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So where did Kallend falsely attribute an argument to Gawain and then refute it? Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I think there should be something in the middle. Setting him completely free seems inappropriate. Of course sending him to prison for the rest of his is also completely unacceptable. I'm down with a punishment fitting the crime. If you threw a shoe at me and missed, I wouldn't expect you to do more than a few days in jail (actually, I suspect the police would laugh at me for even reporting it). Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

You're right, the 4-runner isn't a truck, however it's always been the same engine/tranny/frame as the pickup/Tacoma. It's also true that you can't buy a Toyota 1-ton in America today. However they basically defined the "compact" truck market in the 70's and 80's, and their entrance into the half-ton market in the last couple of years has certainly made a bigger than expected splash. My Tundra will compete nicely with an F-150/1500 series truck by any measure, and it's absolutely more pleasant to drive. It also tows my trailer to and from the DZ with no problems. As for the bigger work trucks (as opposed to the "everyday" half tons), I suspect it's only a matter of time till they get something out there. I won't be upgrading to a 5th wheel until they do. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Are you honestly trying to argue that Toyotas aren't durable or are less durable than their GM/Ford/Chrysler counterparts? My co-worker two offices down from mine is currently selling his 1992 4-Runner with a bit over 300,000 miles on it (and still with the original engine). My best friend's Camry has a little over 250,000 miles on it. My mom's last 4-Runner had 185,000 miles on it and had only shit a fuel pump in those miles, till she traded it in on a new 4-Runner. My new Tundra (double cab 4WD limited) only has about 28,000 miles on it, but it replaced a 1st generation Tundra that I put 130,000 miles on without anything going wrong other than the antenna coming loose. That first Tundra replaced a 4-runner that I put about 85,000 miles on that did get an engine rebuild...on Toyota's dime due to a headgasket recall on a first model year engine. Both of my Tundra's were made in America. By contrast I drive "American" (aka Canadian/Mexican) trucks at work all the time, and their durability/reliability and general suckiness in fit/finish are the primary reasons I've had a Toyota truck in my driveway for the last 12ish years. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Post it on dz.com. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Find one instance where I said it was "inexcusable" Go ahead..find one. I am amazed people like you who opposed the war against SH, who was a violent dictator that gassed his own people, are supporting another violent act. Find one instance where I attributed the word "inexcusable" to you. Go ahead...find one. Your argument about deposing Hussein for gassing his own people would carry a bit more weight if we'd done so back in the 80's, you know, when he gassed his own people. We took an alternate approach, and it was working just fine. But then Bush decided more people (US and Iraqi) needed to die . . . and he got a shoe thrown at him in response. Oh, the humanity! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I've said previously that I wouldn't mind Obama being similarly insulted if he's similarly stupid. How in the world can people who approve of the war in Iraq deplore the throwing of a shoe at Bush? We've *killed* lots of people who were FAR more innocent than Bush. Yet somehow that deaths are "unfortunate collateral damage", while the shoe-throwing is "inexcusable". There are some seriously whacked-out people in this world. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I don't think you completely understand what a straw man fallacy is, because Kallend didn't make one. He may, however, be guilty of the fallacy of ignoratio elenchi. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

*rolls eyes* I guess Clinton's reasoning for *HIS* actions was because Saddam wouldn't let Bill into his rape cells to get a little, then. Clinton's objectives were the same as Bush Sr's...contain Saddam Hussein. Despite the success of his predecessors, Junior decided to spend a trillion dollars in the spilling of an awful lot of blood, for reasons yet unexplained. I suspect his motivation was at least in part based on a desire to "one up" his immediate predecessor and his dad. Whether or not he's been successful in that regard is a matter of opinion, and mine is that he's been a failure. Clinton and his dad were both better Presidents with better policies on Iraq. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

What if it had been a snowball or a water-balloon...would that also be a "violent act"? I think violence includes an intent to harm. In this case, I think he intended to insult Bush, not harm him. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

And I have also learned from watching TV & movies that cars often explode in mid-air after swerving off the road, before they have even hit anything. Just because a Pinto would do that didn't mean that other cars would. Great, now I've got that scene from the movie "Top Secret" looping in my head. (Luckily, I still think it's a funny scene from a hilarious movie). Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

While I disagree with our actions in Iraq, I'm not naive enough to think our motivation was a modern Crusade. The REAL reason we invaded Iraq was an unsuccessfully resolved Oedipus complex. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

With all the companies that were "reorganizing" so the could dip their hands in the coffers, I'm not the least bit surprised. People complain that it was lack of oversight that got us here, and now it's lack of oversight that turned a welfare program into a windfall. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

You look like a square, and what's with the red X tattooed on your face? Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Jesus christ that would be one hell of a wingloading! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

If you scroll up, you can find Turtle's post suggesting he's available . . . Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Drew Peterson, the ex-cop suspected of killing his twenty-three year old fourth wife and whose third wife's death has been ruled a homicide (unsolved), is engaged to what would be his fifth wife, another 23 year old. Maybe there's some merit to women's complaints that all the good guys are either taken or gay. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Wait you are actually suggesting that I'm gay because I actually listened (which is all it really would take) to the radio at one time or another in the 90s and have a good memory... I didn't say you were definitely gay, but I'd suggest that you might not want to "ask" the enlisted men at work whether they know Spice Girl lyrics, and you certainly wouldn't want to "tell" them you do. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Wow, that's amazing! How come I never read about this incident on dz.com?! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

You know how I know your gay?? I think you think i know how you think you know I'm gay. I've never heard a grown man quote the Spice Girls before. WTF? Not when he's straight. Nope - Not in this whole world is there a straight guy that would . . . In my opinion, a guy's orientation would have to be considered questionable for even knowing which part of the above is a quote of the Spice Girls. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

The best old school game show moment here Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Thinks the poster above them is the greatest. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Yep. Of course, I voted for Obama with hopes that he wouldn't be stupid enough to justify such a statement, but if he is, a bag of flaming dog-poo on the front porch of the White House would be hilarious. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

What she said...and a whole bunch of other replies in this thread are exactly why we need nipple boy (or at least a good imitation of him). Buncha candy-asses. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Holy fucking shit! [Marv Albert voice] YES!!! [/Marv Albert voice] Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)