Coreece

Hypocrisy. If someone went to a foreign country made up of little brown people dominate in catholicism and said how much they hated it - the left would call them "hater" and encourage them to be more diverse and understanding of others. If someone went to a city that happened to have a gay pride rally and said how much they hated it - the left would call them "Trans or Homo phobic" and encourage them to be more diverse and understanding of others. You find yourself in a country that is predominantly Christian and it suddenly becomes "forced down the throats of succeeding generations or have it crammed in our faces from every direction." Or, Gowlerk says "Snowflake Christians" but, no one encourages him to be more diverse and understanding of others. The billboards made me do it. "What is very odd is that I have a couple of friends whom I value intensely and trust beyond measure who are firm believers." "But, I have friends who are black?" Fist Bump. . .

Hey, don't forget - No Guns too! Well if you looked at the photo in the CNN link that inspired that bit of satire, you would've seen what it might look like: Not sure what that'll evolve to look like in 30-100 years from now tho, use your imagination. But whatever, good luck with that whole wet dream about Christianity and Islam dying! Don't underestimate Islam's commitment to science - that was one of the selling points atheist Bolos used to make an Alliance with Muslims to fight the Church and win the Russian civil war - and then when they were through using them for their own selfish means, they just killed them or sent them to the gulags along with Christians and anyone else standing in their way of "progress." I don't think Muslims we'll be making THAT mistake again.

And it would've stayed that way if you just let your beliefs stand on their own authority rather than going on about how it's unimaginable for parents to instill values because of Santa Claus and all your other unnecessary slights. How about you stop lying to children about how he's not real and educate them on the back ground of Nicholas of Myra - you might find it enlightening. I mean after all, how could possible instill any values if you just feed your children a bunch of half truths their whole life? Ya right, Gowlerk was the one started talking about the level of mass murder & war throughout history, and then he suddenly didn't want to talk about it any more when he saw the direction wasn't going in his favor. And what it really showed is that Atheists throughout history were exceedingly more efficient at mass murder and in a much smaller time frame of just several decades - they're grossly over-represented when it comes to their share of killing. And really it just demonstrates what could happen when atheistic sentiments of hate and bloodthirsty desire for progress are aloud to abound and go unchallenged. As I've said before, it's not like the Soviets just woke of one day and said hey let's kill tens of millions of Christians and tens of millions of other people that are standing in our way of "progress." It was more subtle than that in the beginning and started out with a gross over-reaching of the separation of Church and State where religion was viewed as an opiate of the masses and should be eradicated from society in a relatively non-violent manner, but when that didn't work they resorted to more drastic measures that led to one of the most horrific periods in modern history. So ya, that's another thing Atheists should teach their children so as not to repeat these atrocities in future generations, rather than more biased half-truths about religion.

That's exactly it. He's not singling out christmas - at least not any of the christian aspects of it. If you feel he has been bashing your religion it is because you have chosen to identify with drunks, drug addicts and violent abusers.  He's singling out those that celebrate Christmas as if they're to blame for enabling these types people to kill others. So what, where supposed to just stop and celebrate like Nigel? I mean how is that going to stop those same drunks, drug addicts and violent abusers? And even if all the drinking/drugging did stop, all the traveling alone would naturally give rise to more traffic fatalities. So the solution there could be autonomous vehicles working in unison, not Nigel and his traditions, or becoming a shut-in. Jakee, I think you know that I appreciate your grasp on logic and relatively unique way of looking at certain issues, but I'm just not following this one - and I don't really feel inclined to rehash all that stuff from my 20s in an attempt to understand the angle you're coming from here.

Can you point to the thread of where I said that? I don’t get results on the search function and I’m sure that ‘if’ I said it it would have been in context. I get the feeling not long ago you threw out that another poster expressed that sentiment. Ya there were a number of quotes from several posters that shared that sentiment, but that specific quote was your direct contribution and you appear to agree with it. Now if you're saying that's not what you meant, then there are certainly better ways to communicate that, like not speaking in the first person, or simply using quotation marks. https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/266794-40-tonnes-of-f-you/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-4874307 "It is one thing to celebrate videos of death and destruction and rationalise that it’s ok because ‘you’re the good guys’ and a totally different thing to be ok with the ending of a philosophy. I can’t wait for Christianity and Islam to die, that does not mean I wish for a single Christian or Muslim to die.  Personally I think Coreece is performing some mental gymnastics to equate the two." And btw, I don't believe I was trying to equate the two. This is pretty remarkable, because I haven't been reading scripture as much as I should be - and for whatever reason (probably because of Ron and this thread) I decided to read again on the 26th. I love proverbs and there are 31 - at least one for everyday of the month. Given it was the 26th, I started with proverbs 26 and immediately thought of this thread when I read that. One of the things that crossed my mind is if I'm deceiving anyone? I certainly don't think I have, nor did I deliberately intend to. So let me ask, how have I deceived you? Do you feel deceived? If so, how so?

And maybe you should get used to this following you around SC every time you post horseshit and then claim it wasn't so: Coreece said: "They're too disorganized and divided among themselves right now to pose much of a threat. Eventually they'll get their act together when Christianity in this country has tempered to a whisper where they can finally hear themselves think. It'll be a country of Nones, with no God, no jobs and no power - and their long awaited atheistic utopia will be competing with 3 billion Christians and 3 billion Muslims that have just completed their state of the art industrialized metropolises throughout the entire eastern world - and soon thereafter they'll realize their god of evolution and progress has betrayed them." That's the weird, baseless, made-up silliness you've been brainwashed to believe. Maybe if you are left to read it a hundred times you'll realize that what you believe can not be true. Nigel is not only sincere he is very thoughtful. Instead of accepting Jesus, why not accept the good example? Ya, it's part of another game we like to play here in the SC called "Death To Christianity!" - and that's my response those in this forum that go on about sticking it to the Christians by taxing churches and banning them from congress. Nigel said "He can't wait for Christianity and Islam to die" - how thoughtful, hey? What is he going to do, go up to some muslim and say "hey, I'm a good example, follow me - btw, I can't wait for your religion to die!" I also meant to add "no guns," as well. Here's the graph/article from another thread that originally inspired that bit of satire: https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/living/pew-study-religion/index.html

I brought this up several times already. Apparently Nigel feels that his celebrations with his family and friends are a safe alternative to Christmas, but see below: But that too is cause for celebration where people will be traveling rather extensively and drinking or drugging opiates and their psychotropic anti-depression medication, so I'm not sure why you're singling out Christmas. New Year's Eve is a big one as well, so if you're out traveling around or hosting whatever festivities you choose throughout the year, it's rather hypocritical to blame everyone else for enabling the tragedies that are inherent in any mass celebration. 

No problems with that. Perhaps you should stop mocking the people who are. And if Nigel is sincere about how "life should be treasured and valued, regardless of race, creed or culture," and that his "only hope is that by our (atheists) example, we can show (theists) that it is possible to live and make sense of a world without god," then maybe it's in his best interest to let his traditions stand on their own merit rather than bashing those of other's he's trying to impress. But if he still wants to continue playing this game, then I'm happy to oblige as demonstrated in post #3 of this thread.

Again, I never said that I was just joking, but there were jokes. I mean I certainly don't identify with the Clark Griswold type and I don't really think that children of atheistic parents and are going to grow up to resent the sun, lol - but apparently it all struck a nerve and cut deeper than I even thought - and it's like "OMG he's making fun of an atheist for bashing Christmas, how do we ever get him back! I know, let's write a poem and say he's materialistic and only cares about food and presents, that'll show him!" Especially the part where I expressed that I don't really have a problem with how Nigel celebrates and think it's great how they're teaching his partner's 3-year-old daughter about nature and how things work. I'm in a very similar situation myself and we have over 500,000 acres of private and national forests, multiple lakes, rivers and great lakes and long sandy beaches with giant waxing gibbouses and beautiful sunrises. We're very in-tuned with nature and depend on it both physically and spiritually everyday. . . . . .So no that's not my problem with Nigel and you know that. My problem is with his chronic hatred for anything religious. Perhaps your bias blinds you from it, and perhaps by bias amplifies it, but it certainly exists even if you want to minimize the part where he explicitly stated his intent was to bash other's. I mean, if he was really sincere about his family traditions, why not just let them stand on their own merit rather than defining them based on what he doesn't believe and going on about how it's unimaginable how one can instill values in their children because of Santa Claus and how those that celebrate such traditions are to blame for all the tragedies that are inherent in any type of country-wide celebration? That period of about 10 years of my life during my 20s and 30s is certainly a bit more complicated than that, so no, you don't remember correctly - you can't even remember correctly things I've just said in this thread.

Indeed we did. We do not celebrate that trillion dollars; we tend to celebrate each other. (And try to get the grandparents to stop buying so many toys for the kids.)  Ya, just like 99% of other families that contributed to that trillion dollars. And I can assure you I'm not in the 1%.

You sound angry.

Because atheists are no good at industry, and only Christians are "state of the art?" Conservative Christians push progressive technological development to create new industry, and live in industrialized metropolises, while liberal atheists want to return to an agrarian, less technological "utopia?" Holy cow that's a bizarre view. I can't imagine how much cognitive dissonance you have to maintain to believe that. Meh, prophecy was never an exact science. . .

That is not nearly representative of the whole. You're just creating a stereotype and instilling fear for a political end. If a conservative did that for any other group you'd be flipping out calling them racist, xenophobic, mysoginyst, whatever. This is why it's becoming pointless to talk with you. If we take the time to explain something, you just believe what you want anyway. Ron said neutralize, not vaporize, lol - relax. At this point I'm just more comfortable with a slightly right leaning division of power primarily because with conservatives I kind of know what to expect, whether I agree with it or not. That's a bridge we can cross when the time comes to implement conservative legislation. There are also many democrat social programs that I strongly support and can advocate for those as needed. I was raised in a working class democrat household, but that's no longer the case. I support many democrat ideals, and tho I've tried over the last few years, I just can't bring myself to trust anything democrats say - and I can understand why you could feel the same way toward republicans. I can't honestly say that I will be voting for Trump, but it's likely I won't be voting democrat this coming year - however, one thing that I know for sure is that I don't want either party having complete control of the legislative and executive branches - that could be absolutely devastating at this point in time.

Ah yes, the whole "which group killed the most" game - another dz.com favorite that we get to play 2-3 times a year. I think the last time was with Nigel back in July. Yes, various religions killed in the name of their god, but it many instances the reasons extended well beyond any religious dogma like money, power, control, resources - the usual, much like with atheists. And while the vast majority of killings by atheists weren't necessarily in the name of atheism, it did happen - take The League of Millitant Atheists for example. But to my point, some estimates show atheists killing nearly 140 million people over the last 100 years throughout Eastern Europe and Asia, most of which likely occurred over the span of several decades, so in that regard, they certainly seem to be more efficient at killing than any religious group has ever demonstrated - and given the very small population of atheists throughout history, they're certainly grossly over-represented when it comes to their share of mass murders.

And you have a pro-religious sentiment and you express it regularly. No problems with either point of view. But when he does it it makes you really, really angry for some reason. Sometimes it's anger, sometimes it's just frustration, sometimes it's just the way I talk. Other times objective posts don't really receive much of response so being a bit provocative helps get the thread going. I'm not really here to talk to myself - I can do that anytime. Regardless, anger is a natural human response and there's plenty of it in here to go around. I thought you were materialistic because you were celebrating the trillion dollars spent on Christmas I could be wrong, but you and your family most likely received some nice gifts this year that contributed to that trillion dollar figure, but I wouldn't label you as materialistic for it.

No, just that this pipe dream of some atheistic utopia is just that. But I know some people find it rather cathartic, so that's cool.

He did not. You just chose to see an attack when what was being opened was a conversation on starting a new tradition.  Again, if this thread was strictly about starting a new tradition then we wouldn't be doing this right now, but nigels history and subsequent posts stating that his intent was to bash Christmas prove otherwise. I don't mind if people were bothered by it. Like I said, nigel and you guys are having your fun in this thread and I'm having mine. Nonsense. That's just the religious arrogance of thinking that belief is the only way to have a wider appreciation of the world. noun: materialism 1. a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values. But whatever, it wouldn't be the first time the left changed the meaning of definitions to suit their purpose.

Well he attacked everyone for how they're raising their family. My point really was how it can all end the same no matter what you do or how you celebrate.

Yes, one can be serious in a humorous way. If you want to take that whole thing about Clark Griswold so seriously, that's on you. And then you want to call me the materialist because of it, but in reality, you guys don't want anything to do with spirituality, which by definition is a large part of being materialistic.

They're too disorganized and divided among themselves right now to pose much of a threat. Eventually they'll get their act together when Christianity in this country has tempered to a whisper where they can finally hear themselves think. It'll be a country of Nones, with no God, no jobs and no power - and their long awaited atheistic utopia will be competing with 3 billion Christians and 3 billion Muslims that have just completed their state of the art industrialized metropolises throughout the entire eastern world - and soon thereafter they'll realize their god of evolution and progress has betrayed them.

So this is what you really think? This is you being serious? So, if you're completely secure in the truth of wht you are saying right now, why did you have to lie earlier in the thread by saying you were only joking? People don't tend to be that embarrassed by their own posts unless they know they've gone way overboard. Poking fun, joking what's the difference? And I wasn't saying that I was only joking, just that you guys can't handle the taste of your own medicine - especially when given in higher dosage. Nor am I ashamed to feed it to someone that harbors so much anti-religious hatred.

Haven't you guys realized yet that your tactics have been rendered useless and ineffective. You need a new game plan, and with quickness.

Nah, I can't relate to that just as I can't relate to being a pagan even though I enjoy some pagan elements of Christmas - so a lot of the non-sense you spew from your yacht in the Caribbean is just meaningless to me.

But that too is cause for celebration where people will be traveling rather extensively and drinking or drugging opiates and their psychotropic anti-depression medication, so I'm not sure why you're singling out Christmas. New Year's Eve is a big one as well, so if you're out traveling around or hosting whatever festivities you choose throughout the year, it's rather hypocritical to blame everyone else for enabling the tragedies that are inherent in any mass celebration. Lol, rubbish. If by polite you mean passive aggressive, then I might agree with you. Maybe Nigel has fooled you, but I remember quite clearly his anti-religious sentiment shared throughout this past year that then extended into this thread. I had him pegged right down to the exact coordinate as shown in subsequent posts where he explicitly admitted his intent was to bash Christmas and then go with with his ignorant and false presumptions of me. Here's an idea, if you don't want people poking funof your beliefs, then don't start a thread bashing someone else's. It's almost as if his beliefs are defined by his hatred for Christianity. Like I said, if this was solely about how he celebrates the holiday with his family, then we wouldn't be doing this right now. Look at Ron's thread where he expressed his beliefs without attacking anyone, but then is immediately met with posts about guns and racism and how "everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on who they can feel better than at any time they please" - how ironic.

But celebrating Archaic/Ancient Roman traditions some of which even date back to neolithic/bronze ages really isn't anything different, nor does it represent change. Nigel is one of the nastiest haters here when it comes to Christianity. He wants to celebrate pagan traditions, but only those that aren't typically associated with Christmas - and I suppose that's fine, but it doesn't really say much when you have to start a thread bashing another's beliefs just to make yours seem "cooler" - and then get all uptight when someone starts poking back, giving you a taste of your own medicine. Ya, that's an easy one to miss. Throughout the year we go to the beach and celebrate 4 days of the Waxing/Wanning Gibbous. As an uneducated and ignorant Christian incapable of grasping rocket science, I always stand in awe of how the Canadians manage to launch such a celestial being over Lake Huron into the night sky. They also have the best fireworks: