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What I said: Meaning it could be a selfish act for theists. Hopefully if someone is willing to die for a cause it's because they believe in it that deeply versus just thinking they will receive some afterlife reward. my bad...apologies. ...but than would you also agree that it could be a selfish act for an athiest and a selfless act for a theist? I guess somtimes ojectivitity gets us nowhere. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

The original question was about athiests risking their lives for others... Bolas said it would be a selfless act for athiests and a selfish act for thiests. you gave a side note that basically said athiests are more apt to survive becasue thiests believe there is a better place waiting for them. I was basically saying that perhaps athiests survive because God still had yet to performed an act of saving grace. These of course are all subjective comments... The only objective comments on this matter were you listing instances where athiests did in fact risk their lives for others and my comment on how it has more to do with genetics and brain chemistry rather than religion. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Careful, now, you're straying dangerously close to Rhys territory... I had a feeling you were gonna comment on this...I thought it woulda been more along the lines of "it would be wise to heed to your own advice" ....and I probably would've agreed. but c'mon, he basically created his own unconvincing argument, attributed it to me, called it unconvincing and stuck his tongue out at me... I was referring to the ""emoticon...I hate those stupid things! My relationship to them are similar to Happy Gilmore and the clown in the last hole of minature golf Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

John 10:29: My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I think all face doubt thoughout their Christian life, but there is always something in scripture that can comfort them... I understand your point but scripture and that "personal revelation" you referred to is very powerful. I don't see anything wrong with that... That's fine, but ultimately evangelism is solely about explaining scripture...either you accept it or reject it. There is no need to try and convince anyone of anything because people don't have that power...If we did, we'd boast saying it was "I" and not God. 1 Corinthians 1:21-25: For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:28-29: God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. John 6:37: All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Far be it from me to ever present an argument that would actually convince somebody to believe that they could actually find God on their own...that would actually be antithetical to Christianity...I like you alot, but your ignorance on this subjuect troubles me... Did you miss the point completely? Who are you trying to impress? It'd be best you stick that tongue back in lest it be cutt off... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

aflac gives you cash...that's the same as money. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

When I was living in Canyon Country, I attended Grace Community Church in Sun Valley...There I heard the story of John and Nora Romanoski from Brigham City, Utah, missionaries to the Mormons... They had two beautilful daughters and decided to come on down for summer vacation and enroll their oldest daughter into the Master's Seminary. (located at Grace Community Church) They also brought along two foreign exchange students from Italy (not Christain) for evangelical purposes. They left the college after registration and John pulled through a red light onto Sierra Hwy and was struck by a truck at full speed. His two daughters were thrown from the car and killed instantly...lying in the street. People would ask the question...this is a missionary? Why would God let this happen to a faithful missionary, giving his life to reach Mormons with the gospel. I will never forget his answer and it was the first thing I remembered as I read your post... “First I thought maybe this was a dream and it didn't happen. Maybe this just...I'm going to wake up and it will all be okay. But I know that's not true. I brought my family down here because I wanted my daughters to have a big church experience. Our church is very small. I wanted them to hear a big choir. I just didn't think that the big church would be the glorified saints and the choir would be the heavenly choir....I know my girls knew Christ and they're in His presence. I'm so thankful he took them and spared those two unconverted boys." EDIT The two Italian boys survived their injuries at Henry Mayo Hospital... I would just like to add that this is one of the most profound statements of faith I've ever heard. It shows Gods love for all..."He imparts numerous advantages, blessings, and tokens of His kindness on both the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matt. 5:45). These statements humble me and help keep me on track...I believe all Christians should display such faith and humility...and show love and respect to those who disagree with our beliefs..for we have all been there. It is to my shame that I say some of the things I say in my posts and my ungodly references that only display my fleshy ignorance and desires... I apologize to all those I have offended... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQ_aTjXObs ...and as always...listen till the very end... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

I think it has more to do with genetics and brain chemistry...not religion. Some are born to run toward danger, while others are born to run away from it...I think both are equally necessary. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Well then, perhaps you could enlighten me? And while you're at it...since you initially brought it up, could I respectfully ask you to provide a case for free will as you understand it? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Armageddon... "I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place...this zoo...this prison...this reality, whatever you call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink...and everytime i do I fear that I have somehow been infected by it...It's repulsive!" Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

That's pretty nice of you...to bad this wasn't a debate forum. I'm sure you're aware of all the garbage info building up and floating around internet video forums...It's no wonder people are still confused. ...but oh well, I suppose it's for the best. $$$ Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Oh...now you change your words to messing with free will...what ever happened to overriding free will? Perhaps at this point it may be more appropriate to start a new thread about the Sovereignty of God, predestination, Human responsility, fatalistic determinism and/or all the other philosophic/scientific viewpoints on this subject and we could debate it ad nauseam....you'd probably even be able to get in a bunch of cheap shots too! I wouldn't actually want to do this, but perhaps God would mess around with my free will and convince me to jump though your hulla hoops. perhaps not...But I think the important part was that His time has not come. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have pudding if you don't eat your meat?!?! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Ya, it's humans being humans, but if God willed for someone to be protected from the humans, I don't necessarily think that He'd have to override their free will to do so...but if He wanted to, I suppose He could. (not that He makes a habit of it.) Furthermore, I don't know how God protects people and I can't predict what a person wills to do. Perhaps this verse is relevant: John 7:30 At this they tried to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him, because his time had not yet come. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

WOW...Just WOW!!!! My heart is pounding, my palms are sweating, I feel as though my head is gonna explode! I don't even know where to begin... It's like throwing peas at a wall!!! I'm far to emotional to respond accurately to this right now and I think it's gonna take some superior linguistic skills like those from the UK to put a dent in this one... I think i'm gonna go puke now... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Barvo! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

See...damm it! This is what happens with these laws... First you give law enforcement more authority and a license for racial profiling..Strike One! - Fastball right down the middle... Then they take baseball away from the fans (eventhough they mean well)...Strike two! - Curve ball, I don't think he was ready for that one. Then other States start to follow suit like Michigan and the law REALLY becomes less of a color issue and soon we're ALL subject to random searches...Strike three, You're out! - Change up...That one gets him everytime. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

ya...Doug is a little soft, now that you mention it. ...sorry. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

well then...how bout we settle this with a poker match instead...I'm all in. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

baseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

baseball already respects and honors the negro leagues. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

LMAO...what are they making cars now instead of cheap electronic entertainment units?!?! Personally, I like Samsung...they've made alot of rednecks happy! .....Free Speech for the Dumb first lyrics start at 1:17-1:33...and Quade, I don't wanna hear any comments about repetetive choruses! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

I try to respect everybody...even if I don't get it right the first few times. ...but especially to those who served. plus you never know...perhaps if we showed respect even if it wasn't necessarilly deserved, maybe they would've became a respectably person. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

I was projecting an incident that has nothing to do with you or this thread...you are not the problem. I apologize. no, and I'll admit that my statement about letting them be judged by their REAL peers is perhaps one of the most irresponsible and carless remarks I've ever made. Your's and Jakee's inquiry helped to to remember an incident that I completely forgot...While I was incarcerated there was a pedophile that was being harassed...nothing violent but extremely degrading. I even laughed at some of the things the inmates were doing to him. Part of me felt that he deserved it...but later that night in bed while reading the Bible I had an overwhelming sense of compassion for the man and I wept bitterly. I wept for his pain, I wept for laughing at him, I wept for having pitty on him and how the victim and his parents would've responded to my pity...I wept for my confusion, and I wept for the victim. I prayed that God would comfort and protect him...the next day he was transferred out of the general population, where he shouldn't have been in the first place. Though I don't think it's just fine when other prisoners beat, rape, or kill certain prisoners, I believe that threat may serve as a deterrent, but I have no evidence or research to support that. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...