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mod's your doing a absolutely rubbish jobs at keeping guess work, speculative junk, and sky gods bias and somewhat useless information out of the above forum. I have just spent 20 minutes going through endless trawl about the cypress fire or lack of, or total mal that happened 2 weeks ago. No conclusive statements Using speculative opinions garnered from guess work No Rigger or faa or uspa report No data from cypress and a bunch of "skydivers" bitching about the possibility of their beloved cypress not working. These forums have to be kept down to cold hard facts otherwise they are completely pointless, reading peoples "opinions" who have no idea on the equipment, how it actually works, why it did not work, how it could be made better, what the jumper could have done to save himself, what went wrong etc etc are completely irrelevant to anybody apart from stoking up there own ego's on how they know what’s best. Then badgering the guys son, who is probably doing all he can to keep it together (Jumping a week after the incident, rational behaviour?) is completely out of line. That and many incident reports have become a Complete Waste of time, all it serves is another bitching forum. I’m not tiered or drunk; I just see the only staple of DZ.com becoming another pointless attribute to this site.

bit out of touch in the skydiving world... Could some one pm me and tell me if you think this is a fair price Thanks 10/1997 Javelin J3 Container in orange and black - PD 190 Main - 78 Jumps - DOM 9/1997 in orange and black to match container PD 160 Reserve - 0 Jumps - DOM 9/1997 Cypres which life runs out 10/2009 RSL £900.00

I do agree with what your saying, I only say it as i have been diagnosed with all sorts of things as a kid, dyslexsia, ADD, turetts. etc etc I just can't spell, and write backwards, because i can't be arsed to learn, and can write backwards. I pay attention to the things i care about but nothing else, if i'm not engaged I turn my OWN brain off I like using the word Shag pile, in day to day use. Funny how fat people have now come up with a genetic code different from thin people.... Or just big boned, you could say... Get off your lazy fat ass and do something about it. ADD is another excuse for being a yank, half your country seems to suffer from it....

Ordered my rig from PDF back in August / september 07, I was promised 3 months than 6 months, than 9 months than 1 year, now its feb 26 09, Last week I told them to keep the Rig, I'll go else where, If I can't trust PDF on the ground, then there's no way I'm trusting them in the air. What else have you Forgotten. The worst supplier of anything I have never got... The lamest apology from any company.... Maybe PDF should stick to making Rigs for the armed forces, and stop pretending they give a rats ass about Sport skydivers

A mal, too. You're my hero. I've never been anyones hero b4.... Apart from those blind, wheelchair kids i pulled from the burning oil refinary.... As a slighty on post subject on my 28th jump or so, i was getting some fs coaching from a chap who's name i won't mention, I had got a bit of a telling off the day b4 due to an unintentional low pull,as i had read from the back of my newly aquired log book that quallified jumpers could / should pull at 2000 ft, (i did not think how qualified, i just saw qualifed, or me) So off me and the coach went, spinning around practicing bits and pieces, i have quite good depth perseption, and i'm thinking, shag i must be around 5000 ft or so , alti's reading 6500 so i continue with my turns, look back at my instructor, who waves at me with one hand and buggers off. Now i'm thinking "cool" a bit of added tracking practice , i guess i should follow him, so off i go, 8 m's behind him following him for a good 6 -7 seconds, he then stops turns around to see my grinning face giving him the double thumbs up,(i'm thinking he must be very proud of me right now) now if my broken alti had been working it would have told me we were at 2500 ft rather than at 4500. but no ammount of waving or giving my the finger would encourage me to pull, at 1800f ft i decided the ants had started to look to much like people, tracked for a second and dumped my pilot chute, had a cool 1100 ft canopy ride to terra firma. (his hard deck beeper had gone off as i was about to pull) What i learnt that day about pulling low.... Don't roll the nose of your canopy, it could save your life. Rap students love a hero. When your in trouble with the cci, blame your equipment, or concuct a story with your fs coach. Buy beer when you do somthing stupid, its amazing how many other people have beenstupid nce a beers inside them at the DZ Check your equipment on the way up not just on the way down... Stay safe munchkins

50 % of the time just above 1500 ft.... but it depends if i have my aad on or not. having a cypress fire would just be plain stupid

Do wind tunnels hurt skydiving by giving people a pseudo-skydiving less scary experience? ______________________________________________- Yes it does hurt the sport, becasue rather then getting loads up in the air, teams and solo's are in the tunnels getting a blow job..... tunnels a great tool, but lets use them when the weather is shite rather then on a perfect jumping day On another note had i gone to a tandem factory and met one of the skygod tm assholes, of which there are a lot, i would never had jumped again. The best DZ's out there offer a mix of tandems and funjumpers, with a jump priority on those who make an effot to jump in all weather and be part and make the community at that dz.

As i posted, i was not calling you a twat taxiway, but the context was that downwinders should be under the right conditions and with everyones knowledge, if it is not practical to go downwind due to numbers of canopys out there or due to people following your landing patern, then People (unlike you who lets everyone know what your up to) need to be told in advance. There are quite a few posts under landing priorites out on dz.com at the momment. In my book, have a plan, make sure everyones on the same page, then falling disaster stick to it.

You're quite right, your attitude does. Downwinders and crosswinders, on the other hand, when done in planned, and safe fashion, don't. "Land into the wind at all costs" mentality has killed a number of people over the years. I really wish people would read through the last 10 years worth of incident reports. There's a lot to learn there. Blues, Ian ian, Its not the landing into wind, these guys died due to target fixation, which in turn has lead to loss of alti awareness. Landing into wind will not kill you, fixating on a target with 1000 ft of altiude and still not being on your downwind leg however leads you into the senario of landing during a hard turn. The fall circle comes back to confidence under canopy and how is your ability to read your height, fwd speed, decent rate, dz knowledge, outs etc.... Experiacnce does certainly help but working under pressure is key to this.

Taxiway, by no means is this a dig at you personaly,.... but it comes in with a bug bare of mine Why are people taking downwinders or cross winders so often, i know that there are no jump masters in america, but ffs do people not shout out what the fuck there doing b4 there on the plane, i understand if your number 49 in a load of 50 that problems do arise.. but jeez when did landing consistently into wind become such a problem?????? I have only landed cross winders or downwinders when i have predeclared them to the rest of the people on the load, during these times i have either jumped first or last so i dont mess up the other 14 others on my load?? ( depending on styles going out of the plane, flat, sit, head down, what ever) Is it ignorance or just shit poor training in the us of a, Thers no excuse for it, no reason why (unless training or under your reserve) that this should happen... I could not give a toss what anyone says about my opinion on this, its just bad jump managment in my book and gets people killed or in hospital..

I guess you had to be there....... I had a great time, met some cool people jumped with some awsome guys and girls, and got a cool bit of vid. Each to there own i guess.....

Two of the best and most ilustrative posts i have read on Dz.com, thanks for your time guys, They kind of remind me of the how i used to remember surfing when i started 23 years or so ago... As grommits you were treated like shit, regardless of your skill level, Age was a factor, but attitude was key, you had to be the embodyment of the community to get a look in, out on the break you were dropped in on and kicked around, yet you knew, (maybe in the back of your mind), if you kept on going out regarless of the conditions, both surf or through weather, and wetting your hair you would get into the fold, it took me 5 years maybe more, before i was looked on as a surfer, Don't get me wrong the guys out there would watch you if you got out of your depth, and drag you back to the beach if you were in the shit, but made you feel an inch high whilst doing so. Saying that, if you went out when the big boys stayed on the shore in bigger stuff, you would get a begruding respect from them, the younger you are the less fear you have, and the more faith in your abbilitys you have. If you don't have doubts in your abbility the pressure stays off and you perform better, some might say that experiance tells in the end, but i think fear also creeps into the mind of the more experianced guys, making them more cautious when participatiaing or when seeing others participate in these "dangerous sports" If i'm ever in your area Nick or airtwado, it would be great and a privalidge to jump with you, i'll even get your zimmer frames for you when we land

The Same could be said about most sports..... snowboarding, skiing, surfing, skating, motorbikes, climbing, cycling the list continues all of which can be dangerous, but performed correctly are not in themselves the problem or reason for deaths / injuries, 99.9% of the time it comes down to human eroor, be it yours or somone elses. I fell over on jump number 126 due to "turbulance" , but plf'd and commando rolled my way to glory. And on jump 92 I misjudjed the wind and was heading for a ditch, i had to flare slightly slower then normal to make it over. I have also been lucky in not seing anyone injured whilst jumping on just hanging around, my attitude may change on that day. However you buy your ticket and take your chance. BTW I would never take a picture for my avatar with my camera, which could fall out my hand and go through someones head, now that i would say is a danger, and could give a dz let alone the sport a black eye..

Sucking out of a straw does suck, on the bright size they'll drop a dress size....

that was funny, This sport is not dangerous, the people who say it is are just pissed off becasue there rock star persona never took off. 40 jumpers die out of a million skydives, i'll take those odds. Now back in the day, when you old boys were using rounds, and hand deploying your reserves, that takes some bottle, and my hat is off to all of you. "if it does not inflate pull it back in and throw it again" Now that is rock and roll ------------------------------------------------------- And the video is funny, seriously, at what point did he think comming over the bands head was a good idea.. Natural selection at work... if he can't land safely, and if the people can't run away in time, the gene pool gets stronger.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XDATCyjJCi0 Just a little ditty the editing guys released for everyone involved, It was an awful lot of fun, big thanks to the guys involved you did good. Base version to follow soon...

Would this be counted as a black eye.... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080718/video/vwl-oh-chute-15af341.html or just somthing really funny??? "I've got thousands of jumps landing in tight spots" The wind took me... cough cough bull shit..

I'm very confused, are you saying a skyhook will not increase the speed the canopy will deploy and open? Time to speak to a rigger in more detail i think, thanks

Quote I am not sure what you were thinking, but I have always been curious what motivates newer jumpers to buy a system with a considerably smaller reserve than their main. Can you help me out? Quote I'll give you my reasons and take from it what u will. I Intend to be in this sport for the next 10 maybe 12 years, so i looked at a rig which i could use for all of that time, not one i may have to change every couple of years or every 500 jumps. so to awnser your first question it comes down to.... Money, kit knowledge, downsizability, and looking cool. The canopy is actually a 155 (my bad) so 15 ft smaller than my first choice of reserve canopy size, (pending on currency) bearing in mind i have been flying a 170 in the right conditions What i find funny is some peoples out there use the same size canopy regardless of conditions and currency, myself i will hire a bigger rig for a jump if i'm uncurrent and than downsize throughout the day, if i'm nailing my landings. I have never seen anyone else do that??? why is that?

A main canopy is desinged and built to open slow. Have you seen the size of the slider on an x-braced canopy? They're huge. No i have not seen one, i have not been under one, are you sugesting i down size further? or that i start spending more time in rigging rooms? or what? i'm missing your point A reserve is desinged to open in 300 ft or less. The slider is F-111, and has a huge hole cut in it. I know about the hole, but did not think that the slider was the only reason for it opening so quickly, I was under the imprssion that it was due to the pack job, and the spring loaded pilot chute!! in todays age though, it opens quicker due to a rsl or skyhook. but that is todays gear not gear 14 years ago. when you were still jumping rounds.. :) for which btw i salute you, the only round i'd jump is off a bridge over water.... How little you seem to know is amazing. I am amazing, thanks :P

I still have a 5 month wait for the rig to get here, my jump numbers, english weather being what it is should be up to the 400 mark by that point... maybe a few more if i can squeeze in the trip to deland again.... Thanks again for all the advice, i'll have another chat with the girls and boys at the dz, and get there take on things.

The problem i have is pdf can only put out a 150 reserve for my 170 main (rather than a 170 or a 190 reserve Which would have been my prefered choice) why this is i don't know, so i have made the choice.. be it a bad one or not... So i am going to get back in training again and lower my weight down to 215, and put a lot of time into canopy control on a smaller canopy. Thanks again for all the informed advice

Martini?? Is that mark?? You know my name .. so i'm guessing you know me a little at least? MOre informative q then anything else.... i'm curous about speed and wingloading as you are well aware that i will do what i think is good for me / bad in others eyes... now if you came back to me and said that it's fucked up to come in on a 1.8 wl regarless of jump no's than i would step back a littlle and upsize on my R due to this that or the other,... and realvltuiate my reserve choice.... Thats my q on this, you know i look at risk and work my opinion out on it all... which is why i'm a badasss and your not...... my q is will a reserve work( The reserve that i'm getting) in high speed and at my wl, or not... Thats my only q>>> chances / risk invoved thanks again........ Martini your lovley xx -

Jp & phreeone, thanks for the info on this, I apriciate both the advice on the reserves and the techincal info on it all, i've done a search on blow outs on reserves, and i guess a lot of it comes down to the maintaining of your equipemnet and pre drop checks that you take.. esp when free flying.. any more advice would be aprriciated espes from those anvil guys who are maxing out there weight and expericnaces on higher wl on there reserves than mains, an how this has effected there choices thanks again pn diablo, if you could always help out with advice like you have given... i may even buy you a beer one day... v much apriciated :)

Yeahh i know i was in for a bit of bashing i'll wait an see if i get some constructive advice about what i have comming to me!!!!! I have some imput from those around me, but it's always worth getting some DZ advice about it all as well, if a lot of you guys said somthing on the lines as it will kill you no doubt then i would either stop eating burgers or chose somthing else canopy wise in the 150 mark.... I have a good plan with experiance b4 recieving the canopy, and as some of you know i have a different thought process about skydiving than some of you.. but as i said i just really want to concentrate on wing loading Vs safety from a blow out point of view or a .. you know what crash if your freeflying and your reserve pops, its going to blow up and you'll be fucked!!!! Remember.. i'm a skygod!!!! When i say god i mean.. jesus type of guy