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John, My answer was to was the feds would take as data that other than the OEM pilot chute would work in a rig. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

How else is he going to make his boat payment? Out of state in ILL they wanted cash. I could still fight it but cash acted as bond to make sure I showed up or it got payed. I was resigned to the cop hauling me in but he told me to keep looking. He got paid partly in nickles dimes and quarters off the floor. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Drop tests. Impractical And if an incident the manufacturer will throw the rigger under the bus. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

But the TSO standard is in no way a quality control standard either of manufacture, component assembly compatibility, packing, wear or any of the other things that can effect performance like body position (towing over the shoulder on your back). Its best described as a design confirmation program. There is a quality control manual required that assures some minimum consistency of articles. But the TSO program really asks CAN the test article(s) meet the required test standard, not WILL all individual items or all combinations. Doesn't mean that any individual article the will meet requirements either as tested and certainly not under conditions not tested. What isn't tested? Almost everything. Certainly most of the sizes and nearly all of the size combinations of rig and canopy are not tested. Neither is routing the PC bridle over your shoulder on your back. There was absolutely no reason for that PC to be expected to extract the bag. I would argue that a rigger is not certifying that the rig would pass the TSO standards even under perfect conditions. Almost certainly that combination wasn't tested, obviously that particular set wasn't tested, and probably not even those sizes of canopy and container individually were ever tested. We're certifying that we followed the instructions, that as best we know with the information provided by the manufacturers that this combination should work. BTW that information is very minimal. About ten years ago when writing PIA TS-135 the French government was that insisting rig manufacturers list ever reserve/size that could be put in a particular model rig. Even this wasn't practical or possible because of the "mystery bulk" issue. Or better said the volume variation (up to 10%) in both canopies and containers. One set of gear with the canopy at the small side and the container at the large side may fit fine. Those same models/sizes at the reversed ends of the ranges (small rig and big canopy) may not fit. Of course testing all the combinations is not even imaginable. Think about it. Only a couple of canopy sizes are tested, only a couple of containers, and if at all only one size combination at each end. You could almost be surprised when a rig does work. Is this what we want to know or believe? No. But it's reality. Should riggers say no to more of the rigs? Probably. Will the rigger down the road do it? Sure. Maybe you shouldn't have given that seminar on how to put 10 pounds of shit in a five pound bag. . I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

None of the things you've tried have much chance slowing it down. Its opening the way its supposed to and the way I want my canopies to open. Changing slider is you best bet. masterrigger on here is one person that can help if you local rigger can't. A bigger slider, a slider pocket, or a dome slider may help. If you want soft openings the.surest bet is a different model canopy. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

No. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I've never had less than two rigs and often 3 or 4. After the second one they were usually special, demo, CRW, etc. At one time I was jumping a 'normal' rig, a complete mirror image (left hand throw out and reversed RC and cutaway handles) and a ripcord round rig. I freely admit this was not ideal (dangerous) but worked for me. If they both get you down in most situations they can be as different or as similar as you want. Two different size canopies, different rigs different flight characteristics, one that opens in 300' instead of 800', all the options are open. Think about it, buy used gear for the second rig, and have fun. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

The PX-1 can be modified to do.the.appropriate measurement and Strong industries, at least at the.time used it for all of their testing. Also Al Macdonald now has one for recertifying canopies. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Contact Rust Vest at PD. He gave the seminar and my be willing to share or post on PD's site. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

The one used by Strong Enterprises is LT $700. Small and portable. In Australia you can rent one for $30A a week. Already used in other FAA applications. When I demonstrated one for the PIA Rigging committee nobody was interested. Discussion went like.... What would a field permeability test do for us? A customer wouldn't want to send a PD reserve in early based on a field test. And we have no basis for knowing what a good number is versus a bad number. Especially in relation to the instruments used by the manufacturers. And how long would it take to pay back the cost? When would we suggest doing a test and what could we charge? Don't get me wrong. As a rigging and tool geek I'd like to have one. But don't see how it would change what I do other than perhaps give me information to help retire reserves other than PD. But right now I'm not willing to spend $700 on one let alone $1500. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

It may be on the CD from the 2013 symposium but I don't have it handy. The line type videos at the following link show and discuss wear on various line types. Not what your looking for but more information. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL45E3B7998E49283E I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Nobody was/is ever forced to buy beer or anything else. I/we always as one of the many traditions of skydiving that formed the community. Go read United We Fall by Pat works for a taste of what the skydiving community used to be, and still is at some dropzones. Available free on line. You know if you wanted experienced folks to jump with it was nice to be.part of the family. And I've bought lots of "beer" since 1000 jumps. It's nice to share.

But you still have to make sure the policy will pay off on skydiving deaths, whether you've started or not. If they ask and you say no they may just not tell you about the exclusion for private aviation, skydiving, and motorcycle racing. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Whether you drink or not, whether you want to buy 'beer' (which can be cupcakes if you want..and it is a lot like bringing treats to grade school) by leaving when your done you are missing out on where most of the learning used to and still should take place. We couldn't go home and watch youtube videos by ourselves. We hung out at the DZ all WEEKEND and learned all we could from the old farts. If there was still more of that done we wouldn't have to keep correcting things like unstowed brake lines. God forbid you should be around for a safety meeting. The time sparky feels a sting from a 200 jump wonder I'LL BUY BEER. And to the OP, YES there is a Gold Wings Exemption. At least in my part of the world. But believe me we bought our share. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

And the short answer is no, the dacron lines used now are the same as always. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Hardness may have changed (as claimed) but didn't fix the loose tolerances. Drawings from APF. May be the same as on PIA. Haven't checked. Still a crappy design never intended for life safety. Manufacturer withdrew from supplying them when found out what they were used for. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Too bad your not forming an opinion from a position of knowledge. The "fixed" cutter has exactly the same geometry and tolerances of the original. Have drawings. No other cutter has a history of capturing loops. Reserves failing to open before impact is not related to the aad or the issue with the Argus cutter. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

What's a nubless toggle? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Wrong answer. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Find someone else to give you advice. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Looking at them isn't going to tell you a thing. Ask both sources if they are made to PIA-C-1200. And if they can provide a batch certificate. You can find lots of things that "look" the same. Are willing to trust someone's life to looks? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Opening,.stall.and flare characteristics are things you should discuss.with people.that.have jumped both. That is not necessarily your instructors. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Hardware wasn't and isn't produced under a TSO. Until they were cancelled in 1998 traditional hardware was produced under military specifications. Since then PIA has maintained, updated and sold specifications for traditional hardware and materials. Most of the major manufacturers as well as Natick and other military members attend PIA spec committee meetings 3 times a year and work very hard on all of these specs AND testing standards for hardware and materials. And oddly enough even though they are PIA specs under PIA control Natick still has to or gets to sign of on traditional specs revisions. Non-traditional hardware is produced under a PIA spec that gives general guidelines and testing procedure. PIA-H-7195B You'll see commercial hardware, 3 rings, etc. That's not to say that everyone uses spec hardware. This is one example of PIA members working very hard to maintain the quality and integrity of parachute supplies. And these are competitors working to maintain the industry. I've looked at the cobra hardware on hunting safety harnesses and it's interesting and seems well built. Does anyone know what industry or use it comes from initially? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

IIRC the rocket jet hardware was used to attach pilot harnesses to ejection seats like the Kock hardware. I have two short risers with rocket jets in the middle to use for intentional cutaways with a chest mount. I wouldn't have two much concern about rocket jets on the reserve but not TSO'd design. As a military contract item you could make a bad argument that they could be used but the rest of the structure not tested. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Send it to me. I was debating an answer. Btw got package. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE