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Erm, cutting and pasting without citing your source and attaching your own name to it is plagiarism by definition. An oversight, that has been fixed.... See below. Anything in the BDM Discernment Notebook is freely available, and thus, no charge may be levied by you for the material. This means that you may download and copy verbatim and distribute any report BDM has posted to the Discernment Notebook sections of the web site, as long as the statement "Copyright BDM. All Rights Reserved" is included. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

In any case, I can't remember which ones you are referring to, so as I tire of this particular debate, I will adjourn, I have better things to do, like jump out of planes. It has been a real pleasurable debate though. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

I wasn't concerned, as I was not plagerizing, just passing along the info, of course I know you can google it, and encoruage it. There was no theft, as it was in the public domain, and if YOU are going to paste chucks, of dictionary definition, paste it all, not just part. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

That was great detective work, finding the source of that particular post, but more importantly, can you refute any of it? Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

I'll help you out with defining what a cult is I can also show you how JH and Mormons meet this criterea, so if I say something about a cult, I do not consider I am 'kicking other Chirstians in the nuts', as I do not consider them Christians. Ot the sane time, I am aware of many Christian denomonations, with which I have no problem. To name a few, Baptist, Assembly of God, Church of God, Church of Christ, Pennecotal, Lutheran, Presbyteryen, Episcapalian, etc. 1. Extrabiblical Authority: All cults deny what God says in His Word as true. Cults have shifted their theological point of authority away from God's full and final written Word, the Bible, to their own unique, self-promoting opinions about the Bible; they generally will use parts of the Bible but will have their own unique scripture which is considered to be superior to the Bible. While some cult groups give token respect for the Bible and go through the motions of accepting the authority of Scripture, in reality, they honor the group's or leader's novel interpretation of Scripture as normative. 2. Works Salvation/Legalism: Cults teach that eternal life depends upon something other than the Atonement; i.e., faith in the atoning, finished work of Christ on the cross is deemed not to be sufficient (usually replaced with human works and human responsibility). Rather than relying on the grace of God alone for salvation, the salvation message of the cults always boils down to required obedience to, or abstention from, certain obligations and practices (some even including obedience to the Old Testament law). 3. No Assurance of Salvation: The issue of a cult member's salvation is never settled, but is constantly affected by the changing circumstances of life; in this way, cult leaders are able to produce continued obligation and spiritual bondage, rather than spiritual freedom. 4. Guru-Type Leader/Modern Prophet: The cult leader is looked to as the infallible interpreter of Scripture, specially appointed by God to be a special saint, guru, or contemporary messiah, and thereby, has divine authority that must not be violated. Cultists almost always quote their leader rather than the Bible. The cult's adherents often expound the virtues of the founders and seek to cover the founder's sins and wickedness. 5. Vacillating, Ambiguous Doctrines/Spiritual Deception: In order to gain favor with the public, and thereby aid in the recruitment of new members, cult "doctrine" tends to be characterized by many false or deceptive claims concerning the cult's true spiritual beliefs (e.g., Mormons are not quick to reveal their belief that God was a man, who has now become the God of planet Earth). 6. Exclusivity from/Denunciation of Other Groups: Each cult group, regardless of what other doctrines are taught, will all have this one common idea -- "The Only True Church Syndrome." The members of each specific organization have been taught that their church, organization, or community, is the only true group and that all other groups are false. The group's leaders will explain that it is impossible to serve God without being a member of the specific group. Moreover, when the cult leader announces himself as the true "Messiah," all others are declared to be dishonest, deceitful, and deluded, and must be put down; alternative views are denounced as being satanic and corrupt. Persecution is welcomed, and even glorified in, as "evidence" that they are being persecuted for righteousness sake. Thus, if a member decides to leave the group, they have been told that they are not simply leaving an organization, but rather they are leaving God and His only true organization. Hence, for a member of a cult who has been in a group for any length of time, the action of leaving the group is much more difficult than what most Christians understand. To leave the group is, in the minds of the cult member, tantamount to leaving God. 7. Claims of Special Discoveries/Additional Revelation: Acceptance of new, contemporary, continual revelations that either deny the Bible or are allowed to explain it. The fundamental characteristic of Christianity is that it is historical, not dependent upon private knowledge and secret, unconfirmable relationships, while the almost universal basis of cult religion is the claimed exclusive revelation that one person has supposedly received. Rather than conforming to Biblical rules of evidence (2 Cor. 13:1), cult leader revelations almost always emanate from hallucinations, visions, dreams, private discoveries, etc. These new revelations often become codified as official written "scripture" of the cults (e.g., The Book of Mormon), and are considered as valid as that of the apostles (and even more relevant because they are given in these end times). 8. Defective Christology: Cults always have a false view of the nature of the Person of Jesus Christ; a cult will usually deny the true deity of Christ, His true humanity, His true origin, or the true union of the two natures in one Person. 9. Defective "Nature of Man": Most cults do not see man as an immortal being; instead they see him either as an animal without a soul or as a being which is being perfected to the point of becoming a god. They usually do not see man as a spirit clothed in a body of flesh awaiting the redemption of body and soul. 10. Out-Of-Context Scripture Use as Proof-Texts/Segmented Biblical Attention: Cults tend to focus on one verse or passage of the Bible to the exclusion of others, and without regard for the context in which Scripture is given (e.g., 1 Cor. 15:29 used by Mormons to justify baptism for the dead). In addition, cults have made an art form out of using Christian terminology, all the while pouring out their own meanings into the words. 11. Erroneous Doctrines Concerning Life After Death and Retribution: Covering the gamut from soul sleep to annihilationism to purgatory to universalism to the progression to godhood, cults invariably deny the existence of a final judgment of, and a final "resting" place for, the unrighteous. 12. Entangling Organization Structure: The less truth a movement represents, the more highly it seems to have to organize itself; the absence of truth seems to make necessary the application of the bonds of fear. Cults often demand total commitment by their converts to an organizational involvement that entangles them in a complicated set of human restrictions, giving the impression of passionate and often irrational devotion to a cause. 13. Financial Exploitation: The cultic practitioner strongly implies that money contributed to the cause will earn the contributor numerous gifts, powers, and abilities, and in many cases, outright salvation. 14. Pseudomystical/Spiritistic/Occultic Influence: Occult influence is many times found in either the origin of the group and/or in its current practices. "Copyright BDM. All Rights Reserved" Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Who are Jolly Wallys? if you mean Jehova Witness, they they along with Mormonism, qualify as cults. As for those who died before Christ, there were those who followed God, and those who did not. Those who did, were instructed to do animal sacrifices. The purpose of animal sacrifices were to 'hold in abeyance' thier sin, until Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice on the cross. While I cannot say for certain of those who die and never hear the name of Jesus, I believe that at some point EVERYone is given a oppoutnity to choose God or Satan, but when the choice is made, it is final. And while I do not advise you purposefully waiting till the end to repent, (simply because the end for you may come before you realize it) I do believe in death-bed salvations. The very first salvation was a deathbed confession, and Jesus said to the thief on the cross beside him "you shall be with me this day in paradise." Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

You are right, but you know I meant sex without marriage, not adultry :) Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Pont of Fact: I disagree with the pope on many things, including banning contaception use, and of course I am not Catholic. But that has absofreakinglutely nothing to do at all with people in Africa having AIDS, ergo, the fault is not with the pope. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is the result of many things, which if you were as educated as you want to appear, you would realize that they are as follows, to name a few, in no particular order: - Male Africans raping GIRLS in thier villages repeatedly, even to the point of ripping the flesh between the vagina and the anus. - FORNICATION, sex outside of marriage. (also answers your #2 question.) - The belief among many Africans, that if you have AIDS, you can cure it by having sex with a pre-pubescent girl. - Poor sanitation in many areas -Lack of Action by Some African Leaders - Western Pharmaceutical Companies’ Reaction to AIDS in Africa - AIDS is largely recognised as a disease of poverty, hitting hardest where people are marginalised and suffering economic hardship. For your #3 question, All have sinned and coem short of the Glory of God. But Jesus dies on the cross for the remission of our sins, so as for the what you must do? Simple, believe on Jesus, ask for and recieve the FREE gift of savation and be forgiven of your sins, repent, and make Jesus the lord of your life! No you are not doomed to hell if you repent, and believe on Jesus, but yes you are going to hell if you remain in your sin, and do not repent. And for a last point of fact, God does not send anyone to Hell. The power of choice is YOURS alone. You choose where you will go, only those who choose NOT to follow God, are choosing eternal damnation. As far as base being a sin, I do not do BASE, but niether do I believe it is a sin, IF it is legal to do it, when and where you do it. If it is a crime, then it is a sin. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Wow such a intelligent thing to say... While Catholosism is not the same as Christianity, and I do not agree with the Catholic church, or thier doctrines or thier practice of Idolatry, thier banning of contraception has NOTHING to do with people dying from AIDS. That was thier fault for commiting the SIN of fornication. I could answer every one of your items on your biased list, but then why bother... I am sure I am wasting my time. You should however, consider putting the blame where it belongs. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

That reminds me of a anecdote I once heard: A man dies and goes to Heaven, and when he gets to the throne, he says to God, "How can you allow all these children to die from starvation and hunger, and all the suffering in the world?" God replied, "I was just going to ask you the same question." Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Not true, study the bible and you will understand.... I don't have time to fully explain it. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

I welcome the many 'comments' I may recive for this.... I 1000% believe Jesus Christ was indeed the Son of God, and was God made man. He lived a totally sinless life, and died for all of our sins. He rose again 3 days after his crucifiction, and acended to the father where he sits today at his right hand. This I know, as certainly as I know that each time I take a breath, I will take in oxygen, and live. I may sound like a fanatic, and if I do, so be it. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and one day I will see him. The sad fact is that many do not believe, which is thier choice, but consider this: If Christians are wrong, then when we all die, it is just over, no harm, no foul. But if Christians are right, it's going to be awful hot for unbelievers. Everybody will live forever, just some will live in one place, and some in the other. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Good luck Simon, sorry I missed you last weekend, if you were in Suffolk, I am in OK, for xmas. Sunday I drove down to Skydive Dallas, but alas it was too stinking windy. But I got to check the place out anyway. Hope to jump with you again someday. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

July 2001, Skydive DeLand, Fl, Cat A. Next jump, was Aug, 2008, Skydive Suffolk, Got my A-license on Ocy. 3rd, 2008 Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Then again, maybe I'm just insane!! lol Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

To all my fellow skydivers, I would like to wish you a very merry Christmas, for you and yours. May you be blessed, and be blessed with blue skies and safe landings in the new year. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

I just thought I'd share my experience, and let you draw from it what you want, but it may bolster your confidence. Exactly 5 years ago, on Oct. 23rd, I was also in a car accident. My injuries were, Fractured neck @ C2, 3 pelvic fractures, collapsed lung, full thickness burn on my left arm equivilating 8% of my body, 5 hemmorages and 7 contusions to the brain, and I was in a coma. Now while it took some time to recover, and I later had back surgery in 2007 for a herniated disk, I still had a desire to skydive, after having done my AFF cat A in 2001. I never bothered with a tandem. Anyway, so in Aug 2008, I started over again, made a cat A, and after 3 weeks off, went the second weekend of September, and really got busy getting my license. Finished up Oct. 3rd. Now with 58 skydives and a B-license, I have definitly had a few hard landings, and bruised my tailbone a couple of times, but even the day after bruising my tailbone, I was jumping again. I recently got results from a MRI, which says I currently have a slight herniation of a disk again, which I have made 57 skydives with. To make a long story short, I love skydiving, and have had to overcome some obstacles to enjoy it, but it is all worth it. So, I am certain that you will find a way, and even if you get a minor injury, pick yourself up and keep at it, it's worth it! Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

To all my fellow skydivers, I would like to wish you a very merry Christmas, for you and yours. May you be blessed, and be blessed with blue skies and safe landings in the new year.

From the History channel encyclopedia: (Fr. para, “preventing”; chute, “fall”), large, umbrella-shaped fabric canopy used to reduce the speed of a person or object falling through the air, and carried as an escape device in aircraft. The use of the parachute was first suggested by Leonardo da Vinci, but the first practical parachute was invented in the 1780s. The French aeronaut Jean Pierre Blanchard dropped a dog equipped with a parachute from a balloon in 1785, and in 1793 claimed to have made the first successful human parachute descent. After this time parachutes became a regular part of the equipment of balloonists, and after World War I were adopted as lifesaving devices for the pilots and passengers of airplanes. sport parachuting, an outgrowth of early 20th-century barnstorming and, later, of military parachuting. The development of new training techniques and equipment have contributed to the safety and enjoyment of the sport. Modern skydivers typically free-fall from 3657 m (12,000 ft) above the ground until 762 m (2500 ft), where they open their parachutes. They maneuver in free-fall by controlling the position of their bodies. The use of steerable parachutes that allow soft, precision landings has greatly increased the sport’s popularity. A first jump can be made safely after four hours of professional instruction. Skydiving emerged as an international sport in 1951, when competitors from five countries met in Yugoslavia in the first world championships. Early competitions, dating back to the 1930s, were limited to accuracy in landing on target. Later, as skydivers learned to control their bodies in free-fall, they added a so-called style event. In this event free-falling contestants perform a series of aerobatic maneuvers before reaching parachute-opening altitude. In the most popular form of competition, teams of free-falling skydivers form predetermined geometric patterns, racing to build the greatest number of patterns in the allotted time. More than 30 countries participate in world championships, which are held every two years for each of these events. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Well, I have 2 under my belt, this first one I wanted, the second one there was no real reason for, but if you wanted to be the third one...... j/k Anyway, no worries, it is always tough even if you want a divorce. Coast Guard eh?? Maybe you can rescue me.... Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

10 Reasons why Skydiving is better than sex: 10. You can do it with your relatives. 9. You do with members of the same sex, and not be gay. 8. There is no such thing as a bad night of jumping. 7. No one gets jealous when you jump with someone else. 6. You can jump sevral times in the same day. 5. Alone, or in a group, same fun. 4. Having a bigger 'chute' is not better. 3. EVERYBODY goes DOWN. 2. Sometimes, it lasts longer. 1. YOU CAN DO IT IN PUBLIC and not get arrested. Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

Well alrighty then! I finished my A yesterday got it all done within about a month. Now I can get to spending half my income for the rest of my live Anyway, 27 down, and hundreds/thousands to go. I think I'll jump till it kills me Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453

A Sailor and a Marine are at a urinal in the same head.... The Sailor finishes, and starts to leave... The Marine says "hey, aren't you gonna wash your hands? The Marines always wash thier hands after using the head." The Sailor turns and says "No, we sailors don't piss on our hands." Tact is not my specialty..... Dirty Sanchez #453