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The heater will partially block/affect the air flow. May be an issue, may not. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

How strong a press do you need for the stainless slider grommets? Not that I'm rich enough to buy the dies. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Stop corrupting the newbie. Never mind. He's okay to talk to. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I'm not crazy enough to change the class 7 needle with motor running. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

There are several riggers around. I'm a master rigger and FAA Designated Rigger Examiner with back seat chest and lap ratings. I'm down the road in Portage. I can take care of you. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You should have sent it back. It truly may be junk. Or not. If you didn't by it as a take your luck wet canopy then you did not get a good deal. A good deal would have been $100. Riggers didn't want to do it either because their newbies and never have or their old farts and think you should never have bought it and want nothing to do with it. Woolite is no longer the woolite of the 40 years ago. It now is no different from many other complex detergents. Use simple soap. Ivory flakes if you can find them but I believe they have been discontinued. Just grate up bar ivory soap. Don't think you've said whether it's ZP or F-111. F-111 will be toast for the most part if you wash it. Although I washed a 1978 1.5 ounce main in a clothes washer. (Don't do it and don't even ask. But at the time it was appropriate and did work) ZP I'd hang it by the tail and use a wash cloth to spot clean it, even if the spot is the entire sthink, insiide and out. See why riggers didn't want to do it? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Why? I don't shut them off now. That's my form of base jumping. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You bought the selco? and no issues? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Might finally get off my butt and get one or two. Consew rep Doug at symposium said to get CS1000. Is there ANY difference between these two? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/231123271698?lpid=82 sold as consew. and http://www.ebay.com/itm/SELCO-BRUSHLESS-SERVO-MOTOR-CS1000-FOR-INDUSTRIAL-SEWING-MACHINES-3-4HP-/181290213722?pt=BI_Sewing_Machines&hash=item2a35bd215a sold as Selco. Same damn picture. Or other recommended place to purchase. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Can you tell me where this is on the website? I can't find it. I actually think I do remember seeing this now. But I've dealt with V II's where it wouldn't work so well for so long didn't sink in. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

But I've seen someone come out the left side in a similar configuration (not Vector) that could tow if loaded first. I also saw someone do something weird with the bridle between the pin and the PC. IIRC they didn't know the velcro was there and were burying the bridle under the flap. The issue with the pin piercing the bridle is a real one. I've been trying to duplicate it on the ground. What I think is happening, pure speculation, is that the PC is pulling the bridle OVER the pin, not that the pin is being pushed through the bridle. Some rigs have more slack in the pin attachment tape than others and could allow the bridle to be pulled across the pin before loading the pin. I've tried using an FXC to pull the bridle fast enough to mimic the speed that the bridle is pulled in freefall by the PC but haven't had any luck in piercing the bridle. The Vector III pin protector lends itself to the bottom method more than the older pin protector. But in my pessimistic, cynical mind I still worry that newer folks don't know all the bad things that can happen that us old farts learned about around the campfire, and in the air. And that includes why the velcro is on the bridle in the first place. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Okay, I freely admit I didn't know they added that. And I'll leave my original post in place to show my lack of knowledge of this change. BUT, the reason for doing it the original way remains. IF you know enough to not to pack the bridle wrong under the flaps this works. But it bypasses the velcro on the top flap that was supposed to be the guarantee that you had enough slack in the bridle past the pin. And to me the added alternative isn't explained well enough. It assumes that the user knows what not to do if using this method while the original method is described in detail. I have seen people pack similar to the alternative method but in a way that could tow the PC. Of course the original method can also tow if the velcro on the bridle is ignored. I recently found out a long time jumper and Vector owner didn't know why that velcro was there. To someone that has to ask about it, I'd still recommend the original method. Now time to slink back to bed with the flu. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

see following posts for folks correcting me. And my response that one must still be careful to not pack a PC in tow. The way displayed in your photo is NOT right. There is velcro on the bridle that should mate with the velcro on the top main flap (if original PC, if not it should be added at the CORRECT position). Follow the method on the short pdf above and in the manual. When routed from above and the velcro is mated correctly it assures that the pin is loaded before the bridle that continues into the bag. The way you have it if the bridle below the pin is packed tightly into the container it could be loaded first instead of the pin and cause a PC in tow. The velcro should be mated to also ensure there is enough slack in the bridle to load and pull the pin before the rest of the bridle is loaded. ignore this rant. See posts below The way you have it may work for 100's of jumps. But there is a reason it's supposed to be the other way. Any packer who packs it as in your photograph is doing it wrong and should be handed the manual. While other methods MAY work some of the time, or even all of the time, it's not their place to hand you something that is not done according to the manual. If I was a packer and you asked me to pack it that way I'd say find someone else. There ARE rigs where the method in the photo is the method in the manual. But Vector is not one of them. One method does not apply to all rigs. You should set down with your rig, the manual, and if needed an experienced rigger to explain these things and for you to understand your own rig. I say an experienced rigger because these nuances of mains, bridles and things are not necessarily something that a new senior rigger would learn at a short course. Those of us that were around for the bad old days of twisted belly bands, misrouted bridles, straight pins, bungee closing loops and all sorts of things that caused PC's in tow know these things are important. I was just discussing last night with a RW world champion from 1975 how newbies don't know there gear and how a packer might not know how to pack his pull-out PC. But I very surprised that someone working as a packer doesn't know how to pack a Vector. Or thinks he/she knows better. BTW you can turn the bridle over so that the window is visible and still follow the manual. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

If you rent a bike that you don't have the skill or experience you just won't go very fast and you might break the bike or fall and scrap yourself. Skydiving rigs vary in performance to the point that you may be able to jump one rig just fine and kill yourself under another. The comparison is a kids go art to a formula 1 racer. And I'm only just slightly exaggerating. Most skydiving fatalities, or a lot of them, happen under fully open and functioning parachutes. In addition these are life critical/life support devices. Most people won't hand them over to a stranger. You title is sharing. It tough for even two people to share one rig. People would have rental only rigs and these would be of older design/more wear and not desirable to experience d jumper. In addition most drop zones already have rental rigs available. I don't see it. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

No but loaded 1.3 it may break your back when it stalls. Let me know how that works out for you. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Damn shame isn't it that worn out crap (NOT necessarily this rig but maybe) gets peddled to newbies. Noobs need to remember that skydivers represent all types of people, even the bad ones. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

True for PD but so as not to confuse the newbie there are older reserves that fly different (Ravens) and that are truly obsolete designs. (Swifts) Newbie buyers should consult a couple of people other than the seller. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Missed that. Must be Vector II. To OP. Vector II's are fine rigs. I own three. But they are not suitable for all types of current skydiving. If it doesn't have a BOC already some else may have decided it wasn't worth updating. Sounds like someone trying to dump an old out of date rig. Also probably doesn't have an RSL unless it's been added. At that time they were not standard on Vectors and the maker didn't believe in them. . I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Sparky, Of course you realize that he doesn't have a clue what a cheapo is. He thinks it's the vector three rig above. To OP a cheapo is a military surplus round canopy that cost a few dollars. Of course now they are a few hundred dollars. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

NO NO NO! Your not going to ruin a great memory. Like this.

Austrian, speaking English, in a female. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

If loaded right I don't have any issue with the Tempo. I have one or two. But you DO NOT want a PD 190 main for your first canopy. That is made from what we call F-111 (actually a brand name no longer made anymore and better referred to as 0-3 cfm (cubic feet per minute) fabric). F-111 wears out and by the time they have 600-800 jumps they are done. They do not fly like zero porosity (zp) canopies, either older or newer designs. ZP canopies kept out of the sun can and do routinely last 1500-2000 jumps or more. Others will disagree with me. And I have F-111 type canopies that I jump. But I started on rounds and have jumped lots of F-111 canopies. Best example is I have is a used to have a 280 sq. ft student type F-111 canopy and a 190 ZP canopy (I have lots of metal in one leg) When I wanted a guaranteed soft landing I grabbed the 190 zp. Pretty much only old farts, demo jumpers, or really, really poor folks jump F-111 canopies. I fit into the old fart category. But the F-111 canopy is NOT my only canopy. It's my 3rd or 4th rig. IF the PD 190 was big enough and not wore out it can be a first canopy. But when you moved to something else it would be a ZP canopy and you'd have a bigger learning curve. Too many ZP canopies out there you can start with. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

It isn't like new. Every pack job adds wear to the fabric and increases the permeability. Not saying it's bad. I have older Raven's in some of my rigs. But it is an older design, no longer available and doesn't fly like many newer reserves. IF someone knows how to fly Ravens/had them as mains then design is no issue. PD reserves that go in for testing do not test like new. They usually are returned with 5 or 10 more pack jobs. Part of what lets us get away with F-111 type reserves that are sometimes smaller is the fact they are much like new and are still nearer to 0-3 cfm. I've got lots of old gear too. But it doesn't last forever. If an 86 reserve had been kept in date for 27 years it's probably getting tired. That's why I worked for awhile on getting a field porosity tester. No much support from my colleagues at PIA so I dropped it. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Thanks, just what I needed.

Can someone send me photos of the stitch pattern on the lateral of a Wings with hip rings? And a view edge of the junction? I need to know what factory looks like to compare to a rig that a customer wants me to work on and I don't have a Wings handy. Question is whether what he has is factory. Thanks. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE