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I've found it easier to just to get pre-approval on the loans. Call the bank, say "I'm thinking about buying a car. Can I get pre-approved for $30,000?" They say yes, ask me if I want a certificate thingamajig (not sure the purpose of those), and I'm good to go. If I decide on a car that's over my pre-approval amount, it's like 10 or 15 minutes to call them and ask them to bump it. Having gone through the whole sales process on the front-end, I find myself ready for beer by the time it gets to the back and have zero interest in working through the whole process again, even if it does piss off F&I to have to do the sales/registration paperwork for free. I understand what you're saying, and pretty much just agree that there's guilt on both sides of that equation. However, it's preferable for a worker to be paid for his frustration than for a customer to be paying for his frustration. I try to be respectful, and expect the same in return, but it's not always smooth as butter. It doesn't seem uncommon for salesmen to be jaded to the figures, dealing with such purchases several times a day. Most of us customers only wade into these waters every few years and it can be intimidating. I've never found car-buying to be enjoyable. There's an item I want, that I'm willing to pay for, and there's a guy who's going through that absurd "let me check with the desk" thing in hopes of separating me from as much of my money as possible. The only thing enjoyable about it is when it's over and I'm driving away in whatever it is I wanted. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I'm sure there are, I just don't know who they are. Since there are a few people on here who I have zero interest in ever meeting, I can understand if others feel the same way about me. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Your slow response made me lose a bet with myself. I figured that one would come out in the first 10 replies. And yes, the bet involved personal favo(u)rs. Sorry, I was too busy with the ATL crew last night. But I was telling stories of the Hollister Road Trip (specifically the Patron). So I was at least thinking of you and Roy. Did you tell the other stories too? If I'd won the bet, I was going to receive a hand-job from myself. Since I lost, I have to give a hand-job to myself. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

It looks like she's got gas. KIDDING! That's an awesome picture! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

You'll have to give me a little while to analyze the implications of that and formulate a proper response. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

When she was younger I often said that her mom may have given her a chromosome, but that all her genes obviously came from me. Thankfully for her, the resemblance has softened quite a bit in the last few years, but she's still unfortunate enough to have my nose. Luckily she got my brains and natural coolness to offset it. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Are you buying it retail? If not, the retail price isn't the correct column, as that includes detailing, dealer's costs, and dealer's profit margin. That said, the trade-in column isn't really fair in most cases either. Assuming it's what you want, and in great condition, I'd start half-way between trade-in and average retail, and show them how you arrived at your number. If they talk you up a little bit (not a lot), so be it. The Z4 is a fun little car! Edit to add: What is this talk about "down payment"? That suggests you are looking at a retail place, not a private seller. In either case, finance through your bank! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Yeah, I think so. Did I thank you for the related advice a couple of weeks ago? It ended up going about as well as I could reasonably expect. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

and short people get less short (to an extent at least). My little girl is growing up. And yes, she's still illegal so you horn dogs better keep your traps shut! Hey, MissKriss did it! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Those pictures are all good, but that last one is awesome! He looks like he just pulled a fast one on someone. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Some friend you are! Haven't you ever heard of intervention?! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

You're right, madjohn. I am the biggest loser ever. They should have included my name in the putz poll. I don't understand why I make the stupid, stupid choices I do, like the one listed above. Maybe I should hire an advisor.

Well that explains what's worse with you! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Your slow response made me lose a bet with myself. I figured that one would come out in the first 10 replies. And yes, the bet involved personal favo(u)rs. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Hah! I just posted about vertical not being one of the options. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

It depends on how you look at it! Hey, you're right. "Vertical" wasn't one of the options! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

OK, enough about my ADD already! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Judging by your avatar, should I assume you were one of the votes for "sideways" in the 69 thread? Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Has the story been revised? I thought she popped a toggle on her main and chopped it, then popped a toggle on her reserve and rode it in. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Are you sure you want to ask that question here? I just did. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Tell me now! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Same! The worst part is I kept clicking through the three of them wondering what the fuck was wrong with me! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

no, as in flexible. Flexible is good!

And while everyone's got their atlas out, look at which countries share a border with Iran and think about the military conflicts which have occurred over the last few years. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

How about if we ran it like our tax system. The "have" countries could donate a percentage of the nuclear weapons in their arsenal to the "have-not" countries, each according to their ability to pay. It's just possible that one fuckload of the people in the world would suddenly be nicer to each other. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)