Thanatos340

Whats that??

I Think all 4 of should get to play.

What did they sell to the consumer?? They sold a LIMITED right use the contents in a specific manner. Did you know that you do even have the RIGHT to play a CD in a Public place where others can hear it?? Even in a non-commercial venue?? This is true. You can Purchase that Right by paying a subscription to ASCAP or BMI. (IF you own or work in a bar or restaurant that plays music you will run into this sooner or later.) This had nothing to do with DMCA and has been in place long before. When you buy a CD you buy a right to listen to the music in certain Private places. That is it. You are granted the right to make a back up and even transfer it to other media. That is all you get for your $10 or $14 or $21 or how ever much you agree to pay for that CD. Why did Michael Jackson spend MILLIONS to buy the Beatles catalog many years ago?? He could have just bought the album collection for a whole lot less. Because he wanted the RIGHTS. Those RIGHTS did not come with just buying the Albums, Cassettes or CD`s.. Commercially available MP3 files (Sold over the internet) have additional restrictions. For 99 cents you get a file that has limited legal rights as to how it can be used. Another business model allows you to “Rent” the music 9Usually Unlimited downloads) for a set monthly fee. Once you quit paying the monthly fee, The songs quit working. DRM makes this possible. Don’t like that, DON’T BUY IT!! Want additional rights to do other things with that copywriten material.. That can be purchased. But it will cost more than 99 cents per song or $21 per CD. One last time (Last Time I swear..).. If you don’t agree to that, DONT BUY IT!! It is your choice. You don’t have to have that CD. OK.. Since I have really grown bored with this thread.. I will finally address your ”Fair Use”. Fair Use is convoluted and not easily defined and very subject to interpretation. (Which is why I suspect that you cannot come up with a single perceived RIGHT that you have lost). Scream Fair Use all you want. They (The publishers) offered you something at a certain price, You accepted that and paid that price. Now if you want something more.. I don’t see how you lost your “Rights”.

That will get you a number!!

I guess I am just too slow for alls you smart folks.. I dont see the contradiction. All along I was saying no one ever lost any rights in this matter. (I stand by that statement). I was just asking you to confirm that you do in fact still have your right (As you had just stated) and that no rights have actually been stolen as Dorbie claimed.

You are offering to Fluff Turtle?? Careful. Make sure you have another clean shirt handy. Turtles can sometimes have accidents.

So now you agree that you DO in fact still have that right?? That right was NOT stolen from you? And I believe that DSE has offered to show you how to easily (and Legally) exercise that right.

I give up. Some people will always think they have "RIGHTS" to things that other people went through great time and expense to create.

I am still waiting to hear what RIGHTS you lost?? Who is dancing here? Why can you answer this one simple question?? I have asked one simple question over and over again and you have completely ignored it or claimed you answered it (You havent). You pointed out how Educators such a kellend now have more difficulty exercising their rights.. But no where in any of your posts do I see where you mention ANY right that was stolen from YOU. Please tell me.. What Right was stolen from you?? You have to be specific for ignorant people like me you know.

Yep!! Hey Stich.. Come talk to this girl. (Harsh enough punishment for you??)

Just another friendly reminder.

Not True at all. We all have MANY rights that we lack the ability to exercise. In your particular case, DRM made it more difficult for you to exercise your RIGHTS as an educator.. But you did not loose the right. In fact you were specifically granted the "Right" to bypass DRM. That doesn’t mean that the creators are obligated to provide you with the tools to do so. To use your Example.. I do in fact have the right to Bear Arms But there are MANY restrictions on that right. When, Where and How I can exercise that right. Laws such as the Brady Bill severely limited that right and made it MUCH more difficult for me to exercise that right.. BUT I still have the right. Same as DRM in regards to you using copy written material in regards to your classroom. Now back to the original Point I was making.. Directed to Dorbie.. He claims he has had many rights stolen. I once again ask HIM to please state at least one RIGHT that he lost due to Mr. Valenti`s work. The truth is there not one.

Uhhh.. Dave.. Both these fighters are a few years younger than us... I certianly hope not.

I have the Right to Both Fire Arms AND Ammo.. However the manufacturers of those things are not required to GIVE them to me. In fact resent law (well within the past 20 years resent) has made it much more difficult for me to exercise those rights.. (Waiting periods, Background Checks) But I do still have the right. NO. But you were given the RIGHT to bypass the protections that they have applied. That doesn’t mean they have to give you the tools to do it. Are you a Control freak for locking the door to your Home?? NO!! You are just taking reasonable precautions to protect your property. The Police have a RIGHT to enter your Home under certain conditions.. Did you run around and give every police department a key so they can get in just incase those conditions are ever met and they want to get in??

I will take the other side of that bet. But Cash is waaaaay too boring for my tastes. What else you got??

Come on... I know you are smarter than that. You still have the RIGHT. No one ever lost any rights as Dobie claimed. In fact you were specifically GIVEN the right to reverse engineer and/or bypass the DRM for your purposes. (A Right you did not have before). YOU have a right to bypass their protections for certain uses. That doesn’t mean that the copyright holders should drop their pants and bend over for the rest of the world just to accommodate you. The bottom line is that Copyright holders MUST do whatever they can to protect their property. Anything else is irresponsible.

Kinda like the Heroic effort (and expense) someone went through to produce the thing in the first place. Sorry you were inconvenienced by their efforts to protect their property.

You still have that right as guaranteed under 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1). What you may now lack is the ability.. But you still have the right. Contact the copyright holder and ask them for a non-DRM protected copy for your use. (And BTW.. If you are using "Point Break" to illustrate Physics.. Those students are going to come out worse that GA Tech Engineers.. And I didn’t think that was Possible!!)

Looks like my plans may have changed for the weekend. POSSIBLY now going to make it to the Farm around Midnight Friday Night AND I may have finally weaseled my way out of the fight party in Atlanta. Make sure I got a Spot in the camper for the Fight (and anyone that is NOT interested in watching the Fight is NOT in the camper.)

The big difference here is when Banana Republic makes a shirt.. First they pay a Designer to design the shirt.. Then they pay a Company to manufacture the shirt, then they pay others to distribute the shirt. (And there is alot more that goes into this). They calculate how many shirts they expect to sell and set a price for the shirt. They hope to exceed the number of shirts sold to the point they make Profit. Profit is NOT evil. It is why they made the investment to begin with. With software and Music and Movies.. It is a Similar process only there is no Tangible item to sell. What is sold is a License/Limited right to use the Product. The person selling the intellectual product completely has the RIGHT (Its their product) to say how/when/where that intellectual property can be used by the person buying the right to use it. The customer can either choose to buy it (and accept the terms it is offered) or not. It is their choice. If they don’t like the terms.. DONT BUY IT!! Any responsible company will look for any and all way they can to protect their property. I sell Maintenance and Engineering Software for a living. We have put hundreds of thousands of dollars into developing that product every year. The business model we choose was to "License" the software by concurrent users. We hope to make a profit (More than it cost us to produce the software) off that. We give a Key (Sitekey) to each customer that limits how they can use the software. If someone were to break that Key and distribute it in any way, My Company would go out of business or at a minimum sufferer financially. To me, This is the same as DRM. The Record companies say for this price you get this (and only this). They take steps to try to enforce those rules. This pisses some people off. Fuck em. If they don’t like the terms, DONT BUY IT!!

Let me see if I fully understand you points. What you are saying is: I think that about sums it up.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Oscar 4 or 5 years ago against Mayweather just a couple years ago would have been a GREAT fight. There is little question in my mind that Oscar has alot more Ring smarts. I wouldnt totally count him out yet. If I were to place any Prop bets.. I would take Oscar KO7 and Oscar KO8 and hedge it with Mayweather UD. Even with both fighters past thier prime, This should still be a great fight. Any word on the undercard??

Who is getting the fight this weekend and Who is your Pick??

Sorry... I will be at "Grease".

If it is the Same Play I will be at on Friday... Absolutely.