct. For instance most people think that the money found is with the FBI And brian Ingram. Not true. The majority of the money is in the hand's of the Insurance company .This is where it get's tricky. The original insurance Co. or should I say the name of that company has changed. The money can still be traced. I know I just did this. It is avaliable for inquiry. at the archive's of the new company. The money is locked up in a vault at the archive's of the new company. Jerry

Orange 1 fantastic . Comment . Still a open mind we all must keep. I have a problem keeping a open mind on a few subject's. I'm still learning. Believe it or not I have learned a lot from you .Snowmman .Georger .377 Quade and other's. (I'm still trying to make sense out of one true fact. And the fact is why there is Ice worms in glacier's.Somthing's can not be explained. Our only choice is to find or resolve the situation ). The comment about Ice worm's is meant to be funny . In reality they do exist. dry hummor Jerry

Bruce. Richard has had a stroke in the past he is not 100,percent at this time. He is expected to regain most of his facultie's in time. If you talk to the other brother you will find there is a conflict in all there stories . Although the storie's are somewhat similliar in context. However memories Are not the same. Trust me. Jerry

Geoger. I did not mean any thing I said as derogatory toward's you. I apoligize if you took it that way. You are with out a doubt one of the most knowledgeable men I have ever had the opurtunity to Know. Yes ur conversation's have and will alway's be kept private. Public knowledge however that you and I can Identify is different. If It apear's I may cross the line I will call you prior. If you think that I may have crossed this line I expect you to call me . Friendship is priceless .Respect is only earned. You have my respect. If you think I come close to violating that . Please let me know . That is one area I do not wish to Breach. Jerry

Geoger Cool Maybe he got a piggy back ride from you. and then walked to I.5 and barfed because he thought he had sea sickness.Jerry

Orange 1 Alot of comment's made on this forum can be Identified as Different to say the least. The bottom line is that what I post is fact not fiction . I welcome anyone to challendge this comment. Fact remain's That my post is backed up by year's of rsearch and many year's of study. My experience is beyound reproach. Fact not fiction is what I deal with Day, to,Day . This post was prompted by a response. Made by someone that said I was like Jo. I made you a promise I would not respond to Jo. This I will keep. I recieve E mail's from those that tell lie's and can not be trusted from this forum. Enough Said Jerry

Snowmman .I posted the reason for flight' plans while you were dormant .Please go back and review all my post. Then you will not be confused . Geoger will also tell you this. A lot happened while you were dormant. Orange 1 verification can be realized by fact's .You for one know' this . Thank you for your realization of facts. New guy on this forum .Please read all past post before you make judgement. Realize that there is a lot of bad feelings. with some on this site. When it come's to fact and not fiction . We all will give you the truth. Now Snowmman . When it come's to the flight path. Why would you post such a derogatory coment That you have not heard of the original flight path. Read the past Post . Georger I can not understand why you even acknowledged the fact that the flight path was idden. You and I talked. You of all people Know the truth and the fact's on this .You .No the flight path that was published was false and why. The true flight path was accross troutdale. And you know why. Now Snowmman All you have to do is check this out. Ther is one more thing I have never said there was not a drift Factor I have alway's said there was one . I have never said there was a 20 mile difference . What i have said is there was a posibility of that much .What I HAVE SAID IS THAT THERE WAS A drift difference of 12 mile's. Check before Quating. Jerry

The Seahawk's tommorrow will Show a big surprise. Yes I did tell you about the info and you were given the info and how to verify it . Maybe you forgot. Jerry

Geoger. True. Jerry

Snowmman . Do as you please you will continually be wrong . Yes you have more post than any one else. Still all you have supplied is question's that has easily been answered or proven wrong and that is all you will be able to continue to do. Now It is up to you to prove any theory that you can come up with. That cooper did survive that Jump . Guess What you can't. Better people have tryed . I have tried. Go figuire And Last But not least Prove me wrong. But do it in person On location And with knowlwdge of the inviroment and condition's of this area and time frame of the year weather condition's And experience of jumping in the same condition's at the same time of year from the same altitude with the same clothing . Or just try it yourself. Let me and other's observe. I will be glad to pick up the remain's. If you Have the gut's. Never the less on the lighter side please just join me on one of my searche's . At least this way I know you will still be a alive. Jerry

Snowmman. Miss print or mistake on that post I meant Never be posted. I realy think you new that. All conversation's or email's will be kept private. Nothing discussed between anyone and my self will be made public unless released by the other party first and I have been given permission to do so prior. Jerry

Geoger My claim's have alway's been backed up with other area's of research that you or any one else could find the info That I had found in the past. For instance Noaah Goast guard The new's channels out of portland The army corp's of engineer's National weather service Map's from all to dertimine patern's and draft's. Pluss. Better Yet Geoger has all this info. I gave it to him a while back. Geoger will back me up on all this . Thank's Geoger for reminding me . Jerry

Snowmman: This is a excelent question. However has a very simple answer. The money stayed within the bag for a long period of time. The money was seperated from the body after impact . When impact is made thing's seperate and bounce apart. Now the bag being seperated would have rolled in the direction of down hill gravity. Over time with Rain and dry spell's Thing's dry and compact . Time passes then more storm's heaveir rain then dry spell's more compact . Then snow flood's rain movement toward's stream's or river Natural wrought . Then over time result's of natural occurance's take place. I believe the best way to explain this is. Adulancence to adult hood. Jerry

If anyone wishe's to Email me personally or request my home phone number or cell number. Feel free to do so . My E Mail address is ( jwt1969combetvets@yahoo.com). Nothing that is emailed to me or question's asked will ever be posted or discussed with anyone or disclosed for any reason. Jerry

Orange 1, snowmman. Geoger and other's I have read all your post's. I have given all of you plenty of time to review and comsider my last post and prove me wrong. Orange 1 was the first to agree, She is very experienced in her field . Geoger is also very Knowledgeable ,and also agree's with some reservation's! Snowmman has alway's callenged every thing. Maybe he just like's to be different . Or in this case be proven wrong with out a shadow of a doubt. At any rate you all were afected by my last post. The truth is I realy believe, I'm right and have proven it to my self and other's with out a shadow of a doubt. I also was instumental in proving the most excepted theory that the money came down the washougal tributarries. The army corp's of engineer's was the first to submit this theory, all I did was confirm it. I have allso searched and studied every theory possible. and in my opinion proven that the Idea that any one could have survived this jump was impossible. There have been many claim's By other's that they new who Cooper was. No one has recieved any more Phone call's ,maill . of people claiming they new who Cooper was than I have. Some were very promissing. But all turned out to be fraudelent . I can count at least ten more promising than the one from The most popular or dramatized on this site. Still none have had the most gramatical change with fictional gain as one. Still I stick to my thought's and theories to include the result's of my research. and ground pounding on site searches. As the reason for my Finding's and conclusion's in this case. I will continue to search any Ideas or option's in this case untill it is solved.My wife is very suportive as is my son. They have also helped and have promissed to continue to do so. A close friend by the name of Brian Allen that also has assisted me on my searche's will also continue this search. Jerry

Geoger I know that you disagree. you have mentioned this before. This is normal for most . I'm sure that some day you will agree all it will take is a trip out here a walk in the wood's ,For a couple of week's .And finally but not least a jump out of a airliner with shoe's on in November. High wind's Stormy condition's. And no survival gear. Landing in a un familiar area With a 99 percent chance of a fir tree inima.Now you have to walk out of the wood's with no shoe's on soak and wet carrying a fir tree behind you. Hyperthermia has set in and maybe a broken leg or two if the parachute opened . Providing you had the chute on corectly and didn't try to deploy the chute with a X on it. And the rope you had tied around you did not cut you almost in half. . Not much chance of survival for any one. This is just a very small part of what any one would have to deal with. There is plenty more this man would have had to overcome. with in the first few minute's.Now think about what it would have taken for a person to have survived just hour's. It has been mentioned that we do not Know what he had in hidden on his person. or in a bag. or under his clothe's. I don't think it was much. No boot's or extreem survival gear. No floation device's. Yes he did smoke ,Chance's are he had a lighter. What good is that going to do you . remember People are searching for you are you going to start a fire. Only to take a chance of being spotted. However you would start a fire to survive . You decide. The only chance Cooper would have had to survive is to start a fire . This would have been spotted. To many people were involved in this search to Include private air craft and all those on the ground. Jerry Ps . I forgot to mention That if you had gone through all this you would still have the money with you. If you buried it how would bit's and pieces end up on Tina's Bar . In fragement's and only a couple of bundle's. No one would bury money close enough to a shore line knowing that the high water level would wash it out . Now remember the water level's at the time of his jump was not at flood level's.Still there is obvious indictcation's of high water level's at flood stage on all stream's in this area. Chance's are 99.9 percent chance is the money was never buried and Cooper parished on Impact.

Orange 1 I forgot to mention that Jo will come up with made up storie's to get me to respond . Beware they will be very provocative. This is normal for those that try to make believer's out of people while trying to claim that they are right through fictional storie's . Believe me when I say that Jo's stories and claim's will become rampent. Jerry

Georger , I do understand. Jerry

Orange 1 I just read this post. Yes I'll be glad to honor this request . Do you think we can make it 2 month's This I will honor. Jerry. Ps I made a post before I read your's Orange1. As of this post your request is honored. Georger I hope not to many people are offended by my statement of who Cooper was .One more thing I did start my investigation on this case In 1975 while I was on leave. It was the summer. Of that year I did not get realy involved in the case untill 1989. After I retired . Jerry.