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'Compelling evidence' is a bit of a stretch. I know some radio stations, too. Like KOMO 1000 ('Home of the Huskies') Not my job to do Georger's research for him, since I'm not the one who claimed Lyle did an interview five years ago where he said...well, whatever Georger says he did. You would have to ask him. Lyle Christiansen's role in his brother's status as a suspect was minimal. He didn't HAVE a story to fabricate, because he didn't know whether or not his brother was the hijacker. What 'story' do you mean exactly? Lyle Christiansen's history is pretty simple: He saw a TV show on Cooper. He noticed his brother resembled the sketch shown on the TV show. He knew his brother was a paratrooper. He contacted the FBI. A couple of agents out of Minneapolis talked to him, but basically blew him off. He tried to contact Nora Ephron about it. When that didn't work, he contacted Porteous, who opened a file and did an initial investigation. Porteous later contacted Gray. Gray did the article. Porteous contacted me some time later. I did interviews, collected some documents and pictures. Lyle had absolutely nothing to do with the investigation on his brother. He doesn't know how Kenny got his house, or all the money, or where Kenny was on 11/24/71. He did volunteer some pictures and all of Kenny's available paper records. And that's where his participation ended. Explain to me exactly how Lyle Christiansen made up a story about his brother. He didn't have one. You keep sort of ignoring that. Since you are talking about whose job is whose, then I submit that it is Georger's job to give us what he has on this radio interview. Not you, not me, but HIM. My questions regarding Gossett are legitimate. You say you don't believe Gossett was the guy. I say he should be investigated further, which means I am a bit more open-minded than you might think. "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe

He doesn't know how Kenny got his house, or all the money, Now that IS interestink. Rather than fetch the quote I will quote you as saying: "Kenny told his friends he had made a lot of money from the airline". Yes? My spirits perked when you said this, and my alter ego went: "Viola!". Not "working for the airline", but "from the airline" ... which may be a vital distinction. Maybe Kenny's associates you interviewed gave a fairly exact rendition of what Kenny told them ... "from the airline" not "working for the airline". Letme cut to the chase. "From the airline" could mean Kenny was using his employment with the airline to enagge in activities (to make money) otherwise not available to the average person who does not makes trips around the world in an airplane - everymonth? Kenny had stamps and coins - yes? Where was a lot of money made in the 60s by people making trips overseas, to buy and sell stamp and coin collections ... from the hoard of such coillections being sold dirt cheap post WWII in Europe and South America and the Far East? Lots of Nazi's selling their collections stolen but now in need of cash by the early 1960s.. Half the best coin and stamp dealers in Chicago made money in just such trafficing overseas. Airplane tickets were required to get there. Maybe somebody on one of Kenny's flights gave him the idea? "Hey sir, where are you going and why". "Why son, Im headed for Prague or Buenos Aires, to buy some of those free stamp and coin collections the Nazi;s stole during World War II, and you should too! Want to join me in a trailer?" Most of it off the books for a private citizen , so to speak ? That, could be the difference between "from the airline" vs. "working for the airline". Its just a wild idea I expect to see in your next revision. How about that apology - Blevins ?

And there you have it, Mister Blevins. Move on - I will be glad to accept any apologies you care to make - I guess I had better get cracking redacting the transcript@! Shit! Work work work!

Rather than claims and trying to extrapolate to the whole US military from individual experiences and empty suppositions/claims, maybe look at the actual evidence, if available. But never let that deter you, take one instance of a thing to make claims about the whole universe. There are people who worked with and knew Gossett personally - yes? One of them used to be here. (Good gorsh!). Maybe they have an opinion? I dont think Mr Blevins cares a whit about Gossett or any of this. The goal of the poster is defeating people - Marla etal - now Cook. That is the real gambit here being promoted by one poster. I think the Cooper case and all of its facets are just a "tool" being used by a "troll" who has nothing better to do who attacks people and gets some vicarious thrill out of pretending superiority. In order to determine if Gossett could have been gone without any record of it, you have to talk to the people who were there and see the records - yes? Will the poster goto tat trouble or do that? No! All he wants is to plant a question he has no intention of actually answering, sow chaos and doubt, and a pre- determined result whether accurate or not. The whole Cooper case is full of this kind of empty speculation without any resolution. It is ripe territory for book promoters! "You will know a thing by its fruits." - Marilyn Monroe.

Because I have the facts you are missing - or dont care to have others have. Hint: Radio program 2007. Lyle admits the Kenny story was all made up. Program participant was: a phD associate professor of communications at a prominent university - who has been following the Cooper saga of cultists like you, for years. He's well acquainted with your mind games schtik. Yes Blevins. Its a bit out of your league. I wouldnt tangle with the guy if I were you. He's likely to ruin your credibility! Take your own advice: Move on - Show me where Lyle Christiansen provided ANY proof whatsoever that his brother was the hijacker. He simply named him as a suspect. He's never lived in Washington, and wasn't that familiar with the people Kenny knew. This is why Lyle is only minimally mentioned in the book. It was Geoff Gray and Skipp Porteous who first investigated Kenny, not his brother. I followed that up with interviews of the people Kenny knew, and retrieved a couple of tax documents, as well as some additional pictures from people like Helen Jones. Lyle Christiansen was asked to provide whatever documents he had on Kenny. Some of those went directly to me, others went to Porteous and then to me. All of them are now in a set of files in my office. And excuse me for saying...but if you and your PHD friend are so smart, why haven't you figured out who the hijacker was yet? And why haven't you been able to discredit the testimony of people like Helen Jones, her daughter, Margie and Bernie Geestman, Geestman's sister, and others? Did they just 'make up' everything, too? The only one on that list whose story(s) didn't check out was Bernard Wayne Geestman. Let's discuss Mr Geestman one more time for a moment. This is a guy who went on and on about his friendship with Kenny, and then turned white as a ghost when he found out I was investigating the Cooper case. This is a guy who was pointed to in six separate interviews by his own ex-wife as being involved in the hijacking. This is a guy who had just met me on his front porch, but when he found out I was going to drive up 400 miles to Twisp to interview his ex for the first time, he wanted to come along for the ride. This is a guy who was named by at least three separate witnesses (who live many miles apart and hadn't heard from each other in years) as gone missing over the week of the crime...with Christiansen. This is a guy who lied about his work schedule with Foss Tugs in an attempt to alibi his whereabouts in November 1971. This is a guy who tried to tell History Channel execs he hardly knew Kenny and thought he was a dishwasher, but when confronted, agreed to come onto the television show. When he did, he said he and Kenny were good friends, he was at Kenny's deathbed, and yes...Kenny COULD be the hijacker. Of course, that last statement by Geestman poses a really big question. How could he volunteer that Kenny could be the hijacker when multiple witnesses place him WITH Kenny over the date of the hijacking? Kind of a rock and a hard place thing going there. This is a guy who said he didn't know anything really about how Kenny got his house or how his sister got five grand from Kenny. Yet he was the one who asked Kenny for the money and delivered it to his sister, and the house was purchased from a couple where Geestman served as their Best Man. More lies from Mr Peanut Gallery, who has made a science of deception since the start, even attempting to get his own sister to lie, which she refused to do. Do you really believe he did all THAT in an attempt to hide some gay sex thing from forty years ago? I think not. And there has never been a hint, nor a shred of testimony or evidence that Bernard Geestman was anything but straight. At least in his sex life. If you are speaking about HONESTY, that is a different matter entirely. Radio interview, my butt. Virtually zip in the investigation on Christiansen has anything to do with his brother. And I will remind you that it's been FIVE YEARS since 2007, and a lot more has been discovered since that time about Christiansen, as well as the people he knew. You can try to write him off as a suspect with weak junk like some *alleged* radio interview with Lyle, but you'll have to do better than that. As I've said many times, I haven't been able to prove KC was the guy. Sure, I kind of wonder about it sometimes. But the smoking gun just isn't there. Maybe someday Bernie Geestman will try a little honesty and then we will know one way or another. One of the problems is although a number of people in Kenny's life may hold a piece or two of the puzzle, I believe there are only THREE people who know the complete truth on what happened that Thanksgiving week...and one of them is dead. Edit for Everyone Else: As far as the Gossett thing and the US Army, probably the better approach would be to interview people Gossett served with at Fort Lewis in November 1971. See if they alibi him, or remember if he was around the base or not that day. Just about everyone in Western Washington who is old enough and were here (Fort Lewis is a bit south of Seattle) remembers what they were doing the day of the hijacking...kind of like when St Helens blew up.

And I should listen to you WHY? Because I have the facts you are missing - or dont care to have others have. Hint: Radio program 2007. Lyle admits the Kenny story was all made up. Program participant was: a phD associate professor of communications at a prominent university - who has been following the Cooper saga of cultists like you, for years. He's well acquainted with your mind games schtik. Yes Blevins. Its a bit out of your league. I wouldnt tangle with the guy if I were you. He's likely to ruin your credibility! Take your own advice: Move on -

Move on - And I should listen to you WHY? Move on is a great suggestion. To what? More of your insults, your false quotes, your radio interviews that don't exist? You'll have to give me a hint. Or read Miss Manners. WOW! such bitterness. Egotistical smarm. Contempt! You're not moving on at all! I thought it was you who ordered all of us to "move on" ? Yes it is difficult to move on when you have nothing to move on with - I wondered how you were going to fulfill your command for all of us to move on, since it is you who can't! So to remind you - here's your post below. Telling us to "move on" .... you must have been kidding or hosing us again. quote: RobertMBlevins United States Jumps License In sport : : : Sep 14, 2012, 12:21 AM Post #36214 of 36243 (275 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Aug 1, 2010 Posts: 2129 ------------------------------------------------------------Lyle Christiansen was a very small part of the investigation on his brother. A few pictures, he gave a name. Everything that happened after that had nothing to do with him. He simply pointed toward his brother and other people took it from there. He didn't interview anyone, he didn't research documents. This small-town senior citizen approached Nora Ephron because frankly, he just didn't know what else to do. We're talking about a retired Post Office worker who just suspected his brother might be Cooper. It was actually Geoff Gray who did the initial work on this, not me. I took it as far as I could, and that's all there is. Do I know if his brother was really Cooper? No. Moving on now? "

Move on -

Well. Productive night. The stage is set. Move on! Enjoy! One can always count on a troll being himself. Truth? You got a first hand demonstration. If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe

Well, Marilyn Monroe quoter: seems tome the question is are you ready to move on and stop attacking Cook? b]And Cook's history does not garner confidence. Doesnt sound to me like you are moving on at all! And your record and post above don't garner any confidence you are moving on .... just diverting, biding time to revisit, dropping misinformation like you were reporting facts which you arent .... Why are you asking anyone's permission! You are and will post anyway .... until the last drop of the forum's blood. Lastly: you say "Do I know if his brother was really Cooper? No." Lyle Christiansen said THAT IN 2007, PUBLICALLY! So you and Lyle are finally in agreement although coming from you we already know its just one more "diversion" stalling for time on your part. I gues diversion is all we get (and will ever get) from you. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but .... Blevins will have put on a show. Let's move on to the rest of the show which is going to happen ... because Blevins has the right! Buenos Bochos Dochos

Well, you make some good points, and frankly I think I have presented some reasonable evidence that makes Kenny Christiansen's life at least interesting. However, I stopped taking Georger's comments seriously some time ago. When people get personal, no matter what you post, simply because they don't like you...then you tend to take them less seriously as an amateur investigator in the Cooper case. On points that have nothing to do with KC, it has been the same thing. Let me give you a good example. A while back, Galen Cook posted some pictures of suspect Bill Gossett at the Coast to Coast AM radio website. I noticed that most of the pictures he presented were of Gossett years before the hijacking..all except ONE. And that one was taken less than 18 months after the hijacking. It shows an overweight guy who looks nothing like Cooper, or at least the official sketch. I pointed out that the guy was overweight and looked nothing like the sketch. I also mentioned in passing that he had hairy arms. Instead of addressing the fact that the picture looked nothing like Cooper, most of the people here made fun of the fact I mentioned the guy had hairy arms, and ignored the obvious non-resemblence to the hijacker. I came right out and said that this showed Galen Cook was misleading people by presenting much earlier pictures, when in reality Gossett looked nothing like Cooper close to the time of the hijacking. Some folks said maybe he just put on all that weight to disguise himself, i.e. to change his appearance. My response: How about a picture of Gossett from 1971, then? Or an FOIA request to see Gossett's duty log records on the week of the hijacking? Laughed off. This is why I think some people live to discuss the case, but shy away from actually solving it, or at least eliminating suspects. There also seems to be a problem here with actual witness testimony from living people. More people accept the idea that Gossett supposedly told a judge he was Cooper...but that this statement can't be proven because the judge is dead now, and while he was alive he didn't comment on it. Yet people give that supposed statement a lot of credibility. I don't create conspiracies or hide identities. Because I gave out the names of the witnesses, and said who 'Dawn J' really was (Bernie Geestman's sister) it would be reletively easy for anyone to check out these people on their own. Another point: I constantly have to remind people here that I don't know, and cannot prove that KC is the hijacker. And...that I am open to the idea of another suspect. If you think about it, this has to be true. Even though there is a certain amount of circumstantial evidence that brings Kenny into the spotlight, there is no way to prove it, and the odds are he WASN'T the guy. I mean...if you were to bet on it. It could even be someone who escaped notice completely and has never been on the suspect list. I think it's time to move on, too. On Kenny, that is...unless something new comes up. I've presented everything I have on him (although, yes...I am withholding a couple of small things as a control, like the FBI does, which I think makes sense). Look, even I get tired of talking about him. You've seen everything, and like people tell me here, you can go back on this thread and you'll eventually find everything. There are also the Newsvine articles and the book, yes. Since everything has been presented on KC, it is time to go somewhere else on this thread. Geez...people stop me in the aisle at Fred Meyers and Safeway here in Auburn. Or on the street. Auburn isn't that big, and being on the planning committee for Auburn Days, and landing in the local paper so many times, and the deal with History Channel and Comcast Sports ('Adrenaline Hunter') my face around this town is well-known. My voice wears out answering peoples' questions LOL. I do try to be polite, though. So yes. Let's move on. If I discover anything new or significant on KC, then I will post it, but anything else would be a rerun. It's probably boring to readers here, and certainly is to me. "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..." Marilyn Monroe

But every time you open your mouth, Georger goes beserk, and several others continue to question your premises and conclusions. Your story is a broken record, same ol' thing, over and over again, ad nauseum. Don't you think there might really be something to all this criticism directed at you? Insanity is to continue to do the same ol' thing but expect different results. No - I just sit here and wonder "how much longer can he go" and then with every cycle of posts he makes the answer becomes obvious. FOREVER! I think he would post here for readers if nobody else as posting here - Then with every round of questions and criticism it turns out he has EVEN MORE MATERIAL TO POST! That is all there is to this and Mr. Blevins. If that is Georger going berserk, then maybe you need to pay even MORE attention to Blevins and less to anyone else. Blevins is the rock star here. Please continue his rapture, and believe him. It's your time, and his.

Experts? Where are they? Have any of them managed to solve the case yet? LOL they've had long enough to do it. (Pssst, Mr I-Should-Attend-Research-School: There WAS no thread here back in 1971, or even the Internet) I have just as much a right to present evidence against a suspect as you do. My research may not lead to the conclusion that Christiansen was Cooper, but I do keep good records. All interviews were voice-recorded and catalogued. Some are on video. I kept extensive notes. I have copies of all the offered documents and pictures. Yes, there are a few reserved from open posting on the internet. I wasn't making a joke when I said that yes...maybe it's time to discuss something on the Cooper case OTHER than Christiansen. I presented what I have and there isn't much more to say on it. If the Seattle FBI wants to drop by, we will talk to them. If they don't, that's fine too. If some future researcher wants to continue investigating him, I would cooperate with them. I can't say Kenny was the hijacker. There isn't enough evidence. Maybe someone will figure it out later, but that job is no longer mine. Moving on from KC is fine with me. Like I said, even I get bored discussing him. We will obey! Lead us oh Master. Shamalacka schniboo plgarargbbrgara ani.

[Blevins] It only proves that he went through forty times his monthly income from the period between April, 1972 and October 1972. The Geoff Gray article says the same, only he quotes it like this: '$512 a month and all the toilet paper you can carry...' According to figures, the $200,000 taken in the hijacking would be worth $1,040,000 in today's dollars. So let's extrapolate Kenny's actual income in 1971 (512 a month) to those same dollars today. This would be approximately $2,500 a month. Then let's extrapolate further the money he spent in cash (that is known and can be proven) within eight months of the crime. That would be $15,000 (house), $5,000 (loan to alleged accomplice's sister), and the two lots, one behind the Safeway ($1,800) and the adjoining lot to his house. ($10 plus paying off mortgage of $1,500). These are in 1971 dollars, of course. These figures calculate today as such, all in cash: 1) House: $75,000 2) Loan: $25,000 3) Adjoining lot, Bonney Lake, at house: $7,500. 4) Wooded lot, behind present-day Safeway: $9,000. All spent within eight months of the crime. I dont understand your fancy math! You say Kenny spent within 8 months of the hijacking "40x his annual income, at $512 per month "and all the toilet paper you can carry" ? Well sir: (12x512) x40 = 250,080.00. But his actual expenditures in 1971 from your list above adds up to only: $23,300.00 - yes? So you are $226,780.00 short! Where are you getting this 40 times his annual income? And what is this bs about today's dollars? The transaction was in 1971, not today! What kind of math are you using? Hannity math? Gadaffi math? AB Books People's Party math? This is stupid. Moreover, you are forgetting inflation in Kennys' wages after 1970! Use your fingers and toes and recalculate?

I'm not posting copies of all of those, especially to the group going around this site. I just love being hosed. Para-quote: Witness No.1 - "Hello Jerry: I recall very well the program we did with ________ (redacted) ... The program aired in mid-November 2007. There had been a wire story that I read and a network TV story that I saw, featuring Lyle Christiansen following Geoff Gray’s article, claiming that Lyle’s brother Kenneth was the legendary D.B. Cooper. ________ (redacted) ... several people including Lyle to do a show. Lyle appeared via phone. I questioned Lyle first and he didn’t seem to know anything for sure – so I opened it up for others to ask questions. Lyle seemed willing to do this and half apologized for not knowing more about the Cooper case or his own brother, which I found very strange given the gravity of his supposed claim. We kept going in spite of Lyle's lack of knowledge and all questioned Lyle. It became obvious that Lyle really didn’t know anything about the DB Cooper case or how his own brother could have been DB Cooper. He kind of cornered himself with his inconsistencies in his story. ___________ (redacted) After a few attempts to regain some credibility, I recall Lyle saying that he really didn't sincerely believe that his brother was D.B. Cooper. I recall that he said that specifically and then he explained that his original plan was about making a good story. I think he said, ‘I thought it would make a good story and a movie’. And then he said _____________ (redacted) which astounded everyone. ___________ (redacted). Bottom line is when we asked Lyle if he really thought Kenneth had been Cooper he said "No", and went back to his making a good story to use as a plot for a movie, which if I have this right is the whole reason he hooked up with Mr. Porteous in the first place. Please fill me in on what you're working on regarding the case and this program we did. Thanks, ____________ (Redacted) Witness No.2 - _________________________________ (redacted) Witness No.3 - ____________________________ (redacted) Witness No.4 - ___________________________ (redacted) Witness No,5 - ____________________________ (redacted) That's all you get, Mr. Blevins! You will have to buy the book.

1) House: $75,000 2) Loan: $25,000 3) Adjoining lot, Bonney Lake, at house: $7,500. 4) Wooded lot, behind present-day Safeway: $9,000. All spent within eight months of the crime. Here's an original thought - for a change! Kenny or one of his associates "found the Cooper money"! Maybe Kenny was down in Vancouver doing a bum's rush at one of the hobo camps near Tena Bara, stumbled out at 5:00am and looked down. and "viola!" - I mean you do know other people claim to ave found money after the hijacking, dohn'chu?

He-mens & He-womans & He-horsies & He- recherchers & He-internetism and he-junk. Can't they shake their he-junk on some other totem pole? No respect for burial grounds and sacred tree stumps always leads to trouble! It only makes sense (common sense) that the first he-woman in earth to hitch and drive four Cyldsdales a-breast, would also be the first person on earth to recognise and know - D.B.Cooper. The two kinda go together. Like ditch digging and relativity!

Making everything public is not in our best interests. It's not Dropzone viewers who matter to us so much in the Christiansen case, but the Seattle FBI. Even if I had a picture of Geestman holding up one of the ransom bills, you wouldn't be convinced anyway, so why bother? . Oh! So there is still a "Christiansen case" in spite of your disclaimers. I guess you were just hozing us and Dropzone readers - all along! Gray etal were right about you!

he built this collection up much larger, but the true amount wasn't known until 1994, so it's kind of a moot point. [ True amount? What IS THE TRUE AMOUNT? DEFINE TRUE AMOUNT? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Catalog value, retail, wholesale, etc etc etc etc I dont think you even know WTF you're talking about here - You keep using this phrase "TRUE VALUE" but you wont tel us what 'TRUE VALUE" IS! Value in monkey teeth or bat's eyeballs? You keep throwing around "words" that have no meaning! Why in hell does everything you say make sense to you but to nobody else on this planet? Where in hell are you from? Mars?

The 'coin and stamp question' is not a big issue here, because most of it happened long AFTER the date of the hijacking. . Blevins you are tripping all over yourself here - have snipped all the other kah kah you posted. If the stamp/coin collection is not relevant to the hijacking then wny present it at all? Youve gone on and on and on about this collection until hell wont have it any more, now you say its not relevant? Jesus man! Make up your mind. It seems to me everything you post and have ever posted, and everything you ever will post ad infinitum, is intended for one sole purpose: to prove RobertMBlevins is the foremost expert on Kenneth Christiansen, the DB Cooper hijacking, and 50000 other issues under God's heaven. Congrats! Along with cleaning houses and whatever in Washington State, you have now officially swept the Universe clean and driven 5000 people into insane asylums. I guess we can now expect the End Times and the Second Coming of RobertMBlevins, at any moment! It's demonic! Jesus practised in Judea. RobertMBlevins on Dropzone. Surely, there is a new Marilyn Monroe quote about that you can throw in also - Im tired of reading the old one50,00000--== times. BTW the outhouse is out of paper. Bring your Blevins Catalog of Everything. Or a printed copy of all of your posts here and elsewhere. And a bucket of lime, pleez.

RMB states the stamp & coins as follows: "20) Coins and Stamps - One of the things Kenny had in his estate was a large collection of stamps and gold coins. It was valued at around $400,000 (in 1995 dollars) and left to his family in Minnesota. The authors discovered that most of it was ordered by mail through a P.O. box down in Sumner, although Kenny had moved to Bonney Lake shortly after the hijacking." Blevins does not state what 'value' is being used - catalog, face value in coins, dealer-wholesale, retail- Scott catalog value ... and he doesnt tell us the percentage of gold coins vs stamps. So it is very difficult to get a handle of this socalled: $400,000 value Blevins assigns. Did someone actually pay KC's estate $400,000 for this collection? ( I doubt it). Again, without knowing the ratio of gold coins to stamps its hard to estimate the actual value one could expect from this collection. But two things can be said - (1) gold coins acquired say from 1970 forward would have been purchased at $35/ounce or less. Gold went all the way from 35/ounce to ~$1200/ounce by the 1990s. So Kenny's actual outlay (purchase price) is far less than the final value. We also dont know when KC acquired the bulk of his collection, if it was all during the 70s, spread out over 30 years, etc. - all of which goes to KC's actual outlay in acquiring what he had at death. (2) Stamps: lets say KC's stamps had a catalog value of say $50,000 which by any standard would be a magnificent collection of something even by 1990's standards. But the actual buyer price for such a collection is gong to be somewhere between 1/2 to 1/5 of catalog price, depending on condition and nature of the items being purchased. Again, these facts go to what KC actually spent in acquiring whatever he had at the time of death. Stamps inflated wildly from the 60s to 1990s. Knowing who he purchased his stamps from would tell us something about the nature and actual value of his collection. We dont know if his stamps were US, foreign,or what. Min vs. used? Did he have these stamps in Scott Specialty albums or just in approval books? (X) Who paid the inheritance tax on KC's collection and what was that amount? Is this $400k the assessed value for tax purposes and who assigned that value - who expertised the collection for the estate? Was it Lyle? What are Lyle's qualifications? RMB says Kenny acquired most of this collection through a PO Box. How does RMB know that? Any facts about the dealers from whom KC purchased his items? Did Kenny collect stamps as a kid or inherit a collection from his folks? What was the basis for him collecting stamps, and especially gold coins? Gold coins are pretty specific and usually collected for purely financial reasons as a hedge against inflation and economic chaos. There are so many unknowns in "400,000 collection of stamps and gold coins" that its hard to guess what this actually means, and what Kenny's actual expenditures were and when purchased ... Once again its all conceptual. Not a fact in the pot!

No kidding? Well...that was probably because after twenty years with NWA, both on Schmoo and in Seattle, he was still only taking home about five hundred a month, and that's when they weren't out on strike. Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words. Blevins, Georger has written words of wisdom in his post that you are replying to. The airline business was very unstable in the 1960s and 1970s. There were long seasonal layoffs for those in both the cockpit and cabin crews that had low seniority numbers. Additionally, both the cockpit and cabin crews could get their maximum allowable flying hours over with in a couple of weeks as a matter of routine. That leaves two weeks or more that they would have free. Even the most senior captain on the airline probably had a second job (a non-flying one probably) or some additional income activity going for him. That is just the way things operated in that day and age. So KC and probably everyone he flew with were basically working two or more jobs. And maybe some of them even managed to save a few dollars along the way. KC doesn't look like he is "working" or doing something he normally does in that picture. Actually, he looks like he is having fun. Robert99 I thinks Blevins makes way too much out of this 'NWA grudge' Kenny supposedly had. Life was hard for eveyone, in just about every branch of life during that period. Blevins calls the place Kenny lived in a dump. I dont recall any evidence of Kenny ever saying that? Its Blevins saying that, not Kenny. Kenny may even have favored in his remote location in a next-to- nature condition? There were millions of people living in similar conditions or worse, all over America. What stands out to me in the 'new' profile for KC is the wider more dynamic network of relationships KC had. The network outlined by Blevins vs. the network outlined by Gray, is quite interesting in its totality. And I dont recall either Blevins or Gray saying KC's personal network included anyone at NWA. Thus when you add NWA to KC's personal network, KC suddenly becomes much more of a dynamic person. One wonders where in this income producing opportunity may have existed - something overlooked to date? His income came from somewhere - while his personal needs were also being met. The whole thing looks like a stable situation, not something that would drive someone to criminal activity on a mere grudge? Cooper said: "This is not about money".

No kidding? Well...that was probably because after twenty years with NWA, both on Schmoo and in Seattle, he was still only taking home about five hundred a month, and that's when they weren't out on strike. Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words. No. It was a principle Kenneth learned by example watching his parents struggle as a child, if you bothered to read Geoff's article and Lyle's description of WHY Kenny had the passion to "make a buck". Quit winging it - learn to read. HELLO! HELLO! IS THERE ANYBODY IN THERE?

Lyle Christiansen (Kenny's brother) and Kenny's nephew Bruce Christiansen have both said that the family knew Kenny was gay from about the time Kenny was sixteen years old. I guess its some consolation after years, that Blevins finally admits Kenny was gay, and that the family knew it all along? (RMB's post above). Gray and Porteous questioned Lyle at length about Kenny's background and psychology. Two main themes emerge from Lyle's statements and from Gray's research, as I read this - (1) Lyle says in Unmasked: " Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck,” Lyle says. Gray and Lyle explain this further with examples I wont repeat here - you can read Gray's article. The vital point is, Kenny was always working 'off the books' by himself or with others, and we know he died with considerable savings and assets. While we know some of the jobs that he worked in addition to working for NWA, we dont know the full slate of extra income producing activities he engaged in, by himself or with others through the whole period of his life. He may have used his network of relationships to produce 'off the books income'. His relationship with Geestman could have been an income producing activity ? Lyle's remark ("Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck") and Kenny's net worth at death after a lifetime of working and earning, do not seem contrdictory. Moreover, nobody has presented any facts (IRS, bank statements, or otherwise) as to what Kenny's net worth at the end of each year, say 1970-1980. And if some amount was being made yearly 'off the books', then there is no way to do a reliable accounting. And neither Gray or Blevins seem to have persued this at any real depth at all. Did Kenny get any bank loans during his life? Kenny's financial structure is still a mystery. (2) We know that Kenny was gay. Blevins has finally conceded this, and even added further detail tonight on top of Porteous' and Gray's previous research and remarks. Gray's account in Unmasked is thorough (you can read that online). NWA employees describe Kenny as being withdrawn and very private. But thanks to Gray (and not Blevins) we know that Kenny's personal life was complex and dynamic, involving a wide swath of relationships and activities over a long period of years. That is a revelation! Mr. Blevins suggests a much smaller primary network of relationships for Kenny vs. what Gray names and interviewed. It leads me to wonder just who were Kenny's primary friends and associates and where the people Blevins identified actually fits in, given that we now know Kenny had a much wider (longer) network of relationships than Blevins portrayed. The above could have strong implications for what Kenny earned and actually spent in any given year, the full list of Kenny's sources for income as well as other opportunies coming to Kenny at any given time, the actual importance of Geestman in Kenny's life, or if Kenny was even available to do a hijacking on Nov 24, 1971 ? Obviously, Kenny had many more 'important' relationships than Blevins has identified or mentioned. Could Kenny have done a hijacking and none of his other 'intimate friends' knew about it? Maybe Kenny and Geestman are/were covering for somebody else, they nutured and trained? (3) What was Kenny's secret Lyle says Kenny had, if Lyle and everyone else already knew Kenny was gay? And if the secret was not the DB Cooper hijacking, then what was it - if there was a secret at all and this is not just one more facet of a 'script' Lyle himself dreamed up? - to be continued -

Cooper was putting on his chute in front of Hancock and Tina even before the plane left the ground at SEA. That is in their testimony (in the files) according to agents - He had already requested the rear door be unlocked with stairs out - Ckret posted about this here at DZ. Its in the thread.