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OMG so it is more common than I'd have thought ! I can't believe that student jumps don't cost a lot more than they already do! You couldn't pay me enough! Ah! But still there's a handful in every barrel, huh? Thanks for the input Bill.

Yet! With this Loose Cannon Cowboy in office for about another, 160 days give or take. God only knows what else he's capable of. Even more frightening, given the fact that, that would be a wild card stunt to continue holding office. only some tough talk Is exactly what we heard about Iraq. From the day he took office until the day we Invaded Iraq And.... How many military personnel lives lost & how many of the WMD that the invasion was based on, did we come up with? Hint : it rhymes with: NERO ! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

While I believe in, understand, and support, at least a basic need & obligation we have as one of the strongest & supportive free nations in the world. To sometimes intervene in outside affairs of unrest & war, in other parts of the world... Just how F * C K I N G far & thin can we stretch our already run ragged, far too many of them drained & homesick, having done much more than their fair share of 'Tours of Duty'? Bush & Cheney are jumping all over this one too! How much more should our loyal military personnel have to endure & sacrifice? High much higher can we get the death toll ?(so many of the most recent of which were unecessary) And how much higher can we get our already record breaking all time high National Defiecet, which Bush inherited as a surplus taking over office? How many more billions or trillions of dollars must we spend to needlessly sacrifice the lives of our great military personnel? Who far too often come home wounded, disabled to have to suffer as they struggle & are subject to the same old slap in the face 'Song & Dance' ? "Why, Yes you did a wonderful job, you sacrificed so very much, and certainly earned benefits, medical care, respect & recognition...but sorry NONE FOR YOU! We spent every last dime and then some, getting you all shot at, wounded or killed... So... tough cookies, get over it! Now move it along nothing to reap here. Oh but don't go too far we'll probably need to use your ass for 'foreign affairs target practice' again. M'kay?" It just ain't right..God Dammit! Once again God Bless our men & women in the military! What are your thoughts on this matter? Yay! Here we go again! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

You forgot Politicians & Tele-marketing It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

I encountered the same confusion at first. I believe its stating that not only is it our constitutional RIGHT to carry arms, but ALSO our RESPONSIBILITY to do so, in order that we work together as a nation, each law abidding citizen prepared to uphold, protect & fight for those rights for ourselves & one another. Which I really believe in myself, I just never thought of stating it in a manner that plain, simple & straight to the point! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Come on birdlike Please REALLY NOT COOL. Don't f*ck around with this thread. It's a very intriguging & thought provoking topic & concept. As Karen stated in the OP this is exactly why this is posted here & NOT in the bonfire. There are literally1000s of threads, with topics far less mature or intellectual to screw around in & hi-jack. PLEASE respect this one! Aside from the fact that it isn't really as farfetched a concept or exercise as some may believe it to be. Think about it, a scenario of starting over almost from scratch such as this, is not THATfar offbase of what could possibly happen in such an unstable world. & even if it is, it still makes a very interesting discussion. Instability of mankind itself with all the very real threats of nations constantly engaging in war. All it would take is one rouge nation with nuclear weapons & a similar scenario could become a reality. You don't think that living in bunkers or a post holocost world would be equivalant to going back in time to some degree, to start over from scratch with only the most basic of elements? Global warming! Even if you don't believe either of these scenarios are possibly going to occur in our lifetime: What right does anyone have to prevent others from having an intellectually based MATURE discussion on the 'what if' aspect of it. In the OP Karen VERY POLITELY in a subtle, unpretentious manner made the request, to respect the concept & discussion in a mature fashion, quite clear. She would be 1 of the VERY LAST members here to disrespect such a request or anyone without justifable cause. Yes she also has a great sense of humor. I'm certain she doesn't mind a wayward one-liner on the topic here & there in the replies. It doesn't mean we can just disrespect the thread topic, entirely hijacking it with nothing but repeatitive replies of goofy wiseass babble. That ain't right. If King or Spielberg had their name on it you'd throw down $30 for tix, stale popcorn flat soda & BITCH if anyone interrupted It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

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I have a whole new respect for ALL THE instructors, and I didn't think it was possible to respect them more than I already did. But ever be one myself Not after reading this. I'm sure I couldn't be that patient & helpful, immediately after having been practically strangled in freefall, unable to stabilize & get under canopy. In fact I'll have to make it a point to always be at the dz as early as possible & get on the 1st load of the day. I prefer that the instructor that's 'flying' with me not be some poor guy or gal that's recovering from an 'air assualt' in their last freefall. I'm funny I prefer my IAF/AFF 'flying' mentor & 'wingperson' to have had at least 72 hours to recouperate after 'the grip of death' applied in mid freefall. It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Sorry I'm bored, antsy and a little wound up right now. Does it show much. It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Ah whut do day no. I thunks dat uoo tipe inglush reelie xsalentlee in da 4ems thredz. u duz a goudly job. It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Hey Don ---------> No beer for you! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Sorry Nick, You need to enjoy a few drinks tonight. You can have that talk with me another time I can wait. So new I only have 7 jumps so far. I'm usually not nervous during my jumps. Just really that last one. I think I was reading too much in the incidents forums. And when I read your post it kind of freaked me out. especially because I had never viewed it that deeply from a instructors perspective. What really got me was the 'cindy' incident. I noticed in the incidents forums so many are quick to jump on 'where the instructor or the training failed' and place the greater part of the resposibility on instructors, training, or equipment & fail to factor in the human error or actions of the student. A student freaking out as wildly as that wrapping herself around your neck like that, preventing either of you from getting stable & pulling. I just pictured what the possible outcome could have be, if heaven forbid you had not been able to gain control of the situation in time. It never even crossed my mind at anytime to picture instructor in freefall having to 'peel' themselves off a student, to get stable & pull. what would happen if a cypress fired during this, struggle seriously? Thank god I haven't yet personally witnessed something that bad in my training. If I did I really don't think I'd want to jump for awhile. Is that severe a reaction as you desribed common? How do you keep in control when that happens? Isn't that NOT good for morale for other newbies seeing that? Doesn't it kind of dampen the vibe? It sure as hell would put a quash on my day at the dz. I wouldn't want witnessing an incident like that destracting me from focusing on & enjoying my student experiences. Sometimes it hard enough just focusing on getting everything right & safely so, as it is. I'm laughing now but I don't think I be laughing a whole lot, if I had to deal with seeing that on or just before any load or jump I'm making. I wouldn't have the heart to make you jump again that day It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

So forgot to ask...Did Bob actually jump on that last load? It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Holy #$@&ing @*#$ Um...DAMN ! I uh...wow SORRY...Tempted to say you've been through hell today, but um HELL would actually be an improvement! You don't just need a few cold strong ones, you really deserve them! If I could I send you few myself, I would. I don't even know what to say after reading that WOW SORRY. Where exactly does one obtain nerves of steel? I have even greater respect for AFF & Tandem instructors now. Sorry you had to go through all that HOLY SHIT ! I don't feel as stupid as I did before reading this. So far my biggest screw up, as a newbie was a little sensory overload & panic in experiencing an overwhelming urge or need to pull earlier then I was supposed to, on my very last IAF jump. (though I didn't) Blue skies. And may you NEVER have an experience like that again. Or any instructor for that matter. Cheers Note to self: Don't even THINK of EVER becoming an instructor down the road! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

Sorry just poorly worded. I was just say that red is the worst color over all. But I prefer the silver over any color. Hey it was really early & I hadn't had ANY coffee yet! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

There you all go AGAIN! Screwing up the entire debate... by bringing crap like FACTS & LOGIC In to the argument! You people have got a lot of nerve! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

No way are you kidding me? He was hilarious, big hearted (never forgot where he came from) & still rather young. Damn WTF? R.I.P. Bernie keep 'em ROTFLTFAO! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

You're not kidding, that is an odd but very cool pic. Thanks for sharing Dave! I got to sail for 10 days, on an exact replica of an 1832 tallship replica, in the summer of 2006! Along the Hudson, between from Lake Champlain to NYC . Very Cool !

Ooo... the Silver. Nicer looking, easier to keep the outside looking clean & purty, don't fade the way red does (red worst paint for sun fade) and it reflects the heat in hotter months, as opposed to the red absorbing it more.

Alrighty, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have a servere allergic reaction to bee stings. Once stung I have but about one minute, as my body begins to react & enters anaphylaxis shock, to administer 1-2 doses of epinephrine & an anti-histimine. So of course while I certainly do NOT anticipate being stung, EVERY SINGLE DAY I leave the house, I could get stung & encounter this scenario on ANY GIVEN DAY So it remains only reasonable that I still carry these items on me EVERY SINGLE DAY! A hell of a lot of good it would do me, to utter with my final breath, as my throat completely closes up...'But I was going to carry that shit with me TOMORROW ! Now why would it be any different, to take the same exact reasoning & apply it to the same odds of encountering, a potentially homicidal looney? Thinking, as he pops a round or two off in me or some other innocent victim, (or brutally stabs or beats...whatever) right before my eyes, & uttering in that moment... Shit, ain't this a bitch! Ya know what? I was going to carry one of my legally owned, self defense weapons on me TOMORROW! Think about that! Know what I mean? Skydekker, I certainly do give you credit. For at least responding in your last reply to my question here...that you reasonably believe an armed & ready, witness in the case in question, certainly could have made for a better outcome in this particular instance.

Nah, not really that's only a 'rule' when there's someone on the plane named after rainbow colored candy! Shhh its a secret! It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak

LMAO Double High Fivers Back at ya It's pretty pathetic when you have to TELL people you're fucking cool Skymama «narrative»This thread will lock in 3..2.. What a load of narrow-minded Xenophobic Bullshit!-squeak