Gravitymaster

Now that's some funny stuff, right there.

http://youtu.be/oSQJ2ULuhb8

This is just another part of the total pile of crap we are going to be treated to from now until the election. Just today they announced that unemployment claims were down. Problem is the State of California "forgot" to be included in the number.

I don't understand why you think my company is having problems. Perhaps you just need something to attack. We are fine, just not hiring and we won't be hiring anyone until there is some stabilization of government policies and until we can develop a clearer picture of what lies ahead. Most business owners I associate with feel the same way. We just aren't going to hire right now. We demand greater productivity from the employees we have. If they can't get the job done, we will find someone who can. Managing money is not running a business. My CPA manages my money, he doesn't tell me what business decisions to make.

Jamie Gorelick and Judy Woodruff are on their BOD. Yep, there's a source we can trust to tell the truth.

Although that works as chat room fodder, I seriously doubt that's what his plan is. Since his positions change on a daily basis, I doubt anyone knows what his plan is. Well, I guess we will just have to elect him to find out, won't we?

Your second question answers your first question. Why would business hire employees when they have figured out how to make just as much, or more money with less staff? If you haven't figured out how to do that in your business, I would suggest you stop spending this much time on the Internet and start focussing on your business. More blah, blah from another keyboard entrepenuer. Businesses are not just figuring out they can make money by doing nothing. What's happening is they aren't spending money to expand their business and don't need to hire anyone. I would suggest you actually start a business and gain some real world knowledge instead of relying on internet websites and theories before offering advice. I'm thinking about a wuffo who once read a book about skydiving.

Although that works as chat room fodder, I seriously doubt that's what his plan is.

Yeah, what businesses need is someone who's positions are stable, rock solid, unchanging! Someone like, um...Mitt Romney? He does flip around on social issues but he's pretty consistent on his economic plans. Certainly more acceptable to the business community than Obama.

Actually, someone did say that in post#2. Then someone else agreed with them and threw in an insult about people refusing to believe facts, while presenting none of their own.

Those were just 2 examples. For over 60 years, GDP averaged around 3.3%. The second quarter of this year it was about 1.3%. I would like to understand what basis someone has for calling this a recovered economy.

I'm selling a house next week for $125,000 that I gave $200,000 for six years ago. Are you telling me the economy has recovered and I shouldn't sell at this price? Personally, I'm not sure we will recover without a great deal of pain first. Claiming we have already recovered makes me wonder if we are even talking about the same subject. It's just the liberals way of redefining what's normal. If they can get you to accept that 8% unemployment is normal or that being under water in your mortgage is simply the result of an artificial housing bubble, then they can claim the economy has recovered.

Let me ask you something, Grimmie. Why do you think this has been a "jobless recovery"? The poor number of jobs created is unprecedented in our history. What "theory" would you say explains that? Why aren't businesses hiring? Corporate profits are at an all time high but yet so is the unemployment rate. Why do you think that is?

I take it you really enjoy posing your own hypotheticals and then answering them with your own theories. I'll just sit here while you entertain yourself.

No Grimmie, I have facts, I see them every day. You are the one with the speculation. How could you have anything else?

See, Andy, that was my point. You have never run anything. All of your knowledge comes from someone telling you how it is. You have absolutely no idea of what effect the loonyness of Obama's policies have on real world businesses. Perhaps if more people would lose their fear of failure and leave the comfort of that weekly paycheck, they would start to gain some real insightful knowledge instead of what's taught in the academic world. Did you run your business into the ground, and now you're mad at Obama? Is that what this is about? Sounds like you've got real problems. I like my weekly paycheck, thanks. Maybe the bank will give you another loan. Best of luck. See, there you go again, Andy. I am reminded of the wuffo who did one tandem and who sits in the bar telling everyone about what a risk taker he is. I haven't run anything into the ground. Had you taken some time to read what I have said instead of thinking up your next zinger, you would have had a better chance of understanding that I am saying businesses are afraid to expand and hire new people. What that means is that unemployment will continue to stay high and that means fewer people will be able to spend money. Spending money is what helps businesses expand, Andy. You can now go back to the safety of your 9-5 job and continue tell everyone how they should be running their businesses. But when your boss comes up to you one day and hands you that pink slip, I hope you will fondly recall our conversation. The over 11% of our population that is out of work or have just given up looking because nobody is hiring might help you see the fallacy of your perspective. Perhaps they will share a park bench with you.

Then you need to talk to Billvon and get his perspective. He has banned me and others for much less. Thin skin...that's a good one.

He's very erratic. Nobody knows what he will do next. From taxes to healthcare. Business people have to plan well in advance when setting pricing structures to make sure we have everything covered from gasoline, utilities, marketing costs, on and on. We rely on a certain degree of stability in the marketplace before we can decide what risks we can take on. When we don't know what our costs are going to be, it makes it difficult to plan. When our customers can't afford our products becasue they are afraid of losing their jobs, it disrupts the flow. When fuel costs are all over the place, it makes it difficult. When we don't know what the tax rates will be, it makes it difficult. So what we are all doing is waiting to see what's going to happen next. We are more content to just maintain what we have because the risk of expanding is too difficult to manage.

Nice personal attack. And from a moderator no less. I have been banned for much less. You already lost the discussion, you just haven't realized it yet.

See, Andy, that was my point. You have never run anything. All of your knowledge comes from someone telling you how it is. You have absolutely no idea of what effect the loonyness of Obama's policies have on real world businesses. Perhaps if more people would lose their fear of failure and leave the comfort of that weekly paycheck, they would start to gain some real insightful knowledge instead of what's taught in the academic world.

Nope, this is where you go back and read what I said about the economy never "recovering" and realize I wasn't talking about who was to blame. It's also where you come to terms with the fact that your zeal to defend Obama overtook your objectivity and then in an attempt to weasel out of your dilemma, you accuse me of what you just did. Now, try one more time. I said the economy would never recover. It's right there in the thread title. Nothing about who was to blame. Now, read the thread title and then read your response. Here it is for you. See the disconnect?

the natural flow at the time he entered office was down the toilet. And it wasn't much better in late 2000,early 2001 when a similar bubble burst. They book ended the Bush Presidency. Also, if businesses could decide that, how could so many of them fail in 2008? Bear, Wamu, Wachovia, Countrywide....no, it's the customers that decide how good or bad the economy is. Demand, not supply. Where do those consumers get their money from? From selling their Obama Phones of course... That Obama paid for out of his "stash".

How many businesses do you own, Andy? I don't mean manage, I mean making the day to day decisions on production. marketing, advertising, building your brand, hiring, evaluating your employee's, streamlining your business to maximize production, deaking with industry legislative issues, cash flow management etc. have you ever had to get an emergency loan from the bank just so you can meet payroll because you had too much money in accounts recievable?

the natural flow at the time he entered office was down the toilet. And it wasn't much better in late 2000,early 2001 when a similar bubble burst. They book ended the Bush Presidency. Also, if businesses could decide that, how could so many of them fail in 2008? Bear, Wamu, Wachovia, Countrywide....no, it's the customers that decide how good or bad the economy is. Demand, not supply. Where do those consumers get their money from?

Agreed on this statement (to the poster who wrote it). The only thing that will change will be who claims credit for it (and IMO neither can). Ian You might want to read and understand what I am saying before proceeding. I never said Obama was responsible for the collapse. try starting there and then working your way forward.