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I know my point was proven ambiguous poster.... Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

What does questioning the study have to do with a "skygod attitude"? Answer: NOTHING and by the way 350 jumps is not a lot either. Would 350 laps in a race car be considered experienced? I think not. Again, great little study but hardly conclusive. By the way "Tom" I noticed you just registered and this is your first post... interesting. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

I don't think you "know" physiologically unless you are measuring as they did in the experiment. You may "feel" less psychological stress but that is not necessarily the same thing. Many things people think they know turn out to be incorrect under examination. There are some physiological things I cannot measure... that is true but others that I can. Heart rate, perspiration, etc. I do not think the study is invalid I just think they did not really consider factors they needed to consider. 30 jumps is nothing and can hardly be considered "experienced". The type of jump has a lot to do with it as well. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Oli Hare, one of the research team, is a jumper at our DZ, Peterlee.

Well there is still the other 90% of media that kisses Obama's ass. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/chris-matthews-sours-on-obama-164095.html It's over for Obama now.... Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Wait... are you saying that the law says that a parent cannot spank their child? Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

On that statement, you are not in the minority on this by any means - but no one is going to support you when you use the phrases "ass whooping" and "beating" so glibly when talking about something entirely on a different level that just supports the strawmen they use when they try equate a simple spanking with true abuse as long as the discussion has people calling a swat on a hand or a single spank on the butt to be the same as breaking arms and concussions, there really is no discussion to be had as long as the 'tough guys' here continue state they "got beatings" when they really got a stern talking to and two spanks, there really is no discussion to be had as long as the kids that truly got abused try to rationalize their parents behavior as simple corporal punishment, there really is no discussion to be had the question is really about what crosses the line and what doesn't - the real starting point is to ask yourself "when I punish my child for something. Am I angry, or am I in control and rational?" Agreed Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Darius11, There is a whole lot of knowledge available to anyone who wishes to learn. There are a lot better motivational things one can do without resorting to CP. Less side effects also. Pardon me but your knowledge about CP seems to me to be quite primitive though I cant vouch for my accuracy on this. It can be as simple as: Wow, if I present it this way to the child he gets it immediately where as with CP it would take about ten ass-whuppins. Take care, space Although I think CP should RARELY be used.... I cannot stress that enough.... I do believe at times it is very effective and can be used properly. Saying that it cannot be is just as narrow minded as saying all kids need a spanking. I think every kid is different. One size does not fit all. Some respond well to CP others do not at all. I personally think that had I not received some spankings growing up my life may have gone another way. One of my three sisters on the other hand was a very different story and my parents did a great job of using effective tools on her that would have never worked with me... they were tried and did nothing. I also do not believe a spanking needs to inflict a lot of pain. A little smack can go a long way. The child should not be spanked hard or several times imho. Also, I think it is key to never use CP when angry and once a spanking has happened there should be a discussion afterwards about the reson CP was used and getting the child to admit and acknowledge what he/she did. I think anyone needs to be careful about saying something is completely wrong. If you were abused and beaten it is easy to say all CP is wrong and it does not help and the flip side of that is true as well. Just my .02. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Sony recently announced new range of mounting solutions for ActionCam, one of which will have side mount possible. http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666555940 I think I like the Sony mount over the sleeve but I will post once I get one. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Sony recently announced new range of mounting solutions for ActionCam, one of which will have side mount possible. http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666555940 Thanks BR and Dark! Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Wish I had a way to side mount it. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

I'm in disagreement here. - Two handles is the norm nowadays..for several reasons. - KISS is not a good thing to teach - Having to re-train to other mechanisms is problematic - Other... I agree it's experienced jumpers ay elect any option they choose. ...buildings, power lines, trees, entanglements, wraps(?), (horses, cows, goats...oh, the stories here...) Agree to disagree about the students. I did not find a huge problem moving from SOS to a two handle system at all. Then again your experience trumps mine 100x over so I may change the way I think about this in the future I am not a DZO and never will be so it really does not matter what I think anyway. On the other comment..... cows... yup been there. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

I actually think they are a good idea for intial training (students). Thanks for the perspective Twardo and everyone else. P.S. I know two jumpers with over 5000 jumps each that have AFF & Tandem ratings that jump an SOS. Steve Stewart started SSK with Cliff and created the Sweet Hog is still a big fan of them as well. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

The only problem, other than those already mentioned, with the SOS (SINGLE Handle Operating System), is that is takes 2 hands to operate it. One for the initial pull and the other to grab the cable half way from the handle and finish the pull. The stroke is too long for your arm. This is inherrent in the design because of the required cable lengths. The configuration must allow for the release of the risers before the reserve is released. Some long armed folks can reach, in one stroke, on some rigs, but not all. Interesting.... My first chop was on an SOS... I guess I have long arms. I am 6'3... I cleared the cables in one pull with both hands on the D ring. I have never heard that before John. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

I was told the same thing.... you can stage your pull. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

That is a valid point but there is a very small chance of that happening. I do see your point though. Small chance maybe...IF it did though, there would be zero chance of it ever happening to ya AGAIN! Twardo..... once again VERY valid point. Same thing could be said of many pieces of equipment though... right? AAD for insance.... door opens, pressure change, you are by the door.... reserve comes out and you hit the tail. Very rare occurance but it has happened. Very likely if it happened to you it woud never happen again. I am not for or against an SOS I am just thinking through it all and getting opinions. I appreciate yours and everyone else's. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Never had wind speed or direction or both change on ya', eh? Hang in there...it'll happen. Pops... ya I have but not to the speeds that it drags me around. Maybe a little pull but nothing really that bad. I'm sure it will happen eventually. I have really een thinking about this because of some very experienced jumpers that use an SOS system still. Everything that I have ever heard negative about them is either a rare circumstance which lets be honest.... those can occur on any piece of equipment or when it gets down to it... the jumper does not look cool with an SOS Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

This is a fallacy: Twisted risers don’t trap the cables in the cloth riser channels if the yellow cable is properly lubricated or if you have a red cable. Hard housing don’t help. Proof: In a suspended harness lubricate your yellow cable and route it as normal but by pass the riser locking loops. Use a temporary cable for the riser loops. Load the harness with an extra person hanging on each side (3 bloke test) and twist it upto the 3 rings. Have the person in the harness pull the release cable. Now pull each of the individual riser cables and compare the difference. You may repeat the test with hard housings but you will not need to. Okay.... with all of that said.... why not an SOS system? Does suck to have an SOS in winds. Can't chop the canopy if you are getting drug around the landing area.... It has its merits, but it just seems safer to be able to activate the reserve independently. top I am not sure if it does seem safer. Easy fix to your situation.... do not jump in those high of winds. I personally do not right now even with my two handle system. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

That is a valid point but there is a very small chance of that happening. I do see your point though. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

This is a fallacy: Twisted risers don’t trap the cables in the cloth riser channels if the yellow cable is properly lubricated or if you have a red cable. Hard housing don’t help. Proof: In a suspended harness lubricate your yellow cable and route it as normal but by pass the riser locking loops. Use a temporary cable for the riser loops. Load the harness with an extra person hanging on each side (3 bloke test) and twist it upto the 3 rings. Have the person in the harness pull the release cable. Now pull each of the individual riser cables and compare the difference. You may repeat the test with hard housings but you will not need to. Okay.... with all of that said.... why not an SOS system? Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

That is what I was going to ask... with hard riser channels do you think that is still possible? That would take a lot of force but in our sport a lot of force does happen. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

Not directed at you Twardo just a question.... I have read a lot of why "SOS set ups are bad". I just wonder if what I hae heard holds any water. Unless you are doing CRW, or possibly camera.... why not an SOS. I know some are going to slam this but I know many very experienced skydivers that believe it is the only way to go. After all.... if you are jumping a skyhook or an rsl aren;t you really just trying to replicate what an SOS accomplishes except in a more complicated manner? I would love to hear some thoughts on this... perhaps it should go in to gear and rigging..... Rob Understood. I get the feeling some believe it's a more exact science in regard to the 'twice the speed = 1/2 the time & distance' that just isn't something to bet your life on. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com

What? that does not make sense at all. I think I get what you are trying to say but it really makes no sense. P.s. my 9 yr old would have had better sense and checked the spot. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com