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I wish I could afford cable so I could see it. Question what does sow mean - doesn't sound nice my being a country girl. MJOSPARKY is helping me get the pics on but I can't even send them to anyone except one at a time. A real dunce I am on this new computer - live too far in the boonies to get a class. There are pics I acquired after the documentaries were made that the Media has never had. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank You to everyone. Really having a time with this contraption - not at all like my old windows 98 with its kodax imaging system...used to be relative simple. Scanned the photos the other night and now I can't even find them - they come up in the oddest places. Will send the photos to the individual who sent me a private email - that is easier for me to download to with AOL and Epson. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank You. I still need for all 4 pics to be viewed at once. I don't know anything to do but take them somewhere and have someone put all 4 pics into one pic. Because I don't deal locally (small community), I will have to take them to a city about 40 miles away. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I just tried again with the photos. I can't get good quality on here and don't know how to get more than one photo in an attachment to the post. Help! With the final ones to post only one photo that you have to open and then go to another post and open the other one then you and I just get lost. I need to put 4 photos in a row to make my point. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Would some of you guys be so kind as to go the D.B. Cooper Unsolved thread and view the pictures I am trying to post. I haven't got the ones from 1960-1971 posted yet. As these would be the ones some of you might be able to help me with. When I saw Phoenix in you post - that was a red flag for me...to ask. Also looking in the area of Pyramid Lake - not sure what state - something I remembered him saying that didn't make any sense to me until I started my research. Please do not answer me on your wonderful thread, but do ALL of YOU be so kind as to send me by private email any information you might be able to provide me. Names he used John Williard, John Weber, John C. Collins, Claude Collins, Duane L Weber, Dwayne Webber and any variations of these. I am also trying to find a pilot or jumper by the name of Ed Hurand (not sure of the spelling, but sounds like). He had blue eyes and would have been born approx. from 1929 to 1934. From something in his conversation I got the impression he was a pilot. Thank you for allowing me to intrude. Jo Weber Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Sorry folks, I am doing this from a friends computer. The old puter crashd and now the new puter has crashed. I will be down for some time as we live in the boonies and it will have to be mailed off...even under warranty. Strange things are going one, but then I guess I am paranoid at this stage. My calling card which I have used to protect my phone number was giving my personal number on the peoples caller ID. (I do not have a long distance carrier). Then the next day I can't call any 800 numbers and then today Sun my new computer crashes. Beginning to sound like someone doesn't want me talking to other people on the phone or on the computer. I am sure it is just a series of coincidences, but with the eerie things going on in this search it makes one think twice. Just kidding, I hope.

Just got another one to open off the old disk. This is a collage the Composite with and without glasses and then below a black and white photo taken around 1979 along with another photo taken in 1988 - Note that Duane took extreme measures to grow a large crop of hair. Plus the one in 1988 presenting a plaque to one of our sales staff - he grew the mustach when Norjax came out in 1986 - I hate facial hair so it was not to please me or himself. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What I have posted are a few I had on a disk, but others I will have to rescan. I have a probem making this new machine do what I want it to do with pictures. I have a lot to get used to with this new contraption. It has Media XP - and refuses to give me my photos in the program I had - just won't open some of them. What I have sent you is not coming across in good quality or size. The photo with the composite in the avatar was made after I met him. The approx 25 and the prison approx 35 were sent by his bother after his death. Next will come the photos I acquired by happen chance from just prior to the crime in 1971 with dyed hair and one taken right after he was released from Jefferson City Prison in 1968 with salt and pepper hair. There will also be a picture of his wife of the times holding a pair of sunglasses - they match the composite dead no - why she sent me these photos before she died I will never know? I will not show anything but her arm and I turn the photo around so you can see the glasses right up. I will try to put a copy of the composite with the glasses all on one page. Give me time to do all of that - what it takes one of you to do in 10 minutes takes me hours. It will be at least a week. So bear with me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

1st attachment: This is a photo we believe was approx age 25. His brother sent me this photo - it was the first time I had ever seen Duane as young man. 2ed attachment: This is another photo sent by the brother and it appears to be a prison photo and that would make it either Folsom or SanQuentin in the 50's with an approx age of 35. His nose appears to have been broken and was not large in 1977 when I met him. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The aged composite was done only a few yrs ago. The projected aging was older (much older) than what Duane was in the Avatar. I don't know how others get their pics to be so clear --- under 10k is difficult and not clear, but everyone else's are clear. Can anyone offer me a suggestion about doing the photos. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank You to all of the moderators and the site administrator for the opportunity to finish this and to seek help thru this thread. I have spoke with contacts, made thru this forum. I appreciate the encouragement recieved from many of these individuals and their candid opinions by private email. If you wish to ask me questions or contact me regarding this thread regarding any information you feel might be pertinent to my search - post or private email - me I will answer you. The photos will be posted next wk if all goes OK with the computer guy - I hope all of you will feel it has been worth the wait and aggravation. Attached photo and the avatar show the FBI composite and a photo of Weber taken in 1979. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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The D.B. Cooper Unsolved Skyjack got moved to the Speakers Corner. It will never be found - lost among totally unrelated subject matter. Hope some of you come there anyway Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Looks like the thread got moved to something called Speakers Corner. I would never look for it in this location, but that is my opinion. Hope all of you, I doubt it. Really hated to see this - Just not a good category. History and Trivia would have been a more likely place. I would have hoped it would fall under a category that people would visit such as Skyjumping Trivia or at least a category that people would see it when coming to the site. Who would look in Speakers Corner NOT ME. But then again I guess that is my fault. Sorry Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote from French Dear Frenchy: Max Gunther wrote a fictional story - I spent many hours communicating with him by mail and by phone. We discussed many facets of his book. He used a lot of the information from the crime itself with a few mistakes. All and All it was a good book - from the factual stand point and the fictional stand point. From NorJax a book by Ralph Himmelsbach FBI agent: "when the hijacker learned that military models were being supplied, he demanded civilian chutes instead. (Apparenty the hijacker knew that military chutes of the type suggested open automatically after about 200 feet, where the models use by skydiver and acrobatic pilots allowed free fall as long as the jumper wante to wait before pulling the ripcord)." It was noted that Boeing Aircraft Company official conceded that the 727 had performed an air drop demonstration using boxes and that it worked quite well --- this was prior to the hijacking. ????? As I have said before that the FBI would later concede that the jump may have occured further SE due to the Vector of the plane. This would have made him landing somewhat below the area search around Lake Merwin. It would put him over an area from above Battleground to somewhere between Washougal and Vancouver. Take and make a triangle with those three locations ---?????? Hope this helps with your question. Jo Weber

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Quote: from airtwardo "I've jumped the jet myself and am obviously living proof that the parachute part of the 1971 skyjacking event is survivable and possible." Dear airtwardo, I am aware the jump has been done many times since and by service personnel, but what I am talking about is the weather. The books and some authorities claim that the weather conditions would have created a peril - yet, when the search planes were in the air at day break the next morning ---the weather was 43 on the ground and children were playing and adults fishing under a canopy by the lake. I have a copy of the weather report for the area for the time of the jump and I can't see were it would have been so bad. At the time of the jump- some clouding and rain, but ground visibility was good. Yet you will read reports from others claiming terrible winds. I will have to find that copy in my 8ft plus of research, but have not had a reason to use it until this conversation. It is also important that the public realize that the plane was NOT in the location they believed it to be. Because of the wind they had drifted off course SE putting the drop (the thud) right into the area Duane took me to in 1979. Another thing is his apparel. The FBI said he had on a suit and Mitchell, a college student sitting across from Cooper said he had something sticking out from under his pant (maybe thermal wear or a jump suit). Although not many of the accounts mention the black rain (top) coat - I assure you that he had that with him. Also the accounts by the press and "the FBI files" have never mentioned other pieces of apparel I know he always traveled with. This is the first time I believe I have stated this publically. Remember the old rubbers that snapped at the ankle worn to protect street shoes in rain and snow? If he was indeed wearing loafers as the authorities claim, would the rubbers have kept his shoes on. Frankly I believe that he stashed something on the plane in a prior flight he made on that same plane (this is only a theory). He spoke of working with a company cleaning planes at an airport althought with all of his aka's and SS's I have not been able to verify this. Thank you, Jo Weber Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote BELOW - Quotes from the basis of the thread: I am the widow of a man who claimed that he was Cooper 11 days before he died in 1995. I have been researching his past for 11 yrs now and I need the help of this forum to uncover his jump history. So far I have done everything for the FBI except put him in a parachute. The help of those who read this forum will be appreciated. I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it. All I want is to find information about sky jumping and any information I might be able to find about Duane Lorin Weber and any of his AKA's. If anyone is interested I will post photos of him on the forum from different areas of his life in hopes that someone knows an old timer who might recognize him. The old timers usually don't use computers so it will help me immensely if you guys would print the photos and take them to your meetings or anyplace that these old timers might be found. Perhaps there is a magazine for jumpers that might run some of the photos. Please help me in my search and once and for all to bury Cooper. Respectfully, Jo Weber ABOVE: My reason for coming to this site and starting this thread. In the beginning I recieved an immense amount of help regarding how to reach the old timers of skydiving.

I have read many different reports on types of parachutes that Cooper asked for but the only reliable information is in a book NORJAX by Ralph Himmelsback the agent in charge in 1971. There are many other books - such as the one that another FBI agent wrote claiming that when he killed McCoy that he killed Cooper. McCoy's widow sued that author and retired FBI agent and won - wonder why? - McCoy was no were near WA or OR at the time of the Cooper hijacking. If you read and reseach all of the articles and books out there and actually talk to people who were on that plane and involved in the search - as I have done you can then start to TRY to decipher the FICTION from the TRUTH. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Quote "I don't follow the part where he has a short life expectancy in 1971, yet lives to 1995? Did he really have kidney disease? Did dialysis work better than you say? Did he get a transplant?" Dear Make It Happen: In 1971 we knew little about kidney disease - the machines also were inadequate. They told him he might have 5 good yrs. In 1971 they had just started the reseach into the different kinds of kidney disease. Duane's disease was later classified as Polysistic Kidney Disease - a disease that will moves forward in stages depending on how you live your life. In 1977 when I met him he was still looking good, but he had an extend abdomen due to the over-load on the kidney that was functioning. He started to take better care of himself and I made sure he had a proper diet for this disease. Medications had been developed that help extend his inevitable ending. He also stopped drinking - and I think that was the most important thing that happened. I would like to think he changed for me - he walked away from a life of crime because he knew how I had been raised and what my standards were. If I had known during his life time that he had committed this crime, I would have been bound by my own code of ethics to turn him in. He knew me like a book. He once told me that he had never know a family like mine - Golden Wedding Anniversarys, Christmas Gatherings, Family Reunions. Obviously this is something he had wanted all of his life. I know I was captivated by him and I believe he would have given his life for me. In 1990 the disease had progressed to the point that dialysis was a must. He fought a long and hard battle and in 1995 he decided to cease diaylsis. When he did this death was eminent within a few days. The diaylsis had depleted his body to skin and bones ( very fragil bones). During that last yr. he suffered a fractured leg in Feb of 1994, a fractured shoulder and ribs in August and then he took the fall that defeated him - in Jan of 1995. This fall broke his left arm and several fingers (he was left handed)....I lost my job only 3 or 4 wks before he went into the hospital and I was our sole support. He had a small SS check, but i was the main bread winner those last yrs. This shell of the man I once knew decided the day I took him to the hospital that last time that he wanted to stop diaylsis and that he would die. He turned around as we left the house and said "By House"...I tried to tell him everything would be ok. After serveral days in the hospital he kept refusing diaylsis - he asked me if I would be all right with this. He had made his decision to cease diaylsis before we left the house. "He made this decision as fearlessly as he had made another decision on that night in 1971 - he was never one to back down." Only then did he tell he his secret." Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Okay Guys, The asking of the question about why they picked up Duane's DNA was to emphasize that even in 2003 they (the FBI) had NOT excluded Duane in so much as the articles of 1998 stated and a letter sent to me in 1998 from the FBI. This same agent is interviewed in 2001 on a TV program and he only recited what our research had shown - they had not disqualify him even then. Their statements of 1998 were hasty and meant to just get rid of me. ONLY, I didn't scare easily. I kept calling and calling and writing and providing new evidence that I had acquired from 2000 until the present. If they didn't get that DNA and I went public again - it would not look good for them. I can prove that the agent of record I was dealing with in 1998 told me they (the FBI) lost the cigarrette butts . I have been told since, he was in error. What is it - do they have the butts or not....if they have them why haven't they made the comparisons and if they loose things why don't they return the multiply items that I gave them? I was told they would return them in 6 months????? Duh it has been over 3 yrs going on 4. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am really sorry you started that thread. Those sites are old and full of misinformation. The site that you guote from in 1998 (in your thread) has only the very 1st photo I could acquire - it was distorted and not near the age he was when he made the jump. Statements made regarding that Duane had been eliminated was 1998 --- the FBI agent in 2000 went on national TV and took credit for information that Doug Pasternak of the US News and World Reports and I had found. This same agent had not even done a cursory background check on Duane - he repeated back to me what I had told him and claimed that Duane was never in Mc Neil and some of the other prisons. Well, I had the documentation in Black and White. That agent cooked his own goose that Thanksgiving. Why did the FBI ask for Duane Webers DNA in March of 2003?[/b Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Dear Sir: I really sorry you did this - as it takes away for the search I am trying to complete. You have taken from articles this and that - but the dates are not there. Such as that one picture which was all that I had acquired at that time - now there are others. It was in 1998 that the FBI made the statements in that article and the agent had not even checked Duane's background. He lied to me on the phone and took credit in 2001 on National TV for what Doug Pasternak with US New and I had discovered. I do not want to rehash the old stuff that is already there. I will take the leads I have been given by many of you wonderful people and hope they lead to the answers I need. I was looking for help - NOT to be exploited. As for deathbed confessions - the FBI claimed that there were others, but these have never been divulged in the FOIA or to the public and nothing was found that would remotely connect any of these individual to the 1971 skyjacking. Others that have made claims and that I have been able to talk to and to interview - you find them now and you interview them -- ALL of them have been ruled out and not one of them made a fuss about it. Why - because they didn't have anything to go on. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Guru313, you have been hitting at me since I got on the site, taking things I say and turning them around. I have experienced this before and choose NOT to participate in your game. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank you for your offer - I just don't have that kind of time to manage a web site. Just posting to this is diffcult. Takes me forever to get a photo posted. I have gone to many web sites about "D.B. Cooper" and what you find is crazy and mostly kids. I don't know how these things work and there are huge fees to pay that I could never afford. I did look into this at one time. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I do not have 40 ft of files - the FBI does I have been told and has been in news articles. My research is more than 8 ft long The FOIA - is a joke. Others who have requested and recieve these documents - there is nothing there. I have reason to believe these individuals and have seen most of it. I only have copies of very few things and the errors in what I reviewed did not encourage me to pay the fees required . One of the reasons only garbage will be made available is because the case is still open - some of the material is considered "sensitive" and "incriminating" and will never be available. Freedom of Information Act - they wiil not divulge names of others that they investigated, names of those who have called saying they know who Cooper is and the testimony of the witnesses as given to the FBI and the artist doing the composite. These are the things I need to see along with that precious hotel registration they claim they don't have or they just don't want to look for it . If they did have it I can assure you they would never want anyone to see it - it might mean that they missed the best clue they had been given. The agents recieving the registration told the night clerk not to handle it and he said they put it in a plastic bag - all I want is a copy to review so that I can see if Duane was one of the register guest that night (regardless of the name he used I would know his handwriting). Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber