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Thanks! Mark I was wondering if that might be taken the wrong way. No I did not guide them to those hazards. Sometimes they would get confused on how the system worked and would turn the wrong way. So if they ever saw the paddles get turned over then they knew they were on their own. I was pretty good at bringing them home, if they followed directions. Other times it was just people screwing up on their own, students and experienced..

Im not sure if i can explain it here but Ill give it a shot. The distance for the main cover tuck is a certain amount to the tucking point. If you create more bulk in the tray then the distance is now increased due to the bulge. The main flap now has to go up and over the buldge then back down. Now the flap is too short to tuck all the way under the "tucking" point.... Thus it doesnt saty. This can also affect the riser covers. They did have design problems in the early 90's and early 2000's with the odyssey. The wrong reserve or impropery packed reserve can do the same to the reserve flap as well. Does that make sense??? Not sure if I explained it right...

Does anyone else see a problem with the math here? its six yo math k? Ok reword. By the time I was 6 I was doing all of that. I left the dz at 16 years old ..there better?? Is that all you found, as bad as my typing and grammar are??? is ahh i give up LOL Ok Ill go fix it....

Thank you, me too, although sometimes when it locks up or hurts like hell, I think of what if (about ignoring the radio)? But, it is what it is, and I still get to jump and of course walk so I am grateful. Hope it wasnt too boring and Im sure there are many typos etc...... Oh and BTW, I was getting paid $.50 a pack job!

I know the real early 90's had some issues not sure if 94 was one, I dont think so. Yes the 210 could have a major role in why. It cant reach far enough to fold properly and stay, due to the extra bulk shortening its reach, so to speak. Ahh the mirage, but have you tried a new Javelin on your shoulders. Hell why do I keep pushing them, I dont work there anymore. LOL Enjoy the mirage and be safe

Please do if it makes you feel better Pssst I travel a LOT.. and have a fairly long list of places I have jumped and a VERY long list of aircraft I have jumped from as well..... All of the ones I posted last at least a week.. or I would have posted more I would come to a boogie in Texas.. if it met the criteria.. had good weather... and was fun.. but Yall want to make all your "boogies" too short.. and in the middle of hot stifling humid summer thunderstorm weather... 100+ temps with 95 percent + humidity just does not hold the same attraction to me asw when I started jumping in FL in the early 70's. And no I shall not, didnt want to in the first place, I hate typing!!LOL Yeah I know you travel a lot as well, I think we have been to at least two places at the same time, just cant remember the second one. Also I completely understand about the TX heat, oddly enough it never reached over 90 during the 07 event, of course the humidity did. UGGHH. I might have a surprise for you in regards to the location of the next SF, you are upper north east, is that right? If so you may not have an excuse this time, well except it will still only be 5 days. Be well

Ok there ya go! It is a long one...sorry. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=270299;page=35;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; so what happened to the copy link button under our avatars??? So you have to scroll down to the bottom. Oh and maybe you can talk me into telling the one where I was wrapped up in lines with another jumpers bag out at 9K. He and I looked like mummy's in that crap...I thought he was dead once I got out.

Ok here is one of them: You can blame Jewels for this. Sorry it is a long one, hope you like. Let me put a small history on this first. Was practically born at the Dallas Parachute Association in 1967, spent 16 years there packing for first jump students or experienced , teaching the PLF portion of the first jump course,using the orange paddles (no radios yet) to guide students back to the peas and sold landing photos with my Handle Instamatic camera. I started doing this all by the time I was six years old. So I cant tell you how many times I have seen folks land on a building, trees, ponds whatever. So I should know to cut away in most circumstances (buildings that is). Aslo be aware that I grew up around broken bones especially legs and arms with my parents and the round canopies. I solo'd a glider at 14 and our 172 at 16. So I was pretty good at making it back to the DZ or airport. Made my first jump in 1984 on static line under a square, one foot stand up in the peas. Knocked out about 12 jumps in a couple of weekends, but then only made about 40 jumps till 1993. So I was living in KC MO and had gotten back into the sport, my family came to MO. on 6-19-93 (fathers day) and we flew around to a few DZ'z visiting. My mother was president of USPA at the time so all the DZ's thought it was cool to meet the president. AFF was not an easy rating to get at the time, but my father and brother had theirs, the DZ I had made the recent 4 jumps at didnt have any so we had a "modified" program, I think it was called ASL-accelerated static line. shhhh lets not talk about that one. After my father asked where I wanted to jump I said lets go back to where I had made my 4 in the last few weeks, wide open DZ plenty of outs good DZ.So I was ready to make my level 5, it had been raining all day and the winds were around 21-24, (maybe mistake No1, I do believe I could have handled it, but we will never know) yes a bit high but I was ok with it. I had a radio but I was rarely ever given any instructions due to my experience, so I told my instructor at the time (who was also the DZO) dont talk to me unless I get downwind. So we hire Jaime Paul for video and my dad and brother take me up, dad was just lurking and brother was the only instructor. We left the Twin Bo, I flipped us, got stable, arched so hard my brother had a hard time staying with me, but it was a good dive and I completed all my tasks. Deployed on time (but not without the springloaded PC hitting me in the back of the head like it always did first) and started to do my thing. Immediately the DZO started to talk to me, I thought to myself uh oooh I must be screwing up... Didnt know how or why but I decided to listen and let him have COMPLETE CONTROL (mistake No2.) My mother is at the peas doing ground video, Jaime and the others have landed and now there are two ground videos. Im following radio to a T.... He takes me barely down wind of the AC hangar and has me do a small S turn (mistake no 3). I am to fly over the building to the peas. So here is what my final looks like. Rectangular asphalt (newly laid I might add) I am directly over the middle of it. The hangar is in front with a small packing shed to each side, on the left side is the parking lot filled with cars. Behind me is the manifest building, to my right is a tandem on final, and the Twin Bo is coming in under me to park.. This is a DZ on a large piece of land with very few buildings and they were all bunched together as i described so its really a nice layout. I come out of the S turn and stop! No where nada, zilch, just straight down, guessing at 100'. Now I know I have a problem, so hell I figure front risers, I think it was a 220 manta, so I pull on them for a bit (no i was not taught this I just knew about it), but then as i watched the nose I thought: man I wonder If i can flip it under and collapse this damn thing? So I let them go. I started to get a bit of drive but not much, then I hear over the radio, are you going to make it? Im like WTF??? I cant answer you its a one way radio? And NO Im not. The hangar: its a slanted open front pull in hangar, no doors. So the front is 24' tall and the back(pea side) is 7' tall. As i start to get more drive I am over it doing now what would be a perfect swoop only 1.5 feet over it, and my decent rate is equal to the roof, I was going to make it, barely, yes it was scary but it was perfectly doable. As i get to the middle of it I hear FLARE FLARE FLARE......So what did I do as a student that gave up complete control at 4K earlier?? I freakn flared!! Mistake No 4 With the winds and the canopy it set me down gently on the roof as i was falling on my back, while pulling me UP the hangar. I was on the hangar for 1.2 sec (based on the two videos) but it was a lifetime of thoughts and reactions. I still remember every detail and here they are: As I was sliding up I thought, ok cutaway, no you have an RSL and its 24mph winds it will inflate mistake No 5} So I pulled the left toggle as fast as i could, had the tail at the grommet, the canopy quickly turned over, my thoughts were to have it hit the other side of the hangar nose first so it would collapse (not sure if that was a mistake or not and will never really know, my guess it it was not). But here was mistake No 6, there was no "other side " it was not an A frame roof, some how I had forgotten that after i flew over it. As I watched the canopy fly over the side and accelerate I realized I'm in real trouble, no worries, as i get to the peak of the roof I will grab onto something and save myself. Mistake No 7, there was nothing there was no more roof! I realized this as I saw the asphalt in the corner of my left eye 24' below. I am now coming off the building with an inflated canopy flying down, Im like a rock at the end of a string as you swing it around. Im leaving the roof on my back, head first with a large packed reserve on my back and neck. I thought I cant land like this it will kill me or paralyze me so I flipped over and now I am belly to earth (correct move NO 1). Im in freefall thinking f&%^& I cant land like this either, so I kick as hard as i could to get my feet beneath me, while also bringing them and my arms together for a PLF. Correct move NO 2. I am falling at least at 20+ mph and I thought there is no way you can PLF but I dont want my knees hitting my face. So I left my feet and knees together and shifted my upper body to the left, getting my legs off to my right and no longer below me. Correct move No3. Next thing I know I am on the ground on my left side and not able to breathe and have something funny in my vision. I lay the for a second and think breathe, breathe, breathe, and I got my air back, then I realized my protek had shifted on my head and was blocking my vision, ok no problem. Now how screwed up am I, body check. So I start at my head, ok check, it feels good, (not moving just flexing and trying to be aware of inuries) neck, ok, chest...etc I get to my knees and determine they were good. Then I thought ok Im done checking cause I know I have problems below the knees but I really dont care at this time cause those are repairable. (turned out that they couldn't repair the ankle and still cant but hey Im walking) The were two EMT jumpers (one died later thats season in a 206 crash when he switched DZ's) who start to work me. Im on my back and I see my dad walk up with a camcorder and say, "might as well get video Im sure he'll want it". I gave him a thumbs up. I remember them asking me what day it was? I hesitated, cause I really didnt know, but I didnt want to say that so I said not a F$&%&%&g good one. The ambulance arrived and it took three tries to get me in it as they almost dropped me each time. Backboard, neck brace and strapped in, that could have hurt. I remember looking down and seeing my foot facing the wrong way with what looked like two knuckles sticking out, no blood, that was the last time I looked. The local hospital looked and laughed and said you got to be kidding me, we cant do anything thing with that send him to KC an hour away. They took the card board off and used an air bag for support. They wanted to cut my borrowed jumpsuit (worth about $10) off and I said no, undress me i said, they did and I regretted it. Next time give me the morphine first I mumbled. It took three days to convince the Dr to xray my wrist, he didnt believe I broke it. When he did he came back and said it was broke in two places, I said "I know". For three days I could not figure out how I broke my wrist, I didnt reach out when I fell, so how did it happen? It was my 4th day in the hospital and I had been also trying to figure out why I had a tear drop shaped black bruise running the length between my wrist and elbows on both arms. Well I rolled over to my left side to go to sleep and laid my right arm on top of my left to lay my head on my hands. Well thts when I did i realized that they matched! I figure I had pulled my arms apart about 4" just before I hit on my side. In doing so this allowed my right arm to slam down on my left thus flopping my hand down and back up so fast and hard that it snapped my wrist on both sides. I was really excited in solving that mystery. LOL I do believe this would have killed me if i hadnt done what I did after leaving the hangar. My ankle is fusing itself, I limp a while each day, replacements are still too far behind in technology so Im in pain every day. But I have made over 1400 jumps since and I can walk. So I have great video from Airplane to Ambulance!! Oh and BTW once I regained my canopy confidence back (which did take a long time) I went 642 jumps with out falling down. Sometime I will share the premature deployment on a four way meat missle with harness grips. His bag hit him in the face just as we left and he and I were wrapped up in his lines at 9K with the canopy still in the bag... Oh it took me 7 months to recover, so I waited till fathers day 1994 to go back out and start again. I flew over that hangar and my divit in the asphalt on purpose and stood it up with NO Radio! Scared shitless.

How accurate is it? Have you ever "checked" it? With the last two trips from Tx to the farm i started monitoring it. I ran it down to around 24 miles left, it was constantly changing based on the fuel input. I figured I had a gallon left, sure enough I filled up and based on the size of my tank it was pretty darn accurate. Love my Nissan Murano! Note- do not run out of fuel with a fuel injected system....not good...... Now what I didnt like was on the first trip to the farm my outside temp gauge read 71 in Texas at 1:00pm . I drove all the way thru arriving at 3am their time, damn thing read 26!! All I kept thinking was Im going back to 60 I dont care what state that is!

Well, ya sure did kill this one. You win. See told ya! Whats next? And Tanya, I dont know, Im really good at it...

Ok I will post it in another thread, guess it might have some educational value as well....It is a long one so be ready.. LOL

I told them I fell off a roof. Broken wrist in two places, double compound to the tib, fib out the bottom and side of my foot. What I didnt tell them was I fell off the roof after landing on it. Level 5 on radio, dont ask long story.,....a good one but long... still hurts today 15 years later

DOOH!!! There you go again, LOL

That is so great!! Congrats!!!!

What little you know, I have been to all on your list except Empuria and Richmond Been to Perris, Chicks Rock, Long Island, CPI, Kansas, MRVS, Twin Cities, 7 Hills, AOT, Atlanta, Mullins, The Farm,Lake Wales, New Orleans,Moss Point (where you and I met), Brazil, Mile-Hi, CSC, CrossKeys, Keys, Miami, Chester, ACDZ, MOAB, Dublin, SD La, Skys the Limit, The Ranch, Pepperell, Jumptown, Green County, Sturgis, Dodge County, Deland, Titisville, Chicagoland, Chicago, Kingman, Herlong, Houston, San Marcos, SD Dallas, East TX, Muskogee, Tahlequah, Dallas Parachute Association (in the 60's to the 80's) .............shall I keep going???? My reference to the ones being a part of our history were to ones around 30 years or more, not many can say that. I figured you would have caught that. I was only replying to the way you defined a boogie as more that a week, which only a couple on your list fit your own definition as a boogie??? Just because an event doesnt have massive advertising or is not known where all the "cool" people go (and kill themselves), god forbid, doesnt make it a beer fest..... Would you like me to list all the A/C Ive jumped too? Oh and they were at those non boogie beerfest you speak of, you know like a WWII 1942 T6Trainer, 1953 C195, 1942 Champ, Beaver, C47, you get the point... Still laughing? I think we have made out points here. Boogie on folks, no matter how long the event is, just be safe.

Yup so was your evaluation of what a boogie is. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Just so ya know...that guy staring at you when you look in the mirror doesn't count as being your fan... who cares did you see her avatar??

To me if its a full week long... it qualifies as a Boogie.. anything else is just a party with a little jumping thrown in. I edited this, because I respect your experience, but TO ME that is a statement limited to just the number of days the event is held. Not what the event is.

Fixed it for you You're right... *sigh*... I must be getting old if the first thing I think of to get FREE from a Hot Naked Chick at the DZ is a Pack-job vs. a Blow-job... surely they can do both?/ bet some could do it at the same time oh wait, then it might be a blown pack job...

hope to by the end of the week...I hope people will think it is exciting as i do.

Now that you mention it ... maybe Rick would like a J and Jay sandwich?? Ok, I might still be a bit confused. I'm the original J being that Im older than Jello J, and I have spelled it that way since elementary. Well it was JJ originaly but got tired of the DYN"O"MITE comments at that time. But either way you are on your way to making a PB&J sammich, I am just hoping theY want Jello with that one. Bwaaaaah

Hey at least I replied to you and not the OP's so that deserves some credit..yeah?

no need to understand it, just grin and bear it.. Im sure Bob will take it easy on you..

Where does that put Rick and J??? And I am to assume that is the "other" J to which you are referring.

hmmmm.... anytime skydivers are nekkid dancing and drinking beer, its great entertainment.... I could see you and psycho doing the hula nekkid together... that would so HOT!!!! wonder which one would take the front while in the hoop?