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Irony score: incalculable. And yet, you have nothing to offer except castigating judgment. So it goes. I don't agree with BHO on anything. I don't like the man. I believe he is deceitful and has a goal in mind for this country that we're not going to like when he finishes his term. I don't believe that is any reason to leave this country. This country has stood the test of time and we'll get through it. There might be a little hard work involved from us but I'm sure we're all up to it. Chuck

It seems to me that this is an international incident and if 'it's about the children', I would think, the UN would get involved. We could use National Guard troops to seal off our border. I'm not saying they should handle it all. We handle things on our end they take care of Central America. Those Central American countries aren't doing anything about it. Chuck

The problem is, we have a gutless, spineless government who's politicians only want votes. Chuck

Absolutely! They've tried everything else... why not use their kids. One kid was recently found dead on the Mexican side of the Rio Grande across from South Texas. They use their kids for their 'Free pass) into the U.S. Drug runner use them to smuggle dope into this country. Besides tuberculosis, polio is another problem. It is also on the rise here in the U.S. and we 9supposedly0 had it wiped-out. Not just the kids carry these diseases but adults. Yeah... let 'em all in. Chuck

Oh, well that's a simple solution, I wonder why no-one thought of it before? Let's just send the UN to fix central america. It's so easy I'm sure they'll all have first world economies with 2% unemployment in 6 months tops! Seriously, dude, what do you think the UN is? What do you think they do? Well dude, from my vantage point... nothing!! Chuck

I see what you're saying. I am just very much against the idea of 'let 'em all in'! If people want to come here legally, great. We let every illegal who wants to come here in, we're going to look just like the countries they are running from. Our sovereignty as a nation will go right down the toilet. I don't care what all the bleedin' hearts say. As far as I'm concerned, supporters of illegals, supports breaking our Immigration and Nationality laws. Chuck

I'm not saying the UN needs to come here. I'm saying they need to go to the Central American countries and clean-up the mess down there. That's where the problem is. I don't know how you came to what you did in your response. Chuck

What I'm wondering is... where is the U.N. in this mess? This seems like something more up their alley. Instead, they find some way to avoid situations. I thought it was all about the children? We as a nation should not have to deal with this on our own. All those kids get into this country and right behind them will be the rest of their families. We need to process them and scoot their little fannies back to their home. I agree with the idea that all the bleedin' hearts in this country should take them in but does anyone believe they would? It's all good as long as it's not in their back yard. Just like with the greenies... they want wind and solar energy but put all that stuff up somewhere else. What a bunch of counterfeits! Chuck Chuck

You bet! Chuck

I sure learn a lot here in Speaker's Corner. Why if it wasn't for this site I would have no idea that: 1. We are at war with Mexico 2. We have Marines fighting in combat zones in Mexico When did this happen? Why hasn't this been reported in the MSM? Is the media covering for Obama again, hoping that we wouldn't find out that we've invaded Mexico? Why did we invade? What's the objective? What's the exit strategy? So many questions, so few answers. Don You sure stretched that a good ways! Try googling 'U.S. Marine held in Mexican jail'. That should answer your questions. Chuck

AH - but her vote to switch to the left - although not surprising to us here, adds up when you are falsely stating your GOP loyalty. LOL It sits kinda like a Red Herring. MAD got it right... http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/06/03/barack-obamas-unfortunate-new-movie Chuck Yes, Yes they did! I realize, the U.S. Marine being held in a Mexican jail hasn't been there long enough, according to some people's standards but I haven't heard or read where any moves are being made to get him back. This country hasn't even offered so much as one drug lord for him. If, the thinking is supposed to be that of not leaving a member of our military behind, why isn't someone doing something to get that Marine back? Or is Obama being selective or is it that we don't have any Mexican terrorists at Guantanamo? I wonder if Obama just wasn't looking for a way to help terrorists? Hmmmmmmmmmm... Chuck

AH - but her vote to switch to the left - although not surprising to us here, adds up when you are falsely stating your GOP loyalty. LOL It sits kinda like a Red Herring. MAD got it right... http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2014/06/03/barack-obamas-unfortunate-new-movie Chuck

Maybe he really can make this shit up! To me, from what I've seen on the news and read about that part of the world, those people have been going at it for centuries. I think, they are just looking for all the money the USA will pour into those countries to get them to stop. We were already there for what, 10 yrs.? We no more than pulled out and they started right up again. I think, we should just stay the hell away. They don't want our 'democracy' because it disagrees with their thinking. Same with Afghanistan. Who made us the 'world police', anyhow? Why do we keep going where we aren't wanted? Doesn't make sense and just a waste of money we don't have. Chuck But when you ar Barack Obama, you can do whatever you want... http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/read/article/the_associated_press-obama_275_us_forces_deploying_to_iraq-ap Chuck

Maybe he really can make this shit up! To me, from what I've seen on the news and read about that part of the world, those people have been going at it for centuries. I think, they are just looking for all the money the USA will pour into those countries to get them to stop. We were already there for what, 10 yrs.? We no more than pulled out and they started right up again. I think, we should just stay the hell away. They don't want our 'democracy' because it disagrees with their thinking. Same with Afghanistan. Who made us the 'world police', anyhow? Why do we keep going where we aren't wanted? Doesn't make sense and just a waste of money we don't have. Chuck

Yeah, Buddy!! Chuck

Where did you get that? I've never heard of "legal gun owners 'allowing' their guns to fall into the hands of criminals each year." You make it sound like we just leave our guns 'out there' free for the taking. I have never known of this. I do know, I keep all of my guns out of the reach of children even though there are no kids here or even as visitors. I don't know how to really prevent my house from being broken into or my pick-up for that matter. If, a crook wants to get into my house or pick-up, they're going to get into it. I refuse to live in a cage just to keep bad guys out. Chuck I would think keeping the weapons in a properly secured safe tends to dissuade some scum that may try to burgle your place... rather than just stuffing them under the bed in a gun condom... or standing them there in a closet in the bedroom with the bifold doors... like several of my "responsible gun owning" friends who I shoot with at the range do. I have a former boss from the military who felt living in the country was safe, 80 miles from the city and 10 miles outside a very small town.. a friend of a friend of his who had been separated decided he wanted those weapons to pay for his further drug use. He cleaned out a whole lot of weapons while the family was gone for a hunt in another part of the state. Lesson learned. I was fortunate enough to have had a father who taught me right about guns. To me, the proper 'care and feeding' of guns takes good ol' common sense. A gun owner can get a good gun safe at a fair price. Those folks who leave their guns hanging in their Easy Rider rifle rack are asking for their guns to be stolen. Chuck Amen bro... I had a grandfather who taught all of us the proper handling, cleaning and care of weapons long before he taught us to shoot. That was part of the program which included learning to reload if we wanted to shoot. After shooting a good proper cleaning and then storage in the safe was mandatory before that day came to a close. When we went hunting we did not have a safe with us but we also did not allow for them to just be set in the "easy rider rifle rack" in plain view, we had a cable and lock to secure then in the vehicle. That was how the end of the day went, before the big people broke out the adult beverages in camp. Outstanding! As it should be. Chuck

A-men!! Chuck

Where did you get that? I've never heard of "legal gun owners 'allowing' their guns to fall into the hands of criminals each year." You make it sound like we just leave our guns 'out there' free for the taking. I have never known of this. I do know, I keep all of my guns out of the reach of children even though there are no kids here or even as visitors. I don't know how to really prevent my house from being broken into or my pick-up for that matter. If, a crook wants to get into my house or pick-up, they're going to get into it. I refuse to live in a cage just to keep bad guys out. Chuck I would think keeping the weapons in a properly secured safe tends to dissuade some scum that may try to burgle your place... rather than just stuffing them under the bed in a gun condom... or standing them there in a closet in the bedroom with the bifold doors... like several of my "responsible gun owning" friends who I shoot with at the range do. I have a former boss from the military who felt living in the country was safe, 80 miles from the city and 10 miles outside a very small town.. a friend of a friend of his who had been separated decided he wanted those weapons to pay for his further drug use. He cleaned out a whole lot of weapons while the family was gone for a hunt in another part of the state. Lesson learned. I was fortunate enough to have had a father who taught me right about guns. To me, the proper 'care and feeding' of guns takes good ol' common sense. A gun owner can get a good gun safe at a fair price. Those folks who leave their guns hanging in their Easy Rider rifle rack are asking for their guns to be stolen. Chuck

Yes to pretty much all of the above. Most if not all guns start as legally purchased guns, which then through a multitude of ways end up as "illegal". That us unless you are willing to entertain the idea that gun manufacturers are selling guns knowing they will end up on the illegal market. There is precedent for this with the tobacco manufacturers. Something I've found interesting is, gang members joining our armed forces, stealing weapons and getting them shipped to their respective gangs. I don't know anything about the tobacco industry but I do feel quite certain, reputable gun manufacturers would be risking everything if they were caught selling to bad guys. I don't believe they'd be stupid enough to do that. Also, gun manufacturers are 'monitored'. Chuck

Just the facts. Smith & Wesson and Glock, etc., don't make illegal guns. The guns get to criminals after passing through the hands of legal gun owners. O.K., you divulged your source but what I'd like to know is... how does it happen that 'legal' guns get from 'legal gun owners' into the hands of bad guys? Is it through sales, house burglaries, vehicle burglaries, they are left lying around in their yards or on sidewalks or left on the counters at Starbucks while making a purchase? How? Chuck

Where did you get that? I've never heard of "legal gun owners 'allowing' their guns to fall into the hands of criminals each year." You make it sound like we just leave our guns 'out there' free for the taking. I have never known of this. I do know, I keep all of my guns out of the reach of children even though there are no kids here or even as visitors. I don't know how to really prevent my house from being broken into or my pick-up for that matter. If, a crook wants to get into my house or pick-up, they're going to get into it. I refuse to live in a cage just to keep bad guys out. Chuck

Hookd on fonicks werkd for me!

By what measure are you looking for equality? Certainly not length of stay. Did we try very hard for the first 2 months or a year to negotiate? And again, is there an actual negotiation to be had before his trial? As I understand it, with Mexican jails the negotiations are all about $$$. Now, what price tag do you want to put on a human life? Chuck

It's interesting that you presume guilt for the first guy, and innocence for the second one. The second one is being given the (shitty) due process of the nation in which he alledgedly committed the crimes. The first one waited 5 years before his release was negotiated. The second one has been there for a couple months? We were at war with the captors for the first. We have very broad trade relations and respect (mostly) the sovereignty of the second's. It's a bit difficult for us to lecture Mexico about having to deal with their drug lords in a non corrupt justice system, but then insist that they leave this guy alone. I'm just having a hard time digesting the lack of equality in the way the government goes about getting back our citizens. Time in imprisonment should have no bearing. As in what has been said earlier in this thread, get them back home, then, deal with them. Chuck

Why the marine in the mexican jail? So, free pass for every first time offender in the US justice system then? How? I doubt the Mexicans would be interested in swapping him for a bunch of incarcerated drug dealers. Do you feel the same way about you own countrymen? Chuck