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Or should it negate all responsibility and just concentrate on making decisions based purely on how it affects the bottom line? Perhaps you feel by generating economic wealth for itself, that this is in fact the best way to help society - as wealth generating is good for everyone, including the community in which the business operates. Maybe you think there should be a balance? Perhaps you believe in the new class of business being toted around, the "social entrepeneur" - someone who deems success in business to be about how far they manage to right a particular social issue, placing that above and beyond how much profit they can make (although obviously, the business has to be run so it does not make a loss). Do you think corporate responsibility is something being driven to assure shareholders that stakeholder relations - and ultimately share price - are sound, and therefore nothing more than window dressing? Let me know, i'd like to know what you think and why

Thanks for the good explanation and advice. I have found since i've been learning HD that my suit - either through the extra drag - or myself (through being lazy) has more or less being flying with my lower leg in the burble of my knee. It is something i have been trying to address through. I'm not sure how much the suit is contributing, but i think i just need to push my lower leg out further. I am still a novice, so what do you think - keep the suit baggy for another season or so, then ask flitesuit to perhaps take it in a little for me? PS when you say point your toes to your head, do you mean sort of like what this guy is doing (sorry for the small pic) http://www.danwayland.com/jasonhdt.jpg "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

What are these things? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

God i hate gym's, so damn boring. It's too cold to hit the bball court so i'm trying to get innovative and fun winter workout routines down while i wait for it warm up a bit. At the moment i'm just using free weights and skipping inside (without rope). What else doyou guys do (indoors or out i guess) to keep trim without going to the gym? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

I would decriminalize all "victimless" crimes, so yes. I believe that an individual has the unlimited right to control his own body. If you want to kill yourself, go for it. What I would punish is crime against others. Relentlessly. rl Crack and smack (heroin) heads it has been proven, leads to massive increases in street crime (mugging) and burglary in the associated areas because of the need for people to get a "hit". What happens when you can't get an ambulance because some smack head has OD'ed? That sort of Class A drug use has many victims associated to it than the 18 year old skater smoking a bowl and playing video games at his friends house. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

How do they know you're not going to do it on their time? And I'll tell you something, depending on the drug, someone coming down may be less competent than someone who is high. This is a very thorny issue. Given the choice, I would decriminalize all drug use, but I would also impose much stricter penalties on those who do inappropriate things under the influence, e.g., driving, performing tasks for an employer. I don't really care what you did last night, but if you get high on the way to work, you should lose your license and your job. rl Yeah that;s true, i guess a test doesn't reveal WHEN you took it - only that it's in your system. Would you really decriminalise crack? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Yeah it's also good for allowing my ever expanding waist line to breath

Just curious. Also, what's the point, unless your neighbours (if the house is touched on one or both sides) decide they will also retrofit? If there is an earthquake, surely their houses could possibly just slide into yours? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

If anyone, regardless of the kind of job they hold, performs their job inline with performance targets, what's the big deal? There's an erroneous assumption in what you wrote. If we think that drugs do not affect performance, then they affect no one's performance. It doesn't matter if you're a nurse or a stockbroker, a pilot or a fishmonger. But if they do affect performance, then I don't want you sticking a needle in me, and I don't want you deciding how my money is to be invested. I don't want you flying the airplane I'm on, and I don't want you fileting the flounder I'm going to eat. I know two different people who do weird things to food when they're drunk/high. They both leave stuff like spaghetti sauce out overnight and then use it the next day. I don't eat food prepared by either one, because I'm afraid that their food preparation practices while fucked up will make me sick. That's just an example. Even people in non-dangerous, non-manual jobs can do a lot of damage to others. Drug tests are an invasion of one's privacy, it's true. And on that ground, I object to them. But the prospective victims of the "stoned at work" have rights too, and I think my right to be safe from fucked up people trumps their right to privacy about just how fucked up they are. rl The difference is, you are talking about being under the influence at work. I'm talking about being under the influence off work, and then not on a high/low/drunk when you go back to work. I think there is a difference, and, i also think tests should be stringent for those jobs where people have a designated clear cut amount of authority, and where peoples lives are at stake - medical care, public transportation workers etc. Even if we are talking about people who are under the influence while on the job, someone who is high serving you a piece of salmon in the supermarket is not in a position to kill you like how a stoned/drunk airline pilot is. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Anyone comfirmed as going to this yet? I know that Bedford still don't have it definitively booked in. A mate and I were thinking we would maybe like to do an hour each (if that's possible) as 2 hours is unaffordable right now. Anyone been on the previous camp that can comment on how they went? Cheers. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

"Because if you're not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind." People have lost their grip on the notion that we should not have to live our lives suspected all the time -- by our government, by our employers -- and because SOME people don't care about the right to be left alone and treated as innocent, ALL of us end up subject to the things they don't object to. -Jeffrey What's wrong with me smoking weed in the privacy of my own home if it doesn't affect my ability to do my job successfully? Read what I wrote, again. I was not siding with those who would put such restrictions on you. - Oops! Apologies for the misunderstanding! "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

I thought as much, having read through some of the other posts that are mentioning this. I guess this is why we see it much more in the US where is seems everyone is tested, compared to Europe, where we see much less in the way of liability cases and that sort of thing. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Not really because i don't do drugs. If i did though, and i worked as a stockbroker and liked to smoke a joint at night, i would see them testing me as an infringement on my personal liberty. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

"Because if you're not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind." People have lost their grip on the notion that we should not have to live our lives suspected all the time -- by our government, by our employers -- and because SOME people don't care about the right to be left alone and treated as innocent, ALL of us end up subject to the things they don't object to. -Jeffrey What's wrong with me smoking weed in the privacy of my own home if it doesn't affect my ability to do my job successfully? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Reliability? Moral Character? Liability spawned from drug-fueled incompetence? From the research i have done, many computer programmers have managed to do the work they have and met their deadlines due to chemical enhancement, speed, coke or whatever - to allow them to work hour after hour to get projects delivered in very short timescales. Who is an employer to set standards for how i should live my life, morally or otherwise, when i'm not on the clock? Liabailty? Well the more i read, the more this whole thing seems to be aimed at an ability to not be liable to massive payouts to some client/customer/employee filing a case against the employer as a result of some drug related negligence issue. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Thanks for the story. I agree, when someone is in a position of authority for the care and well being of people, test them. Nurses, doctors, pilots, subway and bus drivers, school teachers etc. However, why would someone care whether a computer programmer or stockbroker or fishmonger is high? If that person performs their job inline with the performance targets they have been set - or exceeds them - whats the big deal? The more i read here, the more i think it's down to insurance and payout related issues. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

what's CTA? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Why not? One aspect of the very definition of being "personally free" is to be able to go sit on a hill and smoke a bong on the weekend i would have thought. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Nope. The employer can put whatever conditions they want on your employment. You don't have to like it, but if you want to work there, they can make you comply. You are free to work elsewhere if you like and they are free not to employ you if they like. I think that's a complete infringement on my rights. Who are they to say what i can and can't do when i'm not on the clock so long as it doesn't affect my performance at work? By your logic, if i worked in a state that prohibited homosexual relations back in the day, i could be forbidden from applying somewhere because of what i wanted to do in the privacy of my own home. Even the army allows gay people now, something that even 10 years ago was abhored. Whatever happened to power to the people? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Beside it being a rhetorical question, with my provided answer in the form of a police report by a police officer who has had to go through that, and the subsequent after effect being a little more than just feeling recoil, i didn't think John was either police or military (correct me if i'm wrong). "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Why would some desk jockey need a drug test? Why on earth would what i do in my own personal time and space stop me getting a job i am more than capable of achieving brilliantly at? I have never been drug tested and can understand SOME places wanting to test me (where i'm in charge of peoples lives, using heavy machinery, am armed, need to drive something, in charge of children etc) but why do some many companies do this? Is in not an infringement on personal freedoms? I don't take illegal drugs any more but i would consider this highly invasive of my personal freedoms if i couldn't get a job as an accountant at some firm because i liked to smoke a bong at night. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Do you know if i send my Bomber back to Flitesuit, if they would "taper" it in for me if i wanted? Would that cost much do you think? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Fictional news interview: Reporter: "Officer, what did you feel when you pulled the trigger on that kidnapper?" Officer: "Recoil." Have ytou ever shot and killed anyone? Post Traumatic Stress Disorder : A Police Officers Report "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

Yeah, here is a pretty unclear pic but you get the impression. Look at all that bulk flapping around me legs n arms! "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts

How can lower profile dual/triple layers get the same amount of drag as higher profile thiner material that is catching more air, so to speak? Just curious, i'm not too up on my physics here. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts