RhondaLea

I thought about stepping up to the plate after that, but then I thought, "This isn't a game, this the the RhondaLea sex thread." But then I thought that maybe she was taking the emotional temperature in here and was expecting to spark things up a bit. Then I wondered if I wanted to be played that way. After that, I asked myself what *I* would do if I were in her shoes pretending to be in my shoes, pretending to...see? See what you've done to me? It's your own fault for figuring me out. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Well...let's make it a little more personal then. They get more from me. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

For many years, Parachutist wouldn't even run the advertisements, and went to much trouble to avoid mentioning BASE: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/browse_frm/thread/311624897a49e228/276090ffc1478091#276090ffc1478091 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/browse_frm/thread/ae4b3df1a48b3eeb/41d2b6154cd490d8?lnk=st&q=Will+Forshay+base+parachutist&rnum=2#41d2b6154cd490d8 Will Forshay even made it part of his campaign for National Director. Here are some related links that show the history of how base ads finally came to acceptance: http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-30,GGLG:en&q=Will%20Forshay%20base%20parachutist&sa=N&tab=wg You'll find that most of the sentiments expressed in this thread (on all sides) have had their advocates. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I found this over in the Bonfire. Someone is using it as a sig: I am still old, broke, in debt, homeless, unemployed and crippled but my chutes are packed and my reserve is in date so I figure that I am way ahead of the game. -- Bob Sinclair Emphasis supplied. IIRC, Bob is D-272. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

OMG! It could've been worse, Walt. At least she didn't have a thing for inserting objects into orifices. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Men with smaller penises get more blowjobs than men who are sized to interfere with breathing, cause choking and just generally to be a pain in the mouth. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I just want to reiterate my position that smaller guys get more blowjobs. Consolation for the shrimps, as it were. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Thank you for the thread, dear. It's not your fault that these people are a bunch of wussies. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

In the name of all that is decent, will you please get rid of that avatar before I run screaming into the night? I can't take it. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

What I found most appalling is that no one stopped to help. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Have a nice nap, dear. Kiss the baby for me. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Who is "the state"? It sounds like a big, impersonal machine to me, but in this country, at least, it's the voters who put the death penalty in place. Singapore is a parliamentary republic. Last I knew, that's not the sort of government where the peepul are prevented from voting. rl [#666666]Sarcasm: the last refuge of those without proof to substantiate a claim.

Do you have a reference for that? It just kind of interests me thats all!! Well, I found a reference of sorts, but not the article I read a couple of months ago. In the course of the search, I learned that tall people are smarter than short people (something to do with growth hormone) and two-to-three year old children are the most malicious of all humans. There are a number of scholarly articles, but they're "pay-per-view" and nothing in the abstracts is very helpful, but here's a starting place: In vivo evidence for post-adolescent brain maturation in frontal and striatal regions If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

That seems odd to me. Is there data to back that up? Yes. Somewhere. I just sent an email off to USPA to request the current fatality statistics for tandem, AFF and sport jumps. When I get an answer, I'll let you know. rl Edited to add: I used the appropriate address from their website. It bounced. I'm going to send it to Chris Needels instead. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I can find a bunch of definitions of "premeditated," but I can't find a single dictionary definition of "premeditated killing." I did however google it, and I posted a link to the results. Every instance implies "murder." One of the prerequisites of argument is the definition of terms. I don't and won't accept your definition, so I guess that means we can't argue this issue anymore. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

What a lovely warm and fuzzy belief. That's the theory. The implementation hasn't worked out as well as it might. Are you ready to revolt? rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I think murder is wrong. I don't think that the legal execution of a person who has been lawfully adjudicated guilty of a crime is murder. By your definition, and only by your definition, I think that "premeditated killing" is acceptable, with certain limitations, as I believe I mentioned earlier. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Just PM me your address, Bryan, and it'll be on its way. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Don't you know it's Monday? No one can handle a joke this bad on Monday. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Simple, you are viewing it from a legal perspective in terms of what is and is not illegal. ReBirth was using the phrase in terms of what is right or wrong with no implication of illegality, merely immorality. At the end of the day they did kill him and it was premeditated as those terms are defined in the english language. In legal usage they may have added connotations but, again, we are not in a courtroom and we are not arguing about legality. Premeditated killing is therefore a perfectly acceptable description of what happened. They thought about killing him, then they did. No. They didn't think about killing him. They passed a law that said "Smuggle drugs and die." Action ---> Consequence. I don't see that "premeditated" is ever used except in a legal context, and the intent of calling it a "premeditated killing" is to equate the death penalty with murder. In my book, that's spin. If you want to say that you think the death penalty is state-sanctioned murder, just say that. Don't be cute, don't be coy. Manipulation of the language is only clever when no one sees through it. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

It would be if it weren't artistcalledian making time while he's banned from the Bonfire. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I have five extra copies of the December issue. I'm holding one, pending the answer to a PM, and I'll send one to Coco, if he hasn't gotten a copy yet. That means three left to give away, if anyone would like one. rl Edited to add: Chad and Katie, yours is already in the mail. Edited to add: I know the math doesn't look right, but I didn't include my own copy in the numbers. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Premeditated killing is killing with forethought and planning. That's what state execution is. The fact that you're making the correlation between that and murder is something that you need to rationalize for yourself. Particularly since you seem to be defending it. You are both right, but you are just viewing it from different perspectives. Okay, you tell me: how is a legal execution a "premeditated killing"? And is "different perspectives" just another way of saying "spin"? rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Premeditated killing is killing with forethought and planning. That's what state execution is. The fact that you're making the correlation between that and murder is something that you need to rationalize for yourself. Particularly since you seem to be defending it. First issue: To me, you are a legal "wuffo." Your use of this phrase in this way is much like a skydiving wuffo talking about "pulling the string" or saying "the chute didn't open." As I think I said, as a legal concept...yada yada yada. Second issue: I don't need to rationalize anything. We have established societies and their rules to protect the members of those societies. If a person does harm to another member of a society--local or global--then measures are in place to deal with that harm. (I've already said how I feel about drug laws, but as I also said, when you choose the action, you choose the consequence.) I do have some issues with the death penalty, because if you find out later that a man is innocent, you can let him out of jail, but you can't let him out of the grave. On the other hand, there are situations...well, I'm of the opinion that some people are just better dead, and I would not hesitate to carry out the sentence with mine own two hands. Anyway, on the proofread, I find that I'm repeating myself a little too much for my own comfort. Please don't make me do it again. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I started later in life, and my parents no longer had much to say about what I did. They thought it was neat, but in keeping with the idea that something can be more than one thing, they were terrified. I got a taste of that when my daughter did a tandem on her 18th birthday. I was on a tight schedule, which is why she didn't do AFF, but in retrospect, it's just as well from my point of view. Even though I know AFF is statistically safer than tandem, I felt a lot better with her being a "strap-on" than otherwise. She had a great time. I, who never sweat, was sweating...and pacing...and talking too fast...and just generally freaking out in a very quiet kind of way. I taught Beck a lot better than I taught myself. She never behaved that way when I was jumping. Believe me, even if your parents think it's great that you jump, and even if they jump too, they will always have that ingrained fear of losing their child. But that really applies to everything our children do out of our sight, when we're not able to protect them. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb