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You've GOT to be kidding... Edited to add: Oh, and i voted 'whooped cream.' Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Can't we just scare away the new owners, after the check clears and thus get the old bonfire back?

Naaah..SC an't that bad.... I actually kinda' like it. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Dude, I could handle every picture but 3... Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Indeed, those are cool. What other stuff (design/craft wise) do you do?

The thing seems to get habitually lost... Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Martin, there's much I want to (and will) say in reply to your post, just not now though - I'm too tired to think. I can assure you though - you'll fit right in with this crowd... Matter of fact, maybe you should think about jumping; will probably get there before I do. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

[B]CONGRATZ ADAM!!!![/B] It is very encouraging and refreshing to read this I wish you endless years & jumps in the sport! Now...update your profile... ~Ralf Edited to add: Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

1 word - KaBLOUIE! Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

No, I'm not saying that at all; the kid's cognitive abilities are not being brought into question. What I meant was that the child may be confused in terms of sexual orientation, and what's right/wrong. . that right there tells me all i need to know about you And you call me judgmental?... Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Naturally, we all have a variety of opinions and views, especially on topics such as this - as such, we're not going to agree on everything - and that's ok. Furthermore, I was sharing my opinion, based on my standards, beliefs and life-observations; nothing more, nothing less... This is after all Speakers Corner. I'm not here to seek out argument or confrontation - that is simply not in my nature. Hence why I said that I have no problem with gays/lesbians, on top of: "lets agree to disagree" at the end of my post. It's interesting that if my views/opinions are not in accord to the majority I'm accused of forcing my way of life onto someone else - instead of merely being viewed as contributing to the discussion like the rest of you... Again, I have no problem with someone being gay/lesbian or bisexual; this will not determine whether or not I befriend or associate with someone. I may not agree with the lifestyle; I do think it's wrong, but I wont treat the person(s) differently. Having said that - I feel strongly about this couple in particular because I think they're just trying to push the envelope. I'll give the benefit of the doubt - there are many screwed up straight parents that have no business being parents; I don't know with 100% certainty that this kid will or will not come out alright because of whom he or she is being raised by. However, I provided reasons as to why I don't think this is a good idea/wrong. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

No, I'm not saying that at all; the kid's cognitive abilities are not being brought into question. What I meant was that the child may be confused in terms of sexual orientation, and what's right/wrong. Obviously there are people here who disagree with me (expected.) I simply don't think it's right or moral to raise a child in this kind of environment. I'd have to bring in numbers & statistics (I'll do so at a later time) to back my argument, however, it's safe to say that 9 of 10 would NOT opt to have a sex-change and have a baby on top of it; thus it is not the norm. Thus, no one should be subjected ti this kind of upbringing or the consequences that can result. Again, whether you believe in God or evolution - neither of these models indicate anything good and/or beneficial in terms of gays having children; if your pro God it's because it's simply immoral & wrong, whereas - again - evolution is based on the theory of natural selection; those traits that are not beneficial simply do not survive. No matter how you slice it, there is no benefit to raising a child via a gay couple. I can't make it any more clear than I already have. Note: I have no problem with gays/lesbians - just don't throw children into the mix. Take a look at Shermanator's thread - the article posted there states that the 2 people in question are being charged with a felony!; citing: "crime against nature" (hint, hint. ) Purely from a logical standpoint - if an animal is protected by law from questionable circumstances than why isn't a human provided the same rights and level of dignity in a likewise questionable environment.... In theory, no harm was being done to the dogs and I'm sure that the couple that has this baby likewise have no ill intension; but that's not to say that in both case the psyche is not affected. Frankly, I think some of you are looking for an argument and/or an opportunity to be rebellious; it's no secret that this is the nature of the beast in regards to the internet. I'm certain that in person there would not be such a willingness to discuss these types of matters. It is my hope that time would be spent on what bonds us together as a community, amongst various other things - rather than the pursuit of arguments. Lets just agree to disagree on the matter at hand. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

you guys make me laugh. Just wait until you're paying what we do in the Uk and Ireland for fuel then you really will have something to bitch about. Start hoping that it doesn't come to that - not for our sake but because of the fact that whatever we pay you pay double. Tried & true. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

You mean beyond the obvious? It's very obvious that this person has some deep, DEEP issue going on, as such, the type of values and beliefs that this child is raised with and has instilled in them is cause for concern. I'm not homophobic; if people want to have a partner of the same sex that's fine - however, don't screwup someone else's psyche due to your choices. Ask yourself, would you want these types of parents; or would you even let said couple babysit your son/daughter? This couple may indeed be happy, but at what cost? The kid is going to be confused throughout life to say the least. I wonder how the "birds & bees" talk would go in this family... Just because something is not as clearly defined as murder or rape doesn't make something not wrong; people are still effected very deeply by being brought-up in a home like this. The true result of which remains to be seen, as gay marriage has only been legal for a short amount of time. Whether you believe in God & creation, or natural selection byway of evolution - neither of these fit the above scenario into their model; a true indicator that it is just not healthy nor beneficial. I may be viewed as narrow-mined etc, etc.. quite frankly, I could care less; I am standing by and holding strong to my convictions and beliefs - something most people don't do these days and instead just sway with the wind. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

In any case, frankly I'm a bit taken back by so many people supporting said individual byway of: Blah, blah blah - yada, yada yada... Were talking about a women, with [apparently] a hefty case of penis envy getting a sex-change and giving birth to a child...... I for 1 find it sickening that something like this is even acceptable in society; we truly do live in a world with no absolute truth and lacking moral standards to say the least. Hell, there might as well be no standards at all. I really feel sorry for that child, for an obvious multitude of reasons I should not have to list. Common sense with a dash of logic says that said environment is simply not healthy - period! Everyone deserves a chance at a normal childhood; for generations growing up in a home with 1 form of physical and/or mental abuse is common place; as if that isn't enough - now we gotta add nutjobs with psychiatric problems wanting children to the list? Genius!... Such a scenario will only, very likely only continue the confusion in terms of sexual orientation, amongst other things. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

O.k., Um - wtf?... Why would a thread like this get moved? - there's nothing SC worthy in here. Ahhhhhhhhh....changes. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

There's no such thing as an 'unfortunate' beer event... Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Gig out on the left coast...then back to Italy for a few days. Can I become your packer (ya gotta teach me first ) and tag a long on these trips of yours?... I'll take that as a yes. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Gig out on the left coast...then back to Italy for a few days. Can I become your packer (ya gotta teach me first ) and tag a long on these trips of yours?... Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Have a great holiday, Jim!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-kings-county-hospital-080701-ht,0,4855676.story Edited to add: I'm running out of things that shock/surprise me in this world anymore. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Sherm... Just how did, and why did you find/look for this? Nevermind......I don't wanna know. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

LMFAO! Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

Congrats to both of you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, could have been, like i said at least i wasnt bored, those long flights are usually so freakin boring! I used to fly to and from Poland all the time - yeah, the long 10 hour flights were - boring but the fact that they'd serve free liquor and beer the entire flight made it that much better. Edited to add: Funny thing is I could drink & drink and & drink [this would only be the case on a plane] and be sober 9 times out of 10...then I discovered what drinking wine followed by vodka, or vise-versa does. Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of