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And just because you AGREE with the idea of it, doesn't give you the right to try to legislate for it. The legislation you're talking about is Proposition 8. It is legislation banning same-sex marriage. There was no corresponding legislation proposed that would have required same-sex marriage. Thus, only one group here is trying to legislate anything, and it's the group that's trying to deny others the right to enjoy the same rights that they avail themselves of. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Where have I said that gays, that want to be seen as legal couples, should not be seen the same under any law? Ooooooh, you mean the same, but with a different name. How is that the same again? And if it's the same, why not call it marriage? Back at you, why does it need/have to be? Because neither gays nor straight people should be able to tell the others what they can or can't call their relationship. Because if a gay couple calling their relationship a marriage is an attack on the sanctity of identical relationships between straight couples (an odd argument I don't understand), it follows that forbidding such nomenclature is an attack on the sanctity of gay "civil unions". Because if the word is allowed to matter to you, it should also be allowed to matter to gay people. If you think "marriage" is a religious term, how do you justify the government making laws on who may or may not participate in it? Do you also believe there should be laws regarding baptism? Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

So you think that Congres should make law against a religious belief. A law that prohibits gays from marrying is a law against a religious belief. A law that allowed gays to marry would be a law that allowed freedom of religion. Blues, Dave Hmm, intersesting point. Do you know of a church that agrees gays should be allowed to marry? Real question as I have not learned of one. Should they want to be married in such a church I would re look at my position. But to generally say gays should be allowed to marry as opposed to a civil union, genreally, I feel is an attack agains most religions that I am aware of. There's a minister in this video firmly in favor of marriage, regardless of the genders of the parties. The Alliance of Baptists "affirms" same-sex marriage, as does the United Church of Christ. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Neither a child nor an animal can legally enter into a binding contract. Marriage is a legally binding contract. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Well then we agree. Courts and congress should not make a law that says gays can be married. They can be joined under the eyes of the law however. Since being married has a religous meaning Thanks, we agree If you agree with him, than you also believe that a church that is willing to marry gays should be free to. A law saying they can't would be a law respecting an establishment of religion and abridging the free exercise thereof. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

So you think that Congres should make law against a religious belief. A law that prohibits gays from marrying is a law against a religious belief. A law that allowed gays to marry would be a law that allowed freedom of religion. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

The concept of marriage long predates the English language, and previously (and still) includes polygamous relationships that run counter to the Christian interpretation. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

What is best for *your* family is not necessarily what is best for another (gay) family. Also, Abraham and Kings David and Solomon (among others) might beg to differ with your monogamous definition of marriage. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I don't see what yore/your/you're problem is. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Are you talking about the attachment rings for a detachable slider? Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

If you'd like, I could also make a donation in your name to http://www.rif.org/. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Well, one of your other "lefty liberal" friends said thank you at the top of this thread, and he'd be happy to say "you're welcome" too, if that'd help make up for it. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

LOL! According to this article, the event came together Friday and the boy got to watch video of the sammiches being handed out Monday. Still, it's about as great an example as I've seen of someone making the best of one wish, and in honor of that, I'll happily run some sammiches by our local homeless shelter. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

My choices were on the premise in the OP that all cost the same. The Infinity would be my first choice, as I could only imagine one improvement. My second choice would be either a Vector or a Mirage...probably the latter if they've fixed the reserve PC aesthetics, but possibly the former...I'd have to try one on and take a closer look at the build. Prices being equal, I wouldn't be terribly interested in a Javelin...personal preference based on past experience. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I hope to have a Blackberry Storm in my hands in 8-12 days.

I hope to have a Blackberry Storm in my hands in 8-12 days.

I don't know much about their cars. The American trucks, SUVs, and mini-vans we drive at work are much improved in quality over what they were selling a decade ago, but still lacking somewhat in fit, finish, and reliability. When it's my dollars on the table, I still buy imports. My last 8 purchases have been three Toyotas, two Hondas, two Mazdas (quasi-Fords), and a Nissan...including two Toyota Tundras, the first competing with the Dakota and the current truck going head-to-head with the traditional half-tons. There are a few cars out now that I'd take a closer look at if I were in car-buying mode, but I'm not...a truck just suits my needs better. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

What he said, though I'd consider a Vector before committing to the Mirage. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

It's a fun role reversal from the workplace? Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I agree. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Nope. The people who voted to restrict others rights via Prop 8 will feel no more shame than those who elected GWB twice. They somehow put a disconnect between themselves and the results of their actions. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I doubt I'll get one, but if I did, I'd probably spend it on a Bushmaster ACR. Or I'd put it toward a new TV. One way or another, it'd get spent on a toy or in some irresponsible manner. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Dave...those of us who know you well already know the answer to that question Dammit, I'll take that as a vote for "nice guy". Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Yes. Well, that and decipher the pictures on a Waffle House menu. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)