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You have reinforced everything I am trying to say. You are straight, how do you know what it is like to have your sexuality criminalized? You are making the same type of argument I am, just from the other angle. If you thought I was secretly gay I wouldn't have issue with it. You would be wrong, but I wouldn't have an issue with it. Just like I could assume you were in the closet based on your viewpoint. The liberal conservative tennis match is a fun game to play. I have my opinion and I am comfortable with that. I think it is funny, I guess I am a conservative, but I am pro-choice, up to 20 weeks. I think that is a fair compromise. And knowing what I know about anatomy and biology as a medic, a legitimate compromise. I am also 100% pro business. And, as having been involved in the family company, and my own, we as business people tend to conserve, recycle, and not pollute like the liberals think we do because it impacts the bottom line. Waste and pollution are expensive. I don't care if they use profanity or nudity. If a parent don't want the kids watching it, it is the parents responsibility to not allow it. I want a flat tax, I don't believe in government run education, you get knocked up, you damn well better be able to afford to pay the kids way through school. Sure I don't mind helping out a bit, but I don't want to raise the kid on taxpayers backs. You go on welfare, you pass a drug test, get sterilized, and work on highway crews or some other public service to help offset the burden on the taxpayers. I want big ass fences on the borders, I want illegals sent home, I want to stop sending cash overseas to ungrateful nations, I want to drill for oil...lots of it. I want nuke plants, hydro power, solar and wind and tidal. I want coal plants too. I want veterans to never be homeless, I want affordable medical care, but not mandatory medical care. I want doctors to stop having to pay half million a year in malpractice insurance because a bunch of asshole lawyers need to make money. I want drug companies to charge a fair price for meds, I want holistic medicine to come back to the forefront of treatment. But I understand that modern medicine is still relevant. I want products to be made in the USA, I want people to have to show ID to vote, I want any one to be able to marry anyone they want, and I want to be able to speak my mind freely if I chose. I want society to start accepting responsibility for its actions, and not to blame society for the actions of an individual. I want to eradicate radical islam from the planet, I want people to practice whatever religion they want without prosecution. Providing they don't kill in the name of that religion. I want groups like the boy scouts to have the freedom to deny entry into the group because they don't agree with a lifestyle. And not to be sued and forced into doing it. It is not discrimination, it is a private club. Gays can form the Gay Scouts of America if they want. The BSA folded to public opinion and pressure, and that was wrong. They should never have been put in that position. Just like if a Catholic Hospital doesn't want to be forced into providing abortions and birth control coverage, they shouldn't have to. But guess what, Obamacare mandates they do. BUT if you are Muslim, you don't have to get obamacare. See forced on one group, but not the other. Liberals started the Censorship board. Democrats started the KKK. Liberals fight against capital punishment, yet demand abortion. See, the whole thing, the idea behind separation of political views, sexuality etc. is a load of bullshit. One person cannot be lumped into any one group. And I always have people getting on my airplane and telling me I am doing something wrong. They are called skydivers! I think you and I are really reading the same book here, just not on the same page. As far as the You must be anti gay if you are straight comment, that was a comment directed towards the people who think that, not directed at you in particular. I am done, going to bed. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Me too! Really? I feel lucky as shit. I was also born in America to parents who loved me. I ain't got no complaints. If you think we are the most persecuted group on the planet, you need to get out more. I don't feel lucky. I earned everything I have. And I was actually trying to prove a point. Not actually spell out a particular issue. Think about it though. Can you go walk into Walmart and call a black guy the N word and get away with it? Nope. Can you tell a black guy to their face or on the internet that they deserve to die because they are black? Nope. But, if you are black you can walk around walmart and call me a "crazy ass cracka" you can tell me "your gonna die cracka" etc etc etc. Or you can go on twitter and threaten Zimmermans life, and the life of white people and never get a single visit from the authorities. You as a white man cannot go on the internet and say anything derogatory, lest you get locked up. Hell a kid in WV wears an NRA t shirt and they lock him up. It's bullshit and you know it. And apparently, you cannot offer an opposing viewpoint of homosexuals when you are heterosexual without getting everyone's panties all up in a twist either. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

How do you know that me, as an individual, have never been faced with having to make difficult choices before? That is very closed minded. Have you ever had to make a choice about which child you rescue from a burning building? Or which person you do CPR on when there are two of them and and only one of you? To say that only gays have tough things to face in their life is a crock of BS and you know it. You are going to sit here and tell me that you have lived through all of my decisions? Decisions that only I can imagine? Unlike some people apparently, I actually do have an open mind. Can the gay posters on here understand that there are actually other viewpoints in this world that may disagree with theirs and those other viewpoints, whether right or not, warrant discussion and hold legitimate value, much as their viewpoint does? And I never said I know more, you are trying to put words in my mouth. I just said that there are many sides to a discussion. If the gay posters on here cannot accept that others have a legitimate alternative view to theirs, then they are the hypocrites. Not me. I am enjoying an open minded, legitimate discussion, and not reverting to name calling or childish behavior. Just merely attempting to get others to understand that their view isn't the only acceptable view. Apparently having an opposing viewpoint is no good? Sounds awful liberal/democrat to me. Conservatives don't like guns, we don't buy one, liberals don't like guns, no one should be allowed to have one. Conservatives don't like a TV show, we change the channel, liberals don't like a show, they demand it be removed from the air. If you are straight, you MUST be anti-gay. If you are straight you can never understand the gay viewpoint. Does that make sense? Or do people like me, who aren't gay, deserve to get the school yard bullshit routine like skinnay thinks is okay? Oh skinnay, go piss up a rope. I don't need your bullshit. If you are going to feed the sterotype by calling names and behaving like a child, then you are no better than the psycho Westboro Baptist Church freaks. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

You should make late night infomercials to take donations that help these poor poor first-world heterosexual white males. Really? That is what you come back with? Is that what you took away from that statement? And y'all think I am close minded? Let's start slinging shit...yeah if that works for you, knock yourself out. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

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What does it make you if you are "born gay" and chose to only sleep with members of the opposite sex? A hypocrite? Or??? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

is your rebuttal that you need 100% proof? That's always an out, but not an honest one. You can choose to deny evolution that way as well. I don't deny evolution in the least bit, quite support it on the contrary. Probably more than most do. I was using my desire for someone to show me 100% proof as an example of the ridiculousness of a purely one sided opinion. many genetic driven characteristics persist despite no reproductive path. Take the growing prevalence of Down's. I think that you will find that the increase in the prevalence of Down's may have something to do with the age of the mother. There is a very strong correlation in the data that shows when the mother is over 35 years old, the occurrence is far greater. "The CDC estimates that about 1 of every 691 babies born in the United States each year is born with Down syndrome.[8] Each year about 6,000 babies in the United States are born with this condition. Approximately 95% of these are trisomy 21. Maternal age influences the chances of conceiving a baby with Down syndrome. At maternal age 20 to 24, the probability is one in 1562; at age 35 to 39 the probability is one in 214, and above age 45 the probability is one in 19." While not the only reason, there is strong correlation to maternal age. Now, that having been said, when the population grows, the chances go up, and with couples making the choice to conceive later in life, this is a risk factor. Edit to clarify, While about 80% of babies born with Down's are born to mothers under age 35, it doesn't take many to be born to older moms, to skew the data. I would bet that a fair number of those are lost to miscarriage as well. Mutations or recessive genes are two methods. The fact that a certain number of homosexuals conceive children is another. This is high school biology level - the people doing the research are at a substantially higher level. Their research will not be dismissed by a trivial "but they don't have babies so they must go extinct" level of science. If the theory that homosexuals have no choice in their orientation, then why would any of them reproduce? Don't they make the choice to mate with a member of the opposite sex? If you believe there are certainly physical forms that are strongly associated with gay men (say twinks or bears), that's another endorsement of generic characteristics. The argument that homosexuality can only be attributed to one cause is the point that I was trying to make. Simply put, some people think that sexual PREFERENCE is ONLY a choice. Some people think that homosexuality is ONLY nature and those that are homosexual have NO choice in the matter. I think that any extreme is a bad thing. I concede that while my belief is that is that homosexuality is largely based on nurture and individual choice, I agree that the possibility exists that genetics MIGHT play a part in that persons desires. Whereas, by the sounds of things in this thread, it appears that no one is willing to entertain another possible view point about what determines someones sexuality. It seems it is either the gay way or the wrong way. it's the intellectual inconsistencies and laziness that people can't resist. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

I'd love to see some evidence of that http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13576500600761056#.UdN7GZxlW0Y http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511576744&cid=CBO9780511576744A013 While genetic science is not perfect, it supports a vast majority of the current scientific hypotheses. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Show me a gene that is indisputable that PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a gene that allows people to train themselves to be ambidextrous. There isn't. Because it is a choice. It is simple muscle memory. However, handedness can be traced to a variety of factors ranging from genealogy to positioning of the fetus in-utero during the third trimester. There is science that backs that. I am not disputing the fact that nature may play a role in sexuality. I am just not sure the science is sound. Show me the science, and I will change my opinion. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Show me the science that is undisputed that PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a gene that makes a person homosexual. Prove to me that homosexuality is defined by our inherent nature, when by the very science of DNA cannot be passed down by two gay men who cannot reproduce without outside influence. You are born left handed or right handed by nature. You can train your body to be ambidextrous. I am right handed by nature, I can fly with both hands, by CHOICE. Does that make me right handed or left handed? Wow, y'all love to attack someone who doesn't agree with you huh? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

I did, I moved to an area of lower crime. BUT, I cannot control the behavior of others. However, I can control the outcome of that behavior when it involves me. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Sorry billvon >And I actually, morally, don't believe that gays should be denied anything that >straight people have, it never should have gone as far as it did. I supported Prop 8 . . . You're contradicting yourself here. That's like saying "I support private gun ownership, and I also support banning guns in California." mistype, scratch that, reverse it. I supported the overturning of Prop 8. My bad. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Do you equally hate all of those christians with their bumper stickers, and their "1 man plus 1 woman = marriage" stickers. And what about those fish emblems? Those uppity christians drawing attention to themselves. Damn them!!! Where did I say I hated them for this behavior? Might not agree with it, but never once did I say I hated them did I? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

How do you not get this? You chose to be straight because women were appealing and men weren't. So gay guys chose to be gay because men were appealing and women weren't. Are you seeing the issue here? How many times do I have to say I don't have an issue with it???? Just because it wasn't my choice, and I don't agree with some peoples opinion about it, you are creating an issue that doesn't exist. THIS is precisely what I am talking about, some people making an issue out of something that isn't there. WTF are you talking about? I was pointing out that your argument that being gay is a choice is complete bollocks, nothing else (in the post you just replied to). You said you chose to be straight because the idea of playing the pink oboe wasn't appealing. So how do you figure that it was a choice? Can you focus on replying directly to that, or are you going to veer off on a tengent again? I will attempt to focus a little bit tighter for you. Try to follow me on this one. For example: I have a drive to protect my home and my family. It is my nature. However, when some scumbag breaks into my house, I make a CHOICE to kill the sum bitch or simply detain him. If I had no control over my NATURE, then I would, like an animal, destroy the person who is threatening me. However, we are human, we have the choice to do things or not do things. I chose to wipe my ass after I shit. I chose to not kill people that piss me off. I chose to be straight, when I have the option to be gay if I wanted to. Just because I chose when I was young, doesn't mean I might not change my mind someday right? It is my opinion that being gay is a choice. Obviously your opinion is that it is not a choice, but predetermined by birth right? Well, that is your opinion, and I disagree with it, but I respect it. So respect my opinion. By telling me my opinion is wrong, you are the one who is close minded and bigoted. I only said that it was my opinion, never that it was right. You are wrong for telling me my opinion is wrong. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

And what does that second paragraph have to do with the first? You say you don't have any problem with gay people, but you criticise gay people for pushing back against discrimination not the straight people who want to stop gays from having the same rights they do. It's a bad case of mixed messages. Holy crap man... The point I am trying to make is that it never should have been an issue to begin with. Same sex couples never should have been denied any rights. It never should have needed to go to a court of law. It never should have required any legislation. And I want you to read this definition. "In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate. In taking this position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance." Learn what it means. And open your mind to other potential positions on a topic. Keeping an open mind goes both ways... (pun intended ) Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

How do you not get this? You chose to be straight because women were appealing and men weren't. So gay guys chose to be gay because men were appealing and women weren't. Are you seeing the issue here? How many times do I have to say I don't have an issue with it???? Just because it wasn't my choice, and I don't agree with some peoples opinion about it, you are creating an issue that doesn't exist. THIS is precisely what I am talking about, some people making an issue out of something that isn't there. You are TRYING to make an issue of nothing. You are guilty of the very thing you are trying to accuse me of. You are attacking me for my opinion and choices. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

I don't think those terms are acceptable in my morality. But, when it is okay for one group to use a term, and not the opposing group, that is when I have a problem. And no, and employer cannot fire someone for a belief that person has. Only if that belief interferes with the person ability to perform their assigned job function. For example, an employer can fire someone for being against abortion if that person works for an abortion clinic. But not if that person sells cars. An employer cannot fire me for joining the NRA. Nor can that same employer fire you for joining the USPA. I think we agree more than disagree. Just looking at it from different angles. Freedom is a bitch, 2nd amendment guarantees me the right to keep and bear arms. Yet, the government in many states and on the federal level are trying to take those rights away. How do you compare the right of same sex couples to marry different from that? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

You guys all have to understand that I am NOT against same sex marriage. I am against the constant bullshit legislation and bureaucracy that is going on. Everyone is entitled to their own belief and to follow a chosen moral code. And the folks, like the homosexual community, has to recognize this fact. Just because someone doesn't like what you do, doesn't make him or her a bad person. And that is how they feel. Look at some of the replies to some of my posts. I am a middle aged, married, straight, childless, white man. I am persecuted more than any other group on this planet. Because it is all our fault. No matter what bad happens it is our fault. We cling to our guns, and our bibles, we are racists, bigots, homophobes, rednecks, we suppress all other groups, we hold all the land, we have all the money.... We, as a group (white straight males) are constantly on guard for fear of being labeled. We get turned down for jobs in the name of affirmative action (I did, in spite of perfect scores, got passed over for NYPD and FDNY) we get accused of behaviors that we don't exhibit. We are racist for not voting for Obummer. We are anti-women for not supporting late term abortions, we are anti-minorities for not wanting our hard earned cash to go to welfare suckers, we are racist for wanting photo ID to be shown at the voting booth. Enough is enough. I am, right now, preparing to defend myself and my wife. Less than 100 miles away a man is on trial for 2nd degree murder. A fat, out of shape half latino/half white man shot a 17 year old kid when that kid was pounding his head into the concrete. IF that verdict comes back not guilty, the African American community is going to riot, loot, burn, and kill in the name of Trevon Martin. It will make the Rodney King riots look like a sunday in the park. So, I have to arm myself, my wife and stock pile supplies for the very high probability that chaos and anarchy will erupt as a result of this event. And as a result, I will be labeled a racist. As I was called today in Wally world while buying ammo and groceries. Three kids wearing hoodies were shouting slurs at me, "Crazy ass cracka", "Redneck hillbilly", "You gonna die soon cracka". Now, I calmly carried on, in spite of the 15 minute barrage of profanities from these youngsters. What should I have done in that instance? Exactly what I did. Nothing. Because if I did something, I would have been accused of a hate crime. So to all of you criticizing me, settle down, and look at another persons point of view with an open mind. Because if you don't, you are just as much a bigot as you think I might be. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

So if my employer doesn't agree with me being in the NRA, does that give that employer the right to fire me? What if I am too old? Can he fire me then too? No they can't. But they do. Freedom of speech so long as it is politically correct right? And you say it is okay to use derogatory terms like these, when you know it is not accepted in polite society or in the world of political correctness. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

That is provably untrue. In fact: You just proved it. How about you go away, take a few deep breaths, and come back when you can talk in a straight line, eh? Umm, what? Your bedroom behavior is nobody's business but your own. No one needs to know my bedroom behavior. And my pointing out that some people don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle has to do with what again in regards to my opinion? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Nasty? They're just words. You should get over yourself, you little drama queen! So is it okay then to call them names or use racial slurs? Or are those "words" off limits? Which words are okay and which aren't? Are the words themselves the issue or who is saying them? Is it okay then to call them "Fag" and them to call me "disgusting breeder"? After all, they are just words right? You appear to think the answer is no. So why isn't the word 'marriage' important? And hey, just for shits and giggles, if it isn't important then why do you care that they now have it? Read what I wrote, I don't actually care, just playing devils advocate. And the answer is no. Words do matter, you just proved my point. The word marriage is not important to me, but apparently it is to the homosexual community. The lawmakers could have given them all the benefits of marriage and it would not have been enough if they couldn't use the word too. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

When did you choose to be straight? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY It is my opinion, nothing more. Is it not okay for me to have an opinion? Does it make me a bigot to have this opinion? Personally, I guess I chose to be straight when I started chasing girls in school. The option was there, I was propositioned, I declined. I chose to sleep with women. And, for a while there, I chose to sleep with as many as I could! (I wasn't all that successful though! LOL) If you are, when did you chose to be gay? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

Nasty? They're just words. You should get over yourself, you little drama queen! So is it okay then to call them names or use racial slurs? Or are those "words" off limits? Which words are okay and which aren't? Are the words themselves the issue or who is saying them? Is it okay then to call them "Fag" and them to call me "disgusting breeder"? After all, they are just words right? Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider

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Here is your savior in all his glory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U Personally I don't care about what the gays do. I'm not gay. However, what I do care about is their demand for special treatment. 1 or 2 of them face some kind of criticism or some type of perceived persecution and suddenly it is a global propaganda event. NO one cares who the heck you screw. Live life like a normal productive member of society and no one will care what you do in your bedroom. Why are the gays making such a big friggin deal out of this? Just so they can call their version of a civil union a marriage? It is just a f**king word!!!! Get over yourselves. Everyone on earth is entitled to an opinion. Some people don't agree with your lifestyle. So you call them bigots and homophobes and other nasty names. You call it freedom of speech. When a straight person calls a gay man a fag, then it is a hate speech. Or if a gay guy kills a straight guy, normal crime. Straight guy kills gay guy, hate crime. Media sensation. You can't have equality while demanding special treatment. Then it is not equality. Civil union not a cool enough word for you? It is just a damn word, what f**king difference does it make? Get over yourselves. Your savior Obummer just flipped flopped for you. Proud of him? He is either lying now or was lying then. Which is it? Was he lying before he was spying on you or after? I got a question. Would the homosexual community be offended if I demanded that I, as a straight person, be included in all their special events? Demanded that a "Straight Pride Parade" be held? Or, heaven forbid, a White Pride Month, or Straight Pride Month? Or Straight Awareness education be mandatory in schools? I repeat: You cannot have "equality" when demanding any form of special treatment. Airline Transport Pilot, Multi-Engine Land, DHC-8 Commercial Multi-Engine Sea, Single Engine Land Private Glider