wolfriverjoe

This is all true, but to throw another viewpoint into the mix; If you're an Instructor, have major separation from your student (which seems to be the case in both situtions being discussed in this thread) and both instructor and student are burning through 2500' and the Instructor is still tossing signals. You're not going to catch the student and deploy for them by 2K. Therefore, the best course of action (IMO) is still to turn and burn, look over your shoulder to be sure the student isn't tracking with you, and deploy to notify the student they should be deployed. Absolutely. Which is why the non-AFF-I coach in the OP was wrong, and perigrinerose wasn't. He chased down way too low. She pulled at 3500, to try and signal the student to pull (post 113). The AFF-I on a coach jump has a lot more skills and experience, and far better judgement in these sorts of situations. And is in a much better place to use that judgement to do "non-coach" stuff. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Because although the situations were very similar, the skill level of the instructor was very different. As Perigrinerose (Jen) noted, it can be difficult for an AFF-I to "put away" the AFF-I skills and do "just" a coach jump. Stuff that is appropriate for an instructor to do on an AFF jump isn't so on a coach jump... Until it goes bad. At which point an AFF-I has a much deeper toolbox of skills to use. Which, under the right (or wrong) set of circumstances can mean the difference between a thread here, or one in Incidents. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

That's funny. In places where the cops treat the citizens with respect, the citizens treat the cops with respect. (for the most part anyway) Go figure. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Yeah. That one. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Some people? Absoultely not. Jerry Springer (his guests anyway) and Paris Hilton are the two best examples, but they are only the first two that came to mind. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Well, the governor hasn't signed it yet. Is he expected to do so? Who's left? Is Chicago the lone holdout at this point, nationwide? Now there's a few places which should be upgraded from discretionary concealed carry states into shall-issue states. The personal feelings of individual sheriffs should not be used to deny permits, when people otherwise fully qualify. Governor is expected to sign. There was a push for "Vermont Style" (No permit requred) carry, but the Gov wouldn't sign unless there was a training requirement in the law. Interestingly enough, there isn't any live fire training required in the law, just classroom. The instructors I know are planning on "strongly encouraging" live fire training (and are planning on including it in the course offered, but cannot require it). Illinois is the only state left with no "civilian carry" permit, but there are a few ways around it. Firearms instructor and "special police" are the two I can think of offhand, I don't know the requirements for the first, but the "special police" means having strong political/LE connections. There was a big stink 15 or 20 years ago when it was revealed how many "special police" there were in the Chicago area (lots) and who they were (a lot of "reputed organized crime" figures). Go figure. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

I've never heard it, they always start singing after I've gone to bed. How does it go? Something like THIS. NSFW of course. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Just because you aren't capable of ujnderstanding how order can come from nothing doesn't mean it can't happen. (I don't know how it happens either) We don't know what happened at or before the Big Bang. The facts are unavailable to us, and our understanding of the processes involved isn't sufficient to understand it. So the choices are: "We don't understand right now, but may in the future." Or: "We don't understand, so it must be God's work." It's the same with life forming/DNA forming. Just because we don't understand how it happened doesn't mean that there must be intelligence behind it. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

And just like the "How free is your state" thread, a really interesting debate has been totally sidetracked by the ususal suspects and their Highly Sophisticated Debate Style "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Would you care to share the story? I haven't heard it yet. Not everybody follows the political soap opera closely. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Is there any sort of "Not Transferrable" or "Only Valid For Original Winner" on the certificate? Did anybody ask the manufacturer? Unless there is a restriction or the mfg says "No", then I think JohnRich has it correct. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

See my sigline. (not the one about getting old ) "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

And where were you getting out? 2000 ft? Probably something like 2100'. I saw someone doing a bunch of jumps in one day, cessna took him up, he jumped, landed, ditched the rig, put on another one, repeat. Pretty fast process being the only jumper on the plane, single wide turn to get from takeoff to jump run then turn again and land. Hell, I even packed a few of them.

You know nothing. What you think you know about God is vacuously inadequate. If you had the slightest inkling of how ignorant you have become you would hide you face and nash your teeth. Just another example of how arrogant and spiritually blind we can become. TRULY PATHETIC! ... There are none so blind as those who will not see? So who is "blinder"? The "True Believer" who accepts everything in the Bible as true, acurate historical fact (The holy word of God)? We can argue for ever and ever about which parts are literal "Truth" and which are metaphor, song and poetry. I'm talking about those who believe most of it as true and accurate. Or the athesist who denies the very existence of God? "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Were any other jumpers complaining of hard openings? Either those packed by you or by someone else? Or was it just those two packjobs that opened hard? To be honest. it sounds like a funky coincedence to me, but I've been wrong about that sort of thing before. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

That's my understanding too. Wiki Clicky Anything shorter is "Short-Barrelled" (rifle or shotgun) and requires the BATFE tax stamp under NFA 1934. There's a "Any Other Weapon" exception for shotgun made without shoulder stocks too, but I don't know/understand all the details on it. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

You are correct. He even won an award. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

I never got serious about it, but a local club used to hold practice matches every week. I shot a few of those. It's lots of fun. It shows you where your deficiencies are in ways that slow fire doesn't. Grip, stance or trigger squeeze problems are magnified with the movements made. It also teaches you to (in the words of Wyatt Earp IIRC) to "Take your time in a hurry". It also gives you a chance to hang around with like-minded folk, from all walks of life, doing something enjoyable. Sorta like hanging out at the DZ. You don't need (or really want, even) a full "race gun" to start with. There are different divisions for different types of pistols. I always shot an "Out of the box" stock Colt Officer's 45. More reloads and recoil than some of the other stuff, but that's part of the fun too. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Nice grammar, you godless commie. Ah, you suck. I was looking for the best place to use that response (read the OP if you don't understand that this is A JOKE!!!) "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

That is a loaded question. One could go into detail and explain infallibility, authority, self-authentication, sufficiency, perspicuity, finality, reliability, trustworthiness, internal & external evidences...but simply put, it is the revealed word of God, written by men moved along by the Holy Spirit. That is a loaded assertion. All of which have been dealt with ad-nauseam. You guys really need to do some research and come up with some new material instead of just reading off the top 10 common objections. With the exception of "external evidence" (internal evidence is simply "it's true because it says it is true") those are the "what" you believe. Not the "why". Simply put, you have yet to say why you believe it to be true. Is it what you were taught when young? Have you examined all sides of the issue with an open mind (not the arguments in AiG)? Did God at some point speak directly to you and say "Yes, the Bible is true"? And the assertion of the accuracy (or lack of it) hasn't been dealt with "ad nauseam". You have only answered it with links to a very biased website. One which stated (the first line on the page about the speed of light not being constant) that : "In virtually all areas of science, we find evidence that strongly confirms the Genesis account of creation." Really? Which areas are those? Biology? Botany? Geology? Paleontology? Physics? Chemistry? "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

He didn't last this long by trusing just any monkey to pack for him. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

I can't speak for the accuracy or inaccuracy of every theologian but the Bible can be trusted....literally. Why? Why is it that you believe the Bible to be literal, factual, historically accurate "TRUTH"? Especially when it is full of contradictions, mistranslations and changes that were proven to be made well after the original was written. You make it clear that you believe so, yet despite repeatedly being asked, you have yet to answer. You simply deflect the question, or post some AiG page or ignore it. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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Not really, the USPA has a requirement of 200 jumps to JUMP a camera, not to be videoed on a jump. Dont forget we often have AFF first jump students getting video. And people seem to just be ignoring that the area he landed in is MUCh bigger than the experienced landing area at his home DZ. That's what I meant. Actually jumping with a camera. It is strongly discouraged for less experienced jumpers because of everything involved in adding a camera to a normal jump. AFF students being videod on a jump are doing it for their own purposes. Usually as a training tool or to have something to show their friends/family. The video isn't the main purpose of the AFF jump. Looking good for the camera was the main purpose for this event. The jump wouldn't have happened otherwise. I'm not ignoring the size of the landing area. I just don't see it as any more relevant than the size of a camera (small format like a GoPro). The pressures to make the jump and land inside the track because all the cameras and crew and permissions and all of that could easily have caused Vickers to make a bad decision to jump (to not call off the jump when he should have) if the winds had picked up, or to try for the track when a bad spot made landing out a much better decision. None of these things actually happened, but they certainly could have. And it is entirely possible that there was a "safety guy" who was responsible for determining that the conditions, spot, winds, ect. were within safe parameters. A safety guy who wouldn't succumb to the pressures of getting it done and would call the jump off if he thought Vickers couldn't do it safely. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

Your comparison is so wrong it is silly. Mine is a guy landing in a large (maybe larger) but different landing area. Yours is putting a guy under a much higher performance canopy. Your desire to be argumentative here has trumped your logic. I think a better comparison would be jumping a camera. While the physical differences (for both the camera jump and this demo) from a regular jump aren't all that much, the mental differences are huge. Most agree that the idea of "I'll just turn the camera on and forget about it" is difficult if not impossible. The idea that this was just another jump, just into a different landing area is ignoring the realities of the situation. The pressures of making the jump, the pressures of not calling it off, the pressures of "looking good" for the cameras. Even if the production crew told him to feel free to call it off from the plane or to land out if necessary, how much pressure would he have put on himself to get it right? How easy would it have been for that pressure to overcome common sense and good judgement? "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo